Keyless entry/alarm...

BlueTrane · 11-06-2002, 10:20 PM

I bought my truck new a year ago. Ever since day one, I really haven't been pleased with the keyless entry/alarm system. It seems as though I have to be very close to the vehicle to get any response with the remote. Has anyone else had this problem? The alarm computer has already been replaced once. There's nothing like driving down a neighborhood at midnight and having the thing start flashing lights and honking the horn. Regardless, the problem is the same as when I got it. Anyone else? Any fixes?

Also, I have the Pacesetter Monza tip that most of you use. Sorry to say but I hate it. From inside the cab with the windows up, its fine (especially to the girlfriend). With the windows down under acceleration I get an awful swish that I've heard described here before. I think mine has got to be the worst sound ever. I'm actually embarrassed by this. Someone asked me if the rig was supercharged because of the air rushing out. Is there a tip with the same great looks but a better sound that you guys recommend or has anyone tried removing the inner spacer with the sound dimples? I'm willing to be a guinnea pig if someone wants to give me some pointers.

Thanks for reading and your advice.

Nick (BlueTrane)

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Jay · 11-06-2002, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BlueTrane
It seems as though I have to be very close to the vehicle to get any response with the remote.

Holding the remote close to your chin, will generate better reception. Your body will act as an antenna. People will ask questions like wtf you doing ? KEEP IT A SECRET !

Im making good money selling the ten dollar batteries for them =P

Quote:

Any fixes?

New Battery.

Jay

Edit = typo

Bob_98SR5 · 11-06-2002, 10:58 PM

Nick,

I betcha you have the RS3200 alarm. I have the RS3000 alarm in my 98. I used to have a 99 w/ the RS3200 alarm and I can say that the range on that one is much better. I literally have to be about 5 feet or closer to my 4runner in order for it to be in range.

There must be some kind of wire-type antenna that it uses to receive the signal. Maybe it could be lengthened or positioned higher? I'm just throwing out ideas...what do you think?

Also, I used to have the Pacesetter tip on the 99 and I had that whooshing sound too. Yes, with the windows down and WOT, it sounds really lame. Shaving down the dimples is not a bad idea if you are open to doing so. I believe LSUMatt bought another Monza tip (big bore?) that doesn't have the whooshing sound but I think its a straight tip and not a slash tip (which I like).

Bob

91Runner · 11-07-2002, 12:10 AM

Not quite on the topic of the alarm (you might want to try changing the battery in the remote, or possibly it could be with the antenna, i'm not really sure, i'm clueless when it comes to alarm systems

)

As far as the whooshing sound you're talking about. I think I get the same thing (it's a very loud air sound when i'm at WOT) I know that it's not my exhaust, I have a Magnaflow Muffler with custom 2-1/4" Cat-Back system and a regular chrome exhaust tip so that it looks good (it's just a slip on tip, that's welded at the back out of sight) My whooshing sound seems to be coming from my air intake (I use a K&N FIPK Intake system on mine) and i'm thinking that it's possibly giving my engine a little too much air

hehehe this is the first problem (not really a problem, but like you guys said, it gets annoying

) that i've had with it. I'm thinking about switching back to my stock airbox to see if that makes any difference (and i'm curious what the power is like with just the stock airbox and a Magnaflow with 2-1/4" catback

Good Luck With Your Alarm!

-Braden

BlueTrane · 11-07-2002, 06:10 AM

Does anyone know if there is an antenna and if so, where it is?

Also, I know the problem is the tip. I drove the truck for 2 weeks with the stock tip and the new muffler. What tool would you recommend to shave off the dimples?

cybrenergy · 11-07-2002, 07:09 AM

While we are on the subject of factory alarms ...

I replaced my factory keyless entry with a Viper alarm system. Do you guys know how easy (or hard) it would be to remove the brain of the factory system? I am afraid that it may go hay-wire some day and unlock the doors, or start flashing the lights and honking the horn like described above. Also, if I do remove it, do you think that I may be able to sell it on eBay or something? The aftermarket alarm was put in 1 week after I got the truck, so I have not really had to use the factory system much.

Bob_98SR5 · 11-07-2002, 08:46 AM

Cyber:

Taking out the wiring will be your most difficult task, not the brain.

For those of us w/ RS3000s, the factory brain is right under the driver's seat. What a stupid place to put it, in my opinion. At least for the RS3000s, when I unplugged it, my 4runner wouldn't start.

Search "RS3000" and you'll see that I posted the install manuals on my web space. The RS3200 is very similar and at least you'll get an idea of what you have to remove.

Bob

cybrenergy · 11-07-2002, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob_98SR5
Cyber:

Taking out the wiring will be your most difficult task, not the brain.

For those of us w/ RS3000s, the factory brain is right under the driver's seat. What a stupid place to put it, in my opinion. At least for the RS3000s, when I unplugged it, my 4runner wouldn't start.

Search "RS3000" and you'll see that I posted the install manuals on my web space. The RS3200 is very similar and at least you'll get an idea of what you have to remove.

Bob

Do you know where I can find out what model my keyless entry is? I have a 2002 4Runner SR5 Sport Edition.

11-07-2002, 09:33 AM

i have to be bout 4 feet from my car to get it to work its horrible

Bob_98SR5 · 11-07-2002, 09:54 AM

Cyber,

I can almost assure you that you have a RS3200. I believe the 2000s were the last model year to get the RS3000. Do you still have your window sticker?

Bob

cybrenergy · 11-07-2002, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob_98SR5
Cyber,

I can almost assure you that you have a RS3200. I believe the 2000s were the last model year to get the RS3000. Do you still have your window sticker?

Bob

Yeah, I have the window sticker. I will have to check it out to see what it says!

Outkast` · 11-07-2002, 12:02 PM

On my runner I have the factory keyless entry system and I have been thinking about getting a Clifford Alarm ,Matrix R2, in its place. When I first got my runner it had a decent range, and when it started to fade I replaced the battery. That really made little to no difference, and then one day I DROPPED my keys at work on a cement floor, and for the next couple of weeks I had range out the waZoo! Currently the 'alarm' only works on a sunny day when I'm standing 2.5 feet in front of my runner.
Has anyone had experience with any other alarms, good/bad, or any information at all that might be of some assistance in purchasing an aftermarket alarm?

Thanks,
Outkast`

91Runner · 11-07-2002, 12:34 PM

I have a fairly basic Viper Alarm (sorry, I forgot the model number on it) it has the regular door lock/unlock, shock sensor, and starter kill. I've had it installed on my '91 4Runner for close to a year now, and it's been great, never had any problems with it. Although lately I have been noticing that i'm having to be a little closer to my truck for it to arm/disarm (I have a good feeling that it's my battery, because it's the same batter it came with, and my other remote works like new because I never use it

)

-Braden

95_4X4Runner · 11-08-2002, 07:21 PM

I installed my old Audiovox Prestige APS-600 alarm I had in my Supra. (The dealer commented that my remote looked like the ones they used to sell with their vehicles.)

Anyway, it has always been reliable, has a 4 channel rolling code transmitter, and if I hold it to my chin, I can get the windows to roll down from over 100 feet away.

If you can swing it, I'd recommend getting a Viper alarm w/keyless entry and a DEI model 530T power window module. (The 530T will roll your windows up when you arm it, and down with the remote, and it adds one tap auto up and down to two windows when driving. )

I was on the net reading about alarms, and thought it was interesting that the Camaro guys are modifying the factory alarm so intead of progressive unlocking the doors, they all unlock with one push of the button, and use the second push to trigger a window roll-down module or whatever. Just something to think about....

As far as the swooshing sound, swing by a muffler shop, and see what they recommend. They usually have several different tips in stock to check out.

sleepy1405 · 11-08-2002, 07:28 PM

let's see I forget which factory alarm I have, it's still in and I don't plan on taking it out, just in case I have to trade it in far far far in the future it may come in handy, anyways I just replaced my alarm with a viper one...umm 750 something I think with two way receiver technology. The range on this thing is killer! supposed to be about 1/4 of a mile unless there are big antenna's like radio ones next to you, you should look at the pics you'll what my remote looks like, it's hella heavy though, it takes a AAA battery, so far so good I like to actually look at my remote and tell if i'm alarm is on or not, I was having a hard time before because the beeps were so soft sometimes i would forget I heard them or not hear them at all.

Bob_98SR5 · 11-08-2002, 11:12 PM

Bluetrane, et al:

I looked in the RS3000 install manual and like I said, there is an antenna wire. The Toyota one is grey.

What if...

you solder or double crimp a longer wire of the same gauge to the grey wire and run it up the A-pillar in the hopes of getting better reception? Where it is now, it is underneath the steering wheel. At least that is where the install manual directs the alarm installers to put it.

I do recall seeing a loose grey wire when I was re-routing the alarm LED light to the left side of the dash. That must be it!

Well guys, yet another thing to jury rig. I'll let you know what happens. Maybe not this weekend, but definitely by the end of this month.

Bob

SLC Punk · 11-09-2002, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob_98SR5
Bluetrane, et al:

I looked in the RS3000 install manual and like I said, there is an antenna wire. The Toyota one is grey.

What if...

you solder or double crimp a longer wire of the same gauge to the grey wire and run it up the A-pillar in the hopes of getting better reception? Where it is now, it is underneath the steering wheel. At least that is where the install manual directs the alarm installers to put it.

I do recall seeing a loose grey wire when I was re-routing the alarm LED light to the left side of the dash. That must be it!

Well guys, yet another thing to jury rig. I'll let you know what happens. Maybe not this weekend, but definitely by the end of this month.

Bob

Bob do you have the factory stereo? I replaced my with a sony cd deck. Anyways, mine has the two antennas, one in the window (no longer connected) and one in the fender. Here is my idea. Legnthen the alarm wire and hook it to the antenna that is in the window. This would give VERY good reception. I know companies like Honda use the antenna for the keyless entry..

I may have to try this next week while I have the truck apart...

Bob_98SR5 · 11-09-2002, 07:04 PM

SLC, et al:

I did it! I took some in-door speaker antenna wire, soldered it to the grey wire (see above), ran the length of it up from underneath the steering column, up the A-pillar, and back towards the rear. Boy, let me tell you, what a difference.

Before this, I could only activate/disarm the alarm from about 5 feet. Now I can do if from about 20 feet. If I hold it up to my chin, maybe another 15 feet.

(Yes, yet another write up)

SLC: I'm not sure if your idea will work for most people, esp if they have the powered antenna. It might work for me since I have the fixed antenna though. Try it and lemme know how it turns out.

Bob

Cebby · 11-09-2002, 08:28 PM

SLC - Still got your factory stereo? Is it the CD/tape/radio? Any interst in selling it? Mine just quit and the Mrs. is angling for a 3 in 1 unit. Let me know.

SLC Punk · 11-10-2002, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cebby
SLC - Still got your factory stereo? Is it the CD/tape/radio? Any interst in selling it? Mine just quit and the Mrs. is angling for a 3 in 1 unit. Let me know.

When I bought my 4Runner it only had a tape player. The back light was also burnt out. So I don't think that you want it..

BigJohn · 11-11-2002, 01:23 AM

i can be like 100 feet away with mine

11-07-2002, 12:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
91Runner Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Escondido, CA Posts: 572	Not quite on the topic of the alarm (you might want to try changing the battery in the remote, or possibly it could be with the antenna, i'm not really sure, i'm clueless when it comes to alarm systems ) As far as the whooshing sound you're talking about. I think I get the same thing (it's a very loud air sound when i'm at WOT) I know that it's not my exhaust, I have a Magnaflow Muffler with custom 2-1/4" Cat-Back system and a regular chrome exhaust tip so that it looks good (it's just a slip on tip, that's welded at the back out of sight) My whooshing sound seems to be coming from my air intake (I use a K&N FIPK Intake system on mine) and i'm thinking that it's possibly giving my engine a little too much air hehehe this is the first problem (not really a problem, but like you guys said, it gets annoying ) that i've had with it. I'm thinking about switching back to my stock airbox to see if that makes any difference (and i'm curious what the power is like with just the stock airbox and a Magnaflow with 2-1/4" catback Good Luck With Your Alarm! -Braden __________________ "We've Got Ways Of Making You Pronounce The Letter O." 2005 Avalanche White Nissan Xterra 4x4 265hp V6... Stock For Now

11-07-2002, 06:10 AM	#5 (permalink)
BlueTrane Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Lewisville, TX Posts: 102	Does anyone know if there is an antenna and if so, where it is? Also, I know the problem is the tip. I drove the truck for 2 weeks with the stock tip and the new muffler. What tool would you recommend to shave off the dimples? __________________ 2006 IS350 1996 SC400 2002 4Runner Sport -- SOLD

11-07-2002, 07:09 AM	#6 (permalink)
cybrenergy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mount Airy, MD Posts: 260	While we are on the subject of factory alarms ... I replaced my factory keyless entry with a Viper alarm system. Do you guys know how easy (or hard) it would be to remove the brain of the factory system? I am afraid that it may go hay-wire some day and unlock the doors, or start flashing the lights and honking the horn like described above. Also, if I do remove it, do you think that I may be able to sell it on eBay or something? The aftermarket alarm was put in 1 week after I got the truck, so I have not really had to use the factory system much. __________________ 2002 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4WD - Sport Edition

11-07-2002, 12:34 PM	#13 (permalink)
91Runner Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Escondido, CA Posts: 572	I have a fairly basic Viper Alarm (sorry, I forgot the model number on it) it has the regular door lock/unlock, shock sensor, and starter kill. I've had it installed on my '91 4Runner for close to a year now, and it's been great, never had any problems with it. Although lately I have been noticing that i'm having to be a little closer to my truck for it to arm/disarm (I have a good feeling that it's my battery, because it's the same batter it came with, and my other remote works like new because I never use it ) -Braden __________________ "We've Got Ways Of Making You Pronounce The Letter O." 2005 Avalanche White Nissan Xterra 4x4 265hp V6... Stock For Now Last edited by 91Runner; 11-10-2002 at 06:34 PM.

11-08-2002, 07:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
95_4X4Runner Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 387	alarm I installed my old Audiovox Prestige APS-600 alarm I had in my Supra. (The dealer commented that my remote looked like the ones they used to sell with their vehicles.) Anyway, it has always been reliable, has a 4 channel rolling code transmitter, and if I hold it to my chin, I can get the windows to roll down from over 100 feet away. If you can swing it, I'd recommend getting a Viper alarm w/keyless entry and a DEI model 530T power window module. (The 530T will roll your windows up when you arm it, and down with the remote, and it adds one tap auto up and down to two windows when driving. ) I was on the net reading about alarms, and thought it was interesting that the Camaro guys are modifying the factory alarm so intead of progressive unlocking the doors, they all unlock with one push of the button, and use the second push to trigger a window roll-down module or whatever. Just something to think about.... As far as the swooshing sound, swing by a muffler shop, and see what they recommend. They usually have several different tips in stock to check out. __________________ Rob 95 Runner SR5 V6 5sp ATK engine, K&N FIPK, NWOR headers, high-flow cat w/2.25" Dynomax Super Turbo, 15X8 Centerlines, Michelin 32X11.5, Aisin hubs, Factory Brush bar, PP Rear Springs, KYB Monomax shocks, Westin Nerfs, Bushwackers, Weatherflectors, OME Steering Stabilizer, Marlin Short Shifter, White gauges, Taurus fan, MR2 100 Amp alternator, stereo&alarm w/DEI 530T 4:88's w/Supra LSD Front and Rear

11-06-2002, 10:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bob_98SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,092	Nick, I betcha you have the RS3200 alarm. I have the RS3000 alarm in my 98. I used to have a 99 w/ the RS3200 alarm and I can say that the range on that one is much better. I literally have to be about 5 feet or closer to my 4runner in order for it to be in range. There must be some kind of wire-type antenna that it uses to receive the signal. Maybe it could be lengthened or positioned higher? I'm just throwing out ideas...what do you think? Also, I used to have the Pacesetter tip on the 99 and I had that whooshing sound too. Yes, with the windows down and WOT, it sounds really lame. Shaving down the dimples is not a bad idea if you are open to doing so. I believe LSUMatt bought another Monza tip (big bore?) that doesn't have the whooshing sound but I think its a straight tip and not a slash tip (which I like). Bob

11-07-2002, 08:46 AM	#7 (permalink)
Bob_98SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,092	Cyber: Taking out the wiring will be your most difficult task, not the brain. For those of us w/ RS3000s, the factory brain is right under the driver's seat. What a stupid place to put it, in my opinion. At least for the RS3000s, when I unplugged it, my 4runner wouldn't start. Search "RS3000" and you'll see that I posted the install manuals on my web space. The RS3200 is very similar and at least you'll get an idea of what you have to remove. Bob

11-07-2002, 09:33 AM	#9 (permalink)
96SR5Limited Guest Posts: n/a	i have to be bout 4 feet from my car to get it to work its horrible

11-07-2002, 09:54 AM	#10 (permalink)
Bob_98SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,092	Cyber, I can almost assure you that you have a RS3200. I believe the 2000s were the last model year to get the RS3000. Do you still have your window sticker? Bob

11-07-2002, 12:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
Outkast` Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 130	On my runner I have the factory keyless entry system and I have been thinking about getting a Clifford Alarm ,Matrix R2, in its place. When I first got my runner it had a decent range, and when it started to fade I replaced the battery. That really made little to no difference, and then one day I DROPPED my keys at work on a cement floor, and for the next couple of weeks I had range out the waZoo! Currently the 'alarm' only works on a sunny day when I'm standing 2.5 feet in front of my runner. Has anyone had experience with any other alarms, good/bad, or any information at all that might be of some assistance in purchasing an aftermarket alarm? Thanks, Outkast`

11-08-2002, 07:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
sleepy1405 Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 453	let's see I forget which factory alarm I have, it's still in and I don't plan on taking it out, just in case I have to trade it in far far far in the future it may come in handy, anyways I just replaced my alarm with a viper one...umm 750 something I think with two way receiver technology. The range on this thing is killer! supposed to be about 1/4 of a mile unless there are big antenna's like radio ones next to you, you should look at the pics you'll what my remote looks like, it's hella heavy though, it takes a AAA battery, so far so good I like to actually look at my remote and tell if i'm alarm is on or not, I was having a hard time before because the beeps were so soft sometimes i would forget I heard them or not hear them at all. __________________ 2002 SR5 stellar blue pearl 4runner, husky liners, tint, sounds, dash mat, custom seat covers, magnetic hood protector, huge dragon sticker on rear window, in/out temp. w/blue backlight, blue turn sigs, platinum PIAA's, silver shift surround, trd emblems, kenwood dvd screen, viper alarm, blue indiglo/chrome pedals, red varad scanner,metallic silver dash trim (Jason), JAOS skid plate (Jason), yotatech stickers (2), foglights and extra reverse lights(friend installed for me)....more mods to come shortly. Pictures!

11-08-2002, 11:12 PM	#16 (permalink)
Bob_98SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,092	Bluetrane, et al: I looked in the RS3000 install manual and like I said, there is an antenna wire. The Toyota one is grey. What if... you solder or double crimp a longer wire of the same gauge to the grey wire and run it up the A-pillar in the hopes of getting better reception? Where it is now, it is underneath the steering wheel. At least that is where the install manual directs the alarm installers to put it. I do recall seeing a loose grey wire when I was re-routing the alarm LED light to the left side of the dash. That must be it! Well guys, yet another thing to jury rig. I'll let you know what happens. Maybe not this weekend, but definitely by the end of this month. Bob Last edited by Bob_98SR5; 11-08-2002 at 11:20 PM.

11-09-2002, 07:04 PM	#18 (permalink)
Bob_98SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,092	SLC, et al: I did it! I took some in-door speaker antenna wire, soldered it to the grey wire (see above), ran the length of it up from underneath the steering column, up the A-pillar, and back towards the rear. Boy, let me tell you, what a difference. Before this, I could only activate/disarm the alarm from about 5 feet. Now I can do if from about 20 feet. If I hold it up to my chin, maybe another 15 feet. (Yes, yet another write up) SLC: I'm not sure if your idea will work for most people, esp if they have the powered antenna. It might work for me since I have the fixed antenna though. Try it and lemme know how it turns out. Bob Last edited by Bob_98SR5; 11-09-2002 at 07:15 PM.

11-09-2002, 08:28 PM	#19 (permalink)
Cebby Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11,246	Still got it? SLC - Still got your factory stereo? Is it the CD/tape/radio? Any interst in selling it? Mine just quit and the Mrs. is angling for a 3 in 1 unit. Let me know. __________________ UZswap.com A site dedicated to sharing info for swapping the Toyota/ Lexus UZ (V8) engines into Toyota Trucks and 4Runners. My 4Runner 1993 4Runner, 1UZ (V8) auto dual ultimate crawler, double locked, 35's on beadlocked SR5 alloys, low lift, hacked fenders, tubbed firewall, custom armor TOOLandFAB.com A discussion forum dedicated to tools, fabrication & workshops. See my JD2 Bender Hydro Conversion BUY THIS 2008 CALENDAR

11-11-2002, 01:23 AM	#21 (permalink)
BigJohn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Vancouver B.C. Posts: 270	i can be like 100 feet away with mine __________________ 2002 4runner - Mods - Dynomax exhaust, Airbox/amsoil. Piaa Extreme White 2 inch driving lights, Nokian Vativas, mickey thompson wheels

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