Sway-Bar Quick Disconnects

Erich_870 · 04-03-2003, 10:32 PM

Another newbe here.... Anyway, I was reading the tech articals and came across the Sway-bar Quick Disconnects. When you use this style below, do you just pull the cotter pin out and it is free to slide up and down or do you take the the pin and the top nut off and slip the bar off the bolt? Just confused how free it has to be. Thanks.

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Firefyter-Emt · 04-03-2003, 10:43 PM

You only need to loosen the nut enough to be able to pull the pin..

PS, here is my design..

Once tested and I am satisfied with them, I will be offering these for sale.. I have had a few people who want them..

The design is very easy to make and if you want a couple tips, let me know..

Erich_870 · 04-03-2003, 10:46 PM

Ok, so by pulling the pin I let the sway bar slide up and down as it chooses? I think I like your design MUCH better, having all those exposed threads is NOT good for the eye. Thanks!!

Robinhood150 · 04-03-2003, 10:46 PM

Yup, just pull the pin. When one tire is fully stuffed and the other is extended the sway bar will touch the top nut of the extended side and the bottom nut of the stuffed side. But the stock height bumpstops are touching too, so the sway bar is not limiting the articulation.

Steve

L33T35T 4Runner · 04-03-2003, 10:48 PM

how much can these be had for a second gen?

Erich_870 · 04-03-2003, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Firefyter-Emt
You only need to loosen the nut enough to be able to pull the pin..

PS, here is my design..

Once tested and I am satisfied with them, I will be offering these for sale.. I have had a few people who want them..

The design is very easy to make and if you want a couple tips, let me know..

How do you get that "collar" on the bolt right above the bushing? It looks to me in the picture that there are no threads there?

Firefyter-Emt · 04-03-2003, 10:52 PM

Wow Steve.. There really is that much wrap in the swaybar? I didn't think it would go to that extent .. I kinda wish I had done the low profile bump stops after I put on the disco's..

Well I have one control arm ready to go back in, and tomorow the next side will be ready.. So the whole thing goes back togather Saturday.. Gonna be sweet, Poly bushings, sway bar discos, low profile bump stops.. shocks that are really doing something.. (I guess the 100k + was a little too much.. There was no life left in them at all.. So then I need to find myself a nice loading dock to ramp it on and see what I get with it..

They could FALL in and out by fliping the shock..

Firefyter-Emt · 04-03-2003, 10:59 PM

No threads, it is a lock collar, It uses a allen set screw that has a hole dimpled into the bolt to keep the bushings compressed.. It so far seems like a very good hold and I do not think it can move if it wanted to with the dimple in the bolt shaft (I will also locktight them) As for compressing them, I have a pipe I use (it is really a center section from a diffrent style sway bar) I have measured so that they line up the same height as stock when connected.

As for cost.. all the other designs I have seen out there run about $80.. I plan on selling them for $50 or less depending on how the parts prices fall into place. (I scrounged my parts off e-bay, and I can not count on always getting buy's like I did..)

Once again, if anyone is intrested in a set after I have tested them out, drop me an e-mail and I will keep you updated as to the test, with photos and final pricing.. (I have 5 people now..)

Erich_870 · 04-03-2003, 11:03 PM

Lock collar, great idea. Thats what I thought it looked like.

Firefyter-Emt · 04-03-2003, 11:11 PM

PS, note the hardend washer above the pin.. I bent the pin at first when I tightened it... The washer stops this (within reason) Also, you will need to torque the lock collar down on the bushunds and measure how much bolt is left, the remove it from the control arm to get the proper tension on the bushings.

Robinhood150 · 04-03-2003, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Firefyter-Emt
Wow Steve.. There really is that much wrap in the swaybar? I didn't think it would go to that extent ..

Yup. I need to get shorter bumpstops.

ravencr · 09-05-2003, 12:13 PM

Has anyone tried that same idea for the rear swaybar? Seems like it would work great!

Chris

Firefyter-Emt · 09-08-2003, 12:43 PM

Ya mean like this??

Yep.. They work nice too!

ravencr · 09-08-2003, 12:48 PM

Yep! That's awesome! That's pretty close to what I was looking to do myself, but depending how much I can get a setup from you, I may reconsider. Do you make them for 3rd generations? Your picture looks to be the same as my 1997.

When it's connected, is it somehwere in the center of that bolt or is all the way at the bottom. The reason I ask is that I was thinking about making it secure somehere in the center so it has enough movement both upwards and downward when either being stuffed or fully drooped. Make sense? Let me know!

Chris

ravencr · 09-08-2003, 12:50 PM

For some reason I didn't see the bottom picture. Ok, now I see! Does it rattle at all, and is there enough rotation when it's connected? I hope my other comments made sense?

Chris

Firefyter-Emt · 09-08-2003, 01:02 PM

I have not had plans to make them for third gen trucks because I don't have one..

As for the other questions.. Yes, they have plenty of movement.. When one side is dropped, the other side will push up.. even in full flex, there is still some left. If you let any more hang it will bend. I have wheeled these damn hard twice this year... (and a couple other normal runs) But they have also been tested at Paragon on their "hardcore" Blue trails (2's and 3's) I have also driven them highway towing my camper to the North Carolina boarder and back They do not rattle and I have never had one loosen with the nylon nuts.. (I did have a rod end fall off before they got nylon nuts though..) All my new ones have all nylon nuts I love them, they are simple, quite and work just the way they should. I did have 1 rod end break on someone though.. I don't know how or why or even if it was a defective rod end, but ask here and he will tell you that I did prompty send a new one with nuts free of charge next day..

ravencr · 09-08-2003, 07:53 PM

I just sent you an email!

Chris

joshik · 09-25-2003, 11:51 AM

how much more articulation does one get with the discos? i have a 91 p/u.

ravencr · 09-25-2003, 11:56 AM

Well, on a 3rd generation the stock rear swaybar supposably will not limit your articulation, but it will work against it, of course. IT will bend before it limits your travel. If you're running an aftermarket addco swaybar or any other thicker swaybar, then the difference is huge.

I just installed a set of Lee's discos on my 3rd generation, and after we discuss and fix a few little things, he'll be selling them for the 3rd gen's too. I currently am tesint them with the addco swaybar in the rear, which will be a true test for how much more travel is provided, and if the combination of the discos and addco will travel as much as with the stock swaybar. We'll see what we find out soon. Stay tuned 3rd gen owners!

Chris

joshik · 09-25-2003, 12:03 PM

cool. how about for the front ifs? does it help that much?

ravencr · 09-25-2003, 12:15 PM

If you wheel a lot, you need to invest in front discos and if you have an aftermarket rear swaybar you need to buy the ones from Lee, because in the rear you can't completely disconnect them, because the swaybar will get lodged in between the gas tank and lower control arm. The design has to be Lee's for the rear.

In my opinion, it's better to even have Lee's design with a stock rear swaybar, because it's that much less tension on rear axle, so full stuff's and droops are more easily achieved, and there's no risk for bending the stock rear swaybar which will happen.

Chris

joshik · 09-25-2003, 12:19 PM

cool. nwor sells them for my truck for about $82 for the front. i dont need rear coz the p/u didnt come sway bars.

thanks!

ravencr · 09-25-2003, 12:21 PM

Check Lee's before you spend almost double what his cost. I beleive his www is on this thread somewhere just above us.

Chris

Jonathan · 09-25-2003, 12:24 PM

Lee,
When you get the ones for the 3rd Gen please let me know, I really like your design and have been looking for some reliable disco's for a while and have come up empty. Thanks a lot.

Jonathan

hillbilly · 09-25-2003, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jonathan
Lee,
When you get the ones for the 3rd Gen please let me know, I really like your design and have been looking for some reliable disco's for a while and have come up empty. Thanks a lot.

Jonathan

Amen. Me too please!!

04-03-2003, 10:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
Firefyter-Emt Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Connecticut Posts: 972	You only need to loosen the nut enough to be able to pull the pin.. PS, here is my design.. Once tested and I am satisfied with them, I will be offering these for sale.. I have had a few people who want them.. The design is very easy to make and if you want a couple tips, let me know.. __________________ Lee's Toyota 4Runner Yankee Toys - TLCA Delegate 2nd Gen. Sway Bar disconnects for sale..

04-03-2003, 10:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
Erich_870 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Juneau, AK Posts: 973	Ok, so by pulling the pin I let the sway bar slide up and down as it chooses? I think I like your design MUCH better, having all those exposed threads is NOT good for the eye. Thanks!! __________________ 99' Black Highlander 4runner / Garage Profile Black powder coated 8x16 Wheeler Off-Road allow wheels / Husky floor liners / Thule MOAB rack / Custom Sub Enclosure / Back-up lights "I don't high-light my hair, I've still got a pair, yeah honey, I'm still a guy. My eye brows aint plucked, there's a gun in my truck, Oh thank GOD, I'm still a guy!" Brad Paisley

04-03-2003, 10:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
Robinhood150 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wandering around Phoenix Posts: 6,043	Yup, just pull the pin. When one tire is fully stuffed and the other is extended the sway bar will touch the top nut of the extended side and the bottom nut of the stuffed side. But the stock height bumpstops are touching too, so the sway bar is not limiting the articulation. Steve __________________ Steve. '93 4Runner V6 Auto 4x4 Robinhood's Lair. \|\| Gettin' Off 4wd Club member Lots for sale:5.29 ARB IFS third member... Click Sierra Club policy: [A reason to close trails] ...Physical soil damage, often readily visible, resulting in: a. Erosion, causing soil loss and damage to stream banks, streams, and fish habitat... Lesson...Stay on the TRAIL!

04-03-2003, 10:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
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04-03-2003, 10:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
Firefyter-Emt Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Connecticut Posts: 972	Wow Steve.. There really is that much wrap in the swaybar? I didn't think it would go to that extent .. I kinda wish I had done the low profile bump stops after I put on the disco's.. Well I have one control arm ready to go back in, and tomorow the next side will be ready.. So the whole thing goes back togather Saturday.. Gonna be sweet, Poly bushings, sway bar discos, low profile bump stops.. shocks that are really doing something.. (I guess the 100k + was a little too much.. There was no life left in them at all.. So then I need to find myself a nice loading dock to ramp it on and see what I get with it.. They could FALL in and out by fliping the shock.. __________________ Lee's Toyota 4Runner Yankee Toys - TLCA Delegate 2nd Gen. Sway Bar disconnects for sale..

04-03-2003, 10:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
Firefyter-Emt Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Connecticut Posts: 972	No threads, it is a lock collar, It uses a allen set screw that has a hole dimpled into the bolt to keep the bushings compressed.. It so far seems like a very good hold and I do not think it can move if it wanted to with the dimple in the bolt shaft (I will also locktight them) As for compressing them, I have a pipe I use (it is really a center section from a diffrent style sway bar) I have measured so that they line up the same height as stock when connected. As for cost.. all the other designs I have seen out there run about $80.. I plan on selling them for $50 or less depending on how the parts prices fall into place. (I scrounged my parts off e-bay, and I can not count on always getting buy's like I did..) Once again, if anyone is intrested in a set after I have tested them out, drop me an e-mail and I will keep you updated as to the test, with photos and final pricing.. (I have 5 people now..) __________________ Lee's Toyota 4Runner Yankee Toys - TLCA Delegate 2nd Gen. Sway Bar disconnects for sale..

04-03-2003, 11:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
Erich_870 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Juneau, AK Posts: 973	Lock collar, great idea. Thats what I thought it looked like. __________________ 99' Black Highlander 4runner / Garage Profile Black powder coated 8x16 Wheeler Off-Road allow wheels / Husky floor liners / Thule MOAB rack / Custom Sub Enclosure / Back-up lights "I don't high-light my hair, I've still got a pair, yeah honey, I'm still a guy. My eye brows aint plucked, there's a gun in my truck, Oh thank GOD, I'm still a guy!" Brad Paisley

04-03-2003, 11:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
Firefyter-Emt Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Connecticut Posts: 972	PS, note the hardend washer above the pin.. I bent the pin at first when I tightened it... The washer stops this (within reason) Also, you will need to torque the lock collar down on the bushunds and measure how much bolt is left, the remove it from the control arm to get the proper tension on the bushings. __________________ Lee's Toyota 4Runner Yankee Toys - TLCA Delegate 2nd Gen. Sway Bar disconnects for sale..

09-05-2003, 12:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
ravencr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Severance, CO Posts: 4,728	Has anyone tried that same idea for the rear swaybar? Seems like it would work great! Chris __________________ http://www.utvrally.com http://www.utvevents.com http://www.cartwheelin.com

09-08-2003, 12:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
Firefyter-Emt Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Connecticut Posts: 972	Ya mean like this?? Yep.. They work nice too! __________________ Lee's Toyota 4Runner Yankee Toys - TLCA Delegate 2nd Gen. Sway Bar disconnects for sale.. Last edited by Firefyter-Emt; 09-08-2003 at 12:45 PM.

09-08-2003, 12:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
ravencr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Severance, CO Posts: 4,728	Yep! That's awesome! That's pretty close to what I was looking to do myself, but depending how much I can get a setup from you, I may reconsider. Do you make them for 3rd generations? Your picture looks to be the same as my 1997. When it's connected, is it somehwere in the center of that bolt or is all the way at the bottom. The reason I ask is that I was thinking about making it secure somehere in the center so it has enough movement both upwards and downward when either being stuffed or fully drooped. Make sense? Let me know! Chris __________________ http://www.utvrally.com http://www.utvevents.com http://www.cartwheelin.com

09-08-2003, 12:50 PM	#15 (permalink)
ravencr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Severance, CO Posts: 4,728	For some reason I didn't see the bottom picture. Ok, now I see! Does it rattle at all, and is there enough rotation when it's connected? I hope my other comments made sense? Chris __________________ http://www.utvrally.com http://www.utvevents.com http://www.cartwheelin.com

09-08-2003, 01:02 PM	#16 (permalink)
Firefyter-Emt Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Connecticut Posts: 972	I have not had plans to make them for third gen trucks because I don't have one.. As for the other questions.. Yes, they have plenty of movement.. When one side is dropped, the other side will push up.. even in full flex, there is still some left. If you let any more hang it will bend. I have wheeled these damn hard twice this year... (and a couple other normal runs) But they have also been tested at Paragon on their "hardcore" Blue trails (2's and 3's) I have also driven them highway towing my camper to the North Carolina boarder and back They do not rattle and I have never had one loosen with the nylon nuts.. (I did have a rod end fall off before they got nylon nuts though..) All my new ones have all nylon nuts I love them, they are simple, quite and work just the way they should. I did have 1 rod end break on someone though.. I don't know how or why or even if it was a defective rod end, but ask here and he will tell you that I did prompty send a new one with nuts free of charge next day.. __________________ Lee's Toyota 4Runner Yankee Toys - TLCA Delegate 2nd Gen. Sway Bar disconnects for sale..

09-08-2003, 07:53 PM	#17 (permalink)
ravencr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Severance, CO Posts: 4,728	I just sent you an email! Chris __________________ http://www.utvrally.com http://www.utvevents.com http://www.cartwheelin.com

09-25-2003, 11:51 AM	#18 (permalink)
joshik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: bellflower Posts: 911	how much more articulation does one get with the discos? i have a 91 p/u. __________________ 2003 4Runner Limited 4wd V8. Bone stock except for the Nitto All Terrains. My Rig 91 Ext Cab 4x4 Yota, black with 4" front IFS trailmaster lift, 3" Downey rear springs, Downey Rubicon extended shackles, and 2" body lift. 35" BFG M/T w/ 4.56. Centerforce II clutch, Rancho 5000s all around and Rancho traction bar, K&N Air filter, Flowmaster, ARB Rear Diff Air Locker, Custom "Mad Eyes" light covers, Extended Diff Breathers, Hella Vision Plus Headlights. My Rig

09-25-2003, 11:56 AM	#19 (permalink)
ravencr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Severance, CO Posts: 4,728	Well, on a 3rd generation the stock rear swaybar supposably will not limit your articulation, but it will work against it, of course. IT will bend before it limits your travel. If you're running an aftermarket addco swaybar or any other thicker swaybar, then the difference is huge. I just installed a set of Lee's discos on my 3rd generation, and after we discuss and fix a few little things, he'll be selling them for the 3rd gen's too. I currently am tesint them with the addco swaybar in the rear, which will be a true test for how much more travel is provided, and if the combination of the discos and addco will travel as much as with the stock swaybar. We'll see what we find out soon. Stay tuned 3rd gen owners! Chris __________________ http://www.utvrally.com http://www.utvevents.com http://www.cartwheelin.com

09-25-2003, 12:03 PM	#20 (permalink)
joshik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: bellflower Posts: 911	cool. how about for the front ifs? does it help that much? __________________ 2003 4Runner Limited 4wd V8. Bone stock except for the Nitto All Terrains. My Rig 91 Ext Cab 4x4 Yota, black with 4" front IFS trailmaster lift, 3" Downey rear springs, Downey Rubicon extended shackles, and 2" body lift. 35" BFG M/T w/ 4.56. Centerforce II clutch, Rancho 5000s all around and Rancho traction bar, K&N Air filter, Flowmaster, ARB Rear Diff Air Locker, Custom "Mad Eyes" light covers, Extended Diff Breathers, Hella Vision Plus Headlights. My Rig

09-25-2003, 12:15 PM	#21 (permalink)
ravencr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Severance, CO Posts: 4,728	If you wheel a lot, you need to invest in front discos and if you have an aftermarket rear swaybar you need to buy the ones from Lee, because in the rear you can't completely disconnect them, because the swaybar will get lodged in between the gas tank and lower control arm. The design has to be Lee's for the rear. In my opinion, it's better to even have Lee's design with a stock rear swaybar, because it's that much less tension on rear axle, so full stuff's and droops are more easily achieved, and there's no risk for bending the stock rear swaybar which will happen. Chris __________________ http://www.utvrally.com http://www.utvevents.com http://www.cartwheelin.com

09-25-2003, 12:19 PM	#22 (permalink)
joshik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: bellflower Posts: 911	cool. nwor sells them for my truck for about $82 for the front. i dont need rear coz the p/u didnt come sway bars. thanks! __________________ 2003 4Runner Limited 4wd V8. Bone stock except for the Nitto All Terrains. My Rig 91 Ext Cab 4x4 Yota, black with 4" front IFS trailmaster lift, 3" Downey rear springs, Downey Rubicon extended shackles, and 2" body lift. 35" BFG M/T w/ 4.56. Centerforce II clutch, Rancho 5000s all around and Rancho traction bar, K&N Air filter, Flowmaster, ARB Rear Diff Air Locker, Custom "Mad Eyes" light covers, Extended Diff Breathers, Hella Vision Plus Headlights. My Rig

09-25-2003, 12:21 PM	#23 (permalink)
ravencr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Severance, CO Posts: 4,728	Check Lee's before you spend almost double what his cost. I beleive his www is on this thread somewhere just above us. Chris __________________ http://www.utvrally.com http://www.utvevents.com http://www.cartwheelin.com

09-25-2003, 12:24 PM	#24 (permalink)
Jonathan Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greenville, South Carolina Posts: 1,743	Lee, When you get the ones for the 3rd Gen please let me know, I really like your design and have been looking for some reliable disco's for a while and have come up empty. Thanks a lot. Jonathan __________________ 1996 Black 4Runner V6 5 speed 4X4\| Retrofitted E-Locker\| SAW's\| LC coils and Doetschtech shocks\| ATS arms \| 285 Goodyear MTR's\|TJM T-15 With Warn M8000\|Retrofitted Toyota Hood Scoop\| Stubbs Sliders\|Bushwacker Extend-A-Fender Flares\| Extended rear diff breather\| Uniden 510XL CB w/ 4 Ft. Firestik II Antenna\|Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler\|Black headlights and corners\| More to come... 2007 VW GTI 6 Speed

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