lc engineering header?

wifesaysimadumbass · 08-17-2004, 07:39 PM

well i think my old manifold finally cracked so im thinking of upgrading to an lc engineering header and having a 2 1/4" exhaust fabbed up. does anyone have any horror stories regarding these headers or is there a better company than lc that makes headers? this will be going on a 85 toyota 4runner with a 22re. i dont want too big of exhaust because i dont want to lose torque this truck is primarily used for trail use, and i definately dont want it to sound like a big block as i drive it to and from trails. i would definately appreciate opinions thanks

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jimbo74 · 08-17-2004, 07:57 PM

lc is a great company, might want to check oout downey as well, have heard they are also very good

Tacoma Dude · 08-17-2004, 09:23 PM

I searched this out on Pirate and the majority of the people there were recommending either LC Engineering or Thorley. I placed an order for my LC headers just yesterday - they should be on their way

Biggest complaint I ran into was leaky gaskets. Someone mentioned double gasketing while another mentioned a copper gasket. I ordered an extra gasket so we'll see how that goes

seaflea · 08-18-2004, 03:56 AM

I've got one on my 22re. Its been on for 5 yr\ears and is just starting to show a bit of wear. The ceramic coating is beginning to rust a bit on the underside, (understandable since I live on a beach) . I think I was one that was talking about double gasketing it. I did that right at the start and have had no leaks at all since. I think its definatley worth it

FSRBIKER · 08-18-2004, 08:09 AM

I'm going to buy the Thorley from Rocky Road http://www.rocky-road.com/thorley.html

How much are the LC Headers BTW?

Also a 2.25" exhaust would work better for a 22RE

AzStorm · 08-18-2004, 09:12 AM

Ive been using the LCE header and 2.25 exhaust,cat and muffler for about 3000 miles now without any problems.If the gasket is installed properly and time is taken to clean the mounting surface as needed you wont experiance any leaks.

I was impressed with the power gain and doubly suprised at how quiet this entire system is.I didnt want a loud exhaust and this set up has really impressed me.

The old system (which is now for sale with other stuff,see the classifieds) came off in about 20 minutes.The header was very easy to install and a perfect fit.I had the whole project done inside of an hour and a half.Everything bolted up in the factory location without any modification and without skinned knuckles and swearing.

Highland Runner · 08-18-2004, 05:11 PM

I had an LC Engineering header on the 93 I used to own. It had the ceramic coating and had NO rust or discoloration after being on for three years. It looked like the pictures above. I don't think anyone makes a better header.

wifesaysimadumbass · 08-18-2004, 08:18 PM

man i knew i could count on my yotatech buddies for opinions thanks guys. i have yet to breakdown the old manifold but i definately have a leak and it's not coming from where the pipe connects to the manifold. i'm kind of broke right now so i dont think i can afford to buy the system. i might just see if maybe the gasket blew and i can just replace that i hope i hope thanks again guys

AKennedy87 · 08-18-2004, 09:57 PM

Check to make sure all the bolts and studs are down tight. I lost a stud and for about a week sounded like a motercycle. I got the stud and nut from toyota for like 4.50 and it worked like a charm. Check it out before you spend any more money.

FSRBIKER · 08-19-2004, 06:59 AM

Maybe one of the guys that now has a header could sell you their exhaust manifold for a few bucks if you need one? I won't be getting my header until my birthday in September.

seaflea · 08-19-2004, 07:02 AM

I think my old manifold is still around. If you want it, just pay the shipping and its yours. Let me know.

AKennedy87 · 08-19-2004, 07:08 AM

I have my carb header but it doesnt have the o2 sensor spot, covered up by a plate. I am sure you could use it and just drill a hole for it. Its yours if you pay shipping.

halibut · 08-19-2004, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKennedy87

I have my carb header but it doesnt have the o2 sensor spot, covered up by a plate. I am sure you could use it and just drill a hole for it. Its yours if you pay shipping.

If you still have and the offer is still good need header for 86 carb 4x4 let me know how much thanks jose

kevin444 · 08-19-2004, 03:17 PM

sooon i should have the 3rzfe headers in my possession soon! drool

myota · 08-19-2004, 05:44 PM

what is the copper piece above the header, and what is the best way to remove it?

i just replaced the gaskets on my 22r and had it was the biggest pita to get whatever the hell that thing is off

we had to do a whole lot of prying

AzStorm · 08-19-2004, 07:03 PM

I believe that is part of the emmisions crap.It came right off with the manifold but I had no way to plug the holes where it was so i re installed it.

This header/exhaust was the easiest piece of cake to install and it made a big difference in performance.Im still making changes but anticipate checking fuel mileage in the next week or so.
I was getting 14mpg

but then again,I drive like a maniac sometimes!

CynicX · 08-19-2004, 07:25 PM

i notice you mentioned torque loss with a bigger exhaust....for what its worth when i had a wrx a buddy of mine already had one i went with a 2.5" exhaust and he had 3", full turboback no cats....we had almost exactly the same mods and on a dyno he ran about 3-4 extra ft lbs of torque and hp everytime.....just my experience....

wifesaysimadumbass · 08-19-2004, 10:31 PM

update: after pulling the pipe off it appears that a stud had snapped. i pulled the stud and got a new one in there with new donut gaskets i sound good again. thanks for all the offers of help. looks like i wont be getting my header for awhile longer.

AKennedy87 · 08-19-2004, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CynicX

i notice you mentioned torque loss with a bigger exhaust....for what its worth when i had a wrx a buddy of mine already had one i went with a 2.5" exhaust and he had 3", full turboback no cats....we had almost exactly the same mods and on a dyno he ran about 3-4 extra ft lbs of torque and hp everytime.....just my experience....

Backpressure

AKennedy87 · 08-19-2004, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halibut

If you still have and the offer is still good need header for 86 carb 4x4 let me know how much thanks jose

I think shipping would be around $18-$20 for ground. It would arrive by late august if shipped soon.

yodatrux · 08-21-2004, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKennedy87

Check to make sure all the bolts and studs are down tight. I lost a stud and for about a week sounded like a motercycle. I got the stud and nut from toyota for like 4.50 and it worked like a charm. Check it out before you spend any more money.

Yup same thing happened to me. Take the heat sheild off and make sure all the studs are there. I think this quite a common problem for some reason.

08-17-2004, 09:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tacoma Dude Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,360	I searched this out on Pirate and the majority of the people there were recommending either LC Engineering or Thorley. I placed an order for my LC headers just yesterday - they should be on their way Biggest complaint I ran into was leaky gaskets. Someone mentioned double gasketing while another mentioned a copper gasket. I ordered an extra gasket so we'll see how that goes __________________ Peter! 2002 Tacoma 1986 4Runner

08-18-2004, 03:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
seaflea Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: wilmington nc Posts: 1,602	I've got one on my 22re. Its been on for 5 yr\ears and is just starting to show a bit of wear. The ceramic coating is beginning to rust a bit on the underside, (understandable since I live on a beach) . I think I was one that was talking about double gasketing it. I did that right at the start and have had no leaks at all since. I think its definatley worth it __________________ Will WabFab Off-Road, LLC Toyota 4x4 Parts and Custom Fabrication updated website with lots of new products 87 runner with every bolt on available

08-18-2004, 08:09 AM	#5 (permalink)
FSRBIKER Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lake Hopatcong, NJ Posts: 126	I'm going to buy the Thorley from Rocky Road http://www.rocky-road.com/thorley.html How much are the LC Headers BTW? Also a 2.25" exhaust would work better for a 22RE __________________ 85 4Runner, 3" lift, 32's 69 Bronco, 5.5" lift, 35's, NP435 67 Shelby GT500, 428 Police Interceptor Poor

08-18-2004, 05:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
Highland Runner Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Highlands, NC Posts: 682	I had an LC Engineering header on the 93 I used to own. It had the ceramic coating and had NO rust or discoloration after being on for three years. It looked like the pictures above. I don't think anyone makes a better header. __________________ Chris Mine-94 SR5 4-Runner, 3.0, 4X4, Aisin Hubs, Yakima Load Warrior, 210k Miles \| Wifes-99 Limited

08-18-2004, 08:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
wifesaysimadumbass Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ocean Beach S.D. Posts: 1,260	man i knew i could count on my yotatech buddies for opinions thanks guys. i have yet to breakdown the old manifold but i definately have a leak and it's not coming from where the pipe connects to the manifold. i'm kind of broke right now so i dont think i can afford to buy the system. i might just see if maybe the gasket blew and i can just replace that i hope i hope thanks again guys __________________ "yeah were gonna have fun, and we're not going to let any cops spoil it" Alex at surpestition 8 85 runner not stock anymore TUBINGWORKSFABRICATIONS custom rocksliders with rear bumperexocage with tire carrier soon to come: more stuff my wife thinks is useless CALL TUBINGWORKS 619 438-1160 good strong stuff for your rig custom built for use and abuse

08-17-2004, 07:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
jimbo74 Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Nor*Cal Posts: 6,582	lc is a great company, might want to check oout downey as well, have heard they are also very good

08-18-2004, 09:12 AM	#6 (permalink)
AzStorm Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: HELL,AKA Phoenix,Arizona Posts: 344	Ive been using the LCE header and 2.25 exhaust,cat and muffler for about 3000 miles now without any problems.If the gasket is installed properly and time is taken to clean the mounting surface as needed you wont experiance any leaks. I was impressed with the power gain and doubly suprised at how quiet this entire system is.I didnt want a loud exhaust and this set up has really impressed me. The old system (which is now for sale with other stuff,see the classifieds) came off in about 20 minutes.The header was very easy to install and a perfect fit.I had the whole project done inside of an hour and a half.Everything bolted up in the factory location without any modification and without skinned knuckles and swearing.

08-18-2004, 09:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
AKennedy87 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Chelmsford, MA Posts: 318	Check to make sure all the bolts and studs are down tight. I lost a stud and for about a week sounded like a motercycle. I got the stud and nut from toyota for like 4.50 and it worked like a charm. Check it out before you spend any more money. __________________ 1987 4Runner SR5 4x4 - 5spd M/T 22RE - 3" Add-A-Leaf Rear - 31/10.5/15 Michelin LTX A/T's on 98 Tacoma Wheels - Aisin Manual Hubs - Thule Rack System - 12" JL W0 w/ Alpine amp and custom box - JVC headunit Cardomain

08-19-2004, 06:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
FSRBIKER Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lake Hopatcong, NJ Posts: 126	Maybe one of the guys that now has a header could sell you their exhaust manifold for a few bucks if you need one? I won't be getting my header until my birthday in September. __________________ 85 4Runner, 3" lift, 32's 69 Bronco, 5.5" lift, 35's, NP435 67 Shelby GT500, 428 Police Interceptor Poor

08-19-2004, 07:02 AM	#11 (permalink)
seaflea Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: wilmington nc Posts: 1,602	I think my old manifold is still around. If you want it, just pay the shipping and its yours. Let me know. __________________ Will WabFab Off-Road, LLC Toyota 4x4 Parts and Custom Fabrication updated website with lots of new products 87 runner with every bolt on available

08-19-2004, 07:08 AM	#12 (permalink)
AKennedy87 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Chelmsford, MA Posts: 318	I have my carb header but it doesnt have the o2 sensor spot, covered up by a plate. I am sure you could use it and just drill a hole for it. Its yours if you pay shipping. __________________ 1987 4Runner SR5 4x4 - 5spd M/T 22RE - 3" Add-A-Leaf Rear - 31/10.5/15 Michelin LTX A/T's on 98 Tacoma Wheels - Aisin Manual Hubs - Thule Rack System - 12" JL W0 w/ Alpine amp and custom box - JVC headunit Cardomain

08-19-2004, 03:17 PM	#14 (permalink)
kevin444 Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,865	sooon i should have the 3rzfe headers in my possession soon! drool __________________ 02 4runner conversion complete!

08-19-2004, 05:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
myota Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: slc, ut Posts: 23	what is the copper piece above the header, and what is the best way to remove it? i just replaced the gaskets on my 22r and had it was the biggest pita to get whatever the hell that thing is off we had to do a whole lot of prying

08-19-2004, 07:03 PM	#16 (permalink)
AzStorm Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: HELL,AKA Phoenix,Arizona Posts: 344	I believe that is part of the emmisions crap.It came right off with the manifold but I had no way to plug the holes where it was so i re installed it. This header/exhaust was the easiest piece of cake to install and it made a big difference in performance.Im still making changes but anticipate checking fuel mileage in the next week or so. I was getting 14mpg but then again,I drive like a maniac sometimes!

08-19-2004, 07:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
CynicX Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,371	i notice you mentioned torque loss with a bigger exhaust....for what its worth when i had a wrx a buddy of mine already had one i went with a 2.5" exhaust and he had 3", full turboback no cats....we had almost exactly the same mods and on a dyno he ran about 3-4 extra ft lbs of torque and hp everytime.....just my experience.... __________________ 06 Subaru WRX

08-19-2004, 10:31 PM	#18 (permalink)
wifesaysimadumbass Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ocean Beach S.D. Posts: 1,260	update: after pulling the pipe off it appears that a stud had snapped. i pulled the stud and got a new one in there with new donut gaskets i sound good again. thanks for all the offers of help. looks like i wont be getting my header for awhile longer. __________________ "yeah were gonna have fun, and we're not going to let any cops spoil it" Alex at surpestition 8 85 runner not stock anymore TUBINGWORKSFABRICATIONS custom rocksliders with rear bumperexocage with tire carrier soon to come: more stuff my wife thinks is useless CALL TUBINGWORKS 619 438-1160 good strong stuff for your rig custom built for use and abuse

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