horrible CV shaft luck

cpizzle42 · 06-11-2009, 04:34 PM

So I am running Camburg UCA’s with sway-a-way coils, so I know I have more travel which puts my CV shafts in more of a bind. Although since I have owned this runner (5 months or so), I have replaced the original cv's, and now I am on my 5th Napa unit. All the stores in my area are starting to not believe my BS about not off roading with their CV's when I go to return them with the warranty. So what can I do? I put two new ones on two weeks ago, went and ran box canyon and coke ovens trail and the passenger side boot is gone and grease is everywhere again and the driver’s side has a whole bunch of play in it. Does anybody make a set of built proof CV's for the '96 Runners? Or am I just going to have to do a SAS for as hard as I play?

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wunbigtacoma · 06-11-2009, 04:40 PM

Do you have a diff drop? If not get one

cpizzle42 · 06-11-2009, 04:43 PM

I would but I have Bud Built Skids. I wont be able to run those with the diff drop right?

TC4RNR · 06-11-2009, 05:54 PM

BB skid was designed to work with either 1" diff. drop or no drop. and you should not crank that coilovers up over past 2.5" lift. if you want more lift, go with either mid travel or long travel kits, with aftermarket UCA's and LCA's and CV axles. or, manual hub conversion.

troyboy162 · 06-12-2009, 08:50 AM

so a total of 6? how much lift are you running up front? if you are in the 2.5-3.5 range then you need to look at your driving manors. slow, steady, and straight keeps the cvs together. steering cranked, suspension drooped, and gas pedal makes them break the most.

cpizzle42 · 06-12-2009, 09:13 AM

I have no idea how much lift I got them at right now. I did not measure before and after. I will def. order a dif drop today, now that I know the skid will work with it. And troy, about my driving manors, I am fully aware of what a cv does at full droop, 4L, fully turned, and with a little gas, aint my first rodeo.

crolison · 06-12-2009, 10:12 AM

diff drops don't do jack

just lower your front co's, are your fins touching at ride height?

i don't know what your doing, but I wheel pretty good and haven't totally screwed a cv over yet, and I am locked in the front. and yes i have been drooped, fully turned, locked, on the gas and haven't broken anything yet. as guess its all the traction we don't get out here.

Bighead · 06-12-2009, 11:54 AM

What were you doing when you blew the CV? Was it the same situation for each of the blown axles?

I'm guessing your SAWs are set too high.

cpizzle42 · 06-12-2009, 05:42 PM

I am just tearing the inner boots, then gets in there and locks them up when I am wheeling. And I dont know how my co's can be too high, my truck sits like a stink bug right now how they are. Crolison what do you mean fins touching at ride height?. I just finished putting the new cv in. I ll tell you what, those dudes at napa hate me, they see me come in and they just stare at me, like "really? again?" haha I am proud to say I can a change a cv out in under 15 minutes now.

Bighead · 06-12-2009, 05:58 PM

Once you get everything back together again and sitting on rubber, take a look at the CV boots. Crolison is asking if the fins on the boots are touching when you look at them.

Did you do the lift or was it on when you bought it?

cpizzle42 · 06-12-2009, 09:44 PM

I'll look tomorrow to see if the fins are touching on the boots.
The truck was bought stock with worn out coils.
The SAWS are not even jacked up that much.

Do you think I should do a 1'' diff drop?

Just looked today and the other shaft the has been in there for two weeks has slop in the bearings. Am I just having bad luck with napa units?

Bighead · 06-13-2009, 04:22 AM

A diff drop couldn't hurt but I would not count on it to keep the same issue from happening.

What do you mean by slop in the bearings?

If Steve wasn't on vacation I'd say run by Sonoran Steel and have him take a look at it.

TC4RNR · 06-13-2009, 07:04 AM

wanna try this?
http://www.allprooffroad.com/9602frontsuspension/282

by the way, are you running with sway bar removed?

cpizzle42 · 06-13-2009, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bighead

A diff drop couldn't hurt but I would not count on it to keep the same issue from happening.

What do you mean by slop in the bearings?

If Steve wasn't on vacation I'd say run by Sonoran Steel and have him take a look at it.

What I mean by slop in the bearing is I can grab the shaft of the cv between the boots and wiggle it around. I am guessing that not suppose to happen?

Those long travel boots from all-pro look like something that could def help my problem. But how in the heck would you fit that small end of the boot of the large part of the cv?

troyboy162 · 06-13-2009, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpizzle42

I am just tearing the inner boots, then gets in there and locks them up when I am wheeling. And I dont know how my co's can be too high, my truck sits like a stink bug right now how they are. Crolison what do you mean fins touching at ride height?. I just finished putting the new cv in. I ll tell you what, those dudes at napa hate me, they see me come in and they just stare at me, like "really? again?" haha I am proud to say I can a change a cv out in under 15 minutes now.

the boots tearing are more of an indicator of some other front end issue. alot of guys tear boots and dont repair them for up to a year without breaking cvs. your at 6 cv's in 5 monthes and apparently arnt beating on the truck. defiantly post up some pictures of your cv angles with the truck sitting on the ground and maybe some jacked up to show full droop. also im sure the napa units arnt quite as tough as OEM but that dosnt account for 6 dead ones either.

cpizzle42 · 06-13-2009, 11:28 AM

And I took the sway bars off. I figured why spend over of 2 grand on suspension, then have sway bars not let the truck do its thing. ya know?

cpizzle42 · 06-13-2009, 01:10 PM

At ride height-
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...2/cvangle2.jpg

At full droop-
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...2/cvangle4.jpg

TC4RNR · 06-13-2009, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpizzle42

And I took the sway bars off. I figured why spend over of 2 grand on suspension, then have sway bars not let the truck do its thing. ya know?

not quite, why people spend twice of that money on LT conversion also put on limit straps.
TC long travel kit:
Parts Included:
Upper A-Arms W/ Bushings, Uniballs, & Clips
Lower A-Arms W/ Bushings, Shock Mounts
Tie-Rod Extensions
Braided Stainless Brake Lines D.O.T. Approved
Grade 8 Hardware
Adjustable Limit Straps & Mounts
....

base on the picture of the full drop, nothing is gonna save the CV unless you cure that angle.

SnowRunner98 · 06-13-2009, 01:28 PM

There is your problem brutha! I did that many a time on my 03 taco before I got a diff drop, and turned my C/O's down to 2in. At 2.5" I was wearing them out like a champ too. I'm running the same front suspension as you on my front , just need to get off my rear and install my UCA's. I have them set at 2in. with diff drop and I have put a grip of miles on mine. Haven't wheeled the crap out of my truck yet. My rear be draggin' ha

SnowRunner98 · 06-13-2009, 01:31 PM

When i bought mine from camburg, they said the bottom of the shock will be the bottoming out factor, "Do I need limit straps with this set up?" and they told me no.

06-11-2009, 04:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
wunbigtacoma Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: knoxville,tn Posts: 75	Do you have a diff drop? If not get one __________________ 95.5' Tacoma ext cab v6 5spd,Electric fans,Intake,Exhaust, Fabtech C/O's,285 Trail Grappler's Lock Right rear 10K Hid's <Matt>

06-11-2009, 04:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
cpizzle42 Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) [OP] Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 487	I would but I have Bud Built Skids. I wont be able to run those with the diff drop right? __________________ 1996 Runner limited, V6 4wd, 5sp 5.29 gears Supercharger/under pulley/ URD's fuel/timing kit Suspension-Sway-a-way 2.5 coilovers and camburg uniball uppers, gusseted spindles, strapped, Cruiser springs and heim'd links in rear.Tires and wows-35x12.50 Goodyear MTR's on 15x8 black steels, cut fenders and cut back firewall. Misc-spool in rear, Cobra Cb, CO2 tank, Bud Bulit Skids, K&N intake, flowmaster exhaust. Power Steering Cooler, 140 amp alt, 8K winch, Superior axles, aluminum fuel cell.

06-11-2009, 05:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
TC4RNR Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: May 2007 Location: used to be so. cal. now Indy Posts: 634	BB skid was designed to work with either 1" diff. drop or no drop. and you should not crank that coilovers up over past 2.5" lift. if you want more lift, go with either mid travel or long travel kits, with aftermarket UCA's and LCA's and CV axles. or, manual hub conversion. __________________ 94 4Runner, SR5 3.0V6, 4WD, 5spd: SOLD 99 4Runner, SR5, 3.4L 4WD, 5spd. LC80 wheels, SS 1.2 lift, Marlin 1200 Clutch, ARB front bumper, BruceTS rear bumper, Tundra Brakes, Brembo rotors, Stainless skid, Stubb's HD-SKO sliders. 04 4Runner SR5 V6 4WD. 265/75/16 BFG KO, FJC coils and silver Bilstein shocks, Scion H/U.

06-12-2009, 08:50 AM	#5 (permalink)
troyboy162 Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: victorville socal Posts: 61	so a total of 6? how much lift are you running up front? if you are in the 2.5-3.5 range then you need to look at your driving manors. slow, steady, and straight keeps the cvs together. steering cranked, suspension drooped, and gas pedal makes them break the most. __________________ www.ultimateyota.com

06-12-2009, 09:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
cpizzle42 Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) [OP] Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 487	I have no idea how much lift I got them at right now. I did not measure before and after. I will def. order a dif drop today, now that I know the skid will work with it. And troy, about my driving manors, I am fully aware of what a cv does at full droop, 4L, fully turned, and with a little gas, aint my first rodeo. __________________ 1996 Runner limited, V6 4wd, 5sp 5.29 gears Supercharger/under pulley/ URD's fuel/timing kit Suspension-Sway-a-way 2.5 coilovers and camburg uniball uppers, gusseted spindles, strapped, Cruiser springs and heim'd links in rear.Tires and wows-35x12.50 Goodyear MTR's on 15x8 black steels, cut fenders and cut back firewall. Misc-spool in rear, Cobra Cb, CO2 tank, Bud Bulit Skids, K&N intake, flowmaster exhaust. Power Steering Cooler, 140 amp alt, 8K winch, Superior axles, aluminum fuel cell.

06-12-2009, 10:12 AM	#7 (permalink)
crolison Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: TN Posts: 2,561	diff drops don't do jack just lower your front co's, are your fins touching at ride height? i don't know what your doing, but I wheel pretty good and haven't totally screwed a cv over yet, and I am locked in the front. and yes i have been drooped, fully turned, locked, on the gas and haven't broken anything yet. as guess its all the traction we don't get out here. __________________ 97 tacoma - 3' of sheet metal 99 4runner - 5spd dd

06-12-2009, 11:54 AM	#8 (permalink)
Bighead Contributing Member Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,358	What were you doing when you blew the CV? Was it the same situation for each of the blown axles? I'm guessing your SAWs are set too high. __________________ 2004 Land Cruiser -- OME/Slee Suspension \| Slee Dual Battery \| Slee Armor (Front, Rear, Sides and Belly) \| Nitto TG 285/75-16 \| ARB Drawers

06-12-2009, 05:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
cpizzle42 Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) [OP] Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 487	I am just tearing the inner boots, then gets in there and locks them up when I am wheeling. And I dont know how my co's can be too high, my truck sits like a stink bug right now how they are. Crolison what do you mean fins touching at ride height?. I just finished putting the new cv in. I ll tell you what, those dudes at napa hate me, they see me come in and they just stare at me, like "really? again?" haha I am proud to say I can a change a cv out in under 15 minutes now. __________________ 1996 Runner limited, V6 4wd, 5sp 5.29 gears Supercharger/under pulley/ URD's fuel/timing kit Suspension-Sway-a-way 2.5 coilovers and camburg uniball uppers, gusseted spindles, strapped, Cruiser springs and heim'd links in rear.Tires and wows-35x12.50 Goodyear MTR's on 15x8 black steels, cut fenders and cut back firewall. Misc-spool in rear, Cobra Cb, CO2 tank, Bud Bulit Skids, K&N intake, flowmaster exhaust. Power Steering Cooler, 140 amp alt, 8K winch, Superior axles, aluminum fuel cell.

06-12-2009, 05:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
Bighead Contributing Member Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,358	Once you get everything back together again and sitting on rubber, take a look at the CV boots. Crolison is asking if the fins on the boots are touching when you look at them. Did you do the lift or was it on when you bought it? __________________ 2004 Land Cruiser -- OME/Slee Suspension \| Slee Dual Battery \| Slee Armor (Front, Rear, Sides and Belly) \| Nitto TG 285/75-16 \| ARB Drawers

06-12-2009, 09:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
cpizzle42 Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) [OP] Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 487	I'll look tomorrow to see if the fins are touching on the boots. The truck was bought stock with worn out coils. The SAWS are not even jacked up that much. Do you think I should do a 1'' diff drop? Just looked today and the other shaft the has been in there for two weeks has slop in the bearings. Am I just having bad luck with napa units? __________________ 1996 Runner limited, V6 4wd, 5sp 5.29 gears Supercharger/under pulley/ URD's fuel/timing kit Suspension-Sway-a-way 2.5 coilovers and camburg uniball uppers, gusseted spindles, strapped, Cruiser springs and heim'd links in rear.Tires and wows-35x12.50 Goodyear MTR's on 15x8 black steels, cut fenders and cut back firewall. Misc-spool in rear, Cobra Cb, CO2 tank, Bud Bulit Skids, K&N intake, flowmaster exhaust. Power Steering Cooler, 140 amp alt, 8K winch, Superior axles, aluminum fuel cell.

06-13-2009, 04:22 AM	#12 (permalink)
Bighead Contributing Member Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,358	A diff drop couldn't hurt but I would not count on it to keep the same issue from happening. What do you mean by slop in the bearings? If Steve wasn't on vacation I'd say run by Sonoran Steel and have him take a look at it. __________________ 2004 Land Cruiser -- OME/Slee Suspension \| Slee Dual Battery \| Slee Armor (Front, Rear, Sides and Belly) \| Nitto TG 285/75-16 \| ARB Drawers

06-13-2009, 07:04 AM	#13 (permalink)
TC4RNR Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: May 2007 Location: used to be so. cal. now Indy Posts: 634	wanna try this? http://www.allprooffroad.com/9602frontsuspension/282 by the way, are you running with sway bar removed? __________________ 94 4Runner, SR5 3.0V6, 4WD, 5spd: SOLD 99 4Runner, SR5, 3.4L 4WD, 5spd. LC80 wheels, SS 1.2 lift, Marlin 1200 Clutch, ARB front bumper, BruceTS rear bumper, Tundra Brakes, Brembo rotors, Stainless skid, Stubb's HD-SKO sliders. 04 4Runner SR5 V6 4WD. 265/75/16 BFG KO, FJC coils and silver Bilstein shocks, Scion H/U.

06-13-2009, 11:28 AM	#16 (permalink)
cpizzle42 Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) [OP] Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 487	And I took the sway bars off. I figured why spend over of 2 grand on suspension, then have sway bars not let the truck do its thing. ya know? __________________ 1996 Runner limited, V6 4wd, 5sp 5.29 gears Supercharger/under pulley/ URD's fuel/timing kit Suspension-Sway-a-way 2.5 coilovers and camburg uniball uppers, gusseted spindles, strapped, Cruiser springs and heim'd links in rear.Tires and wows-35x12.50 Goodyear MTR's on 15x8 black steels, cut fenders and cut back firewall. Misc-spool in rear, Cobra Cb, CO2 tank, Bud Bulit Skids, K&N intake, flowmaster exhaust. Power Steering Cooler, 140 amp alt, 8K winch, Superior axles, aluminum fuel cell.

06-13-2009, 01:10 PM	#17 (permalink)
cpizzle42 Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) [OP] Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 487	At ride height- http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...2/cvangle2.jpg At full droop- http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...2/cvangle4.jpg __________________ 1996 Runner limited, V6 4wd, 5sp 5.29 gears Supercharger/under pulley/ URD's fuel/timing kit Suspension-Sway-a-way 2.5 coilovers and camburg uniball uppers, gusseted spindles, strapped, Cruiser springs and heim'd links in rear.Tires and wows-35x12.50 Goodyear MTR's on 15x8 black steels, cut fenders and cut back firewall. Misc-spool in rear, Cobra Cb, CO2 tank, Bud Bulit Skids, K&N intake, flowmaster exhaust. Power Steering Cooler, 140 amp alt, 8K winch, Superior axles, aluminum fuel cell. Last edited by cpizzle42; 06-13-2009 at 01:11 PM.

06-13-2009, 01:28 PM	#19 (permalink)
SnowRunner98 Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Evanston, wy Posts: 324	There is your problem brutha! I did that many a time on my 03 taco before I got a diff drop, and turned my C/O's down to 2in. At 2.5" I was wearing them out like a champ too. I'm running the same front suspension as you on my front , just need to get off my rear and install my UCA's. I have them set at 2in. with diff drop and I have put a grip of miles on mine. Haven't wheeled the crap out of my truck yet. My rear be draggin' ha __________________ 98 runner SR5, flowmaster 40, K&N deckplate ISR,Poly rack and pinion bushings,1in. dropdown spacer, 2.5 swayaways c/o, Camburg UCA's. 285's 16x8 black wheels, Built front bumper,Tundra Brakes! Stereo, and alarm. 99 headlights Wish list(rear lift, 4.88's,E-locker, rear bumper,sliders)

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06-13-2009, 01:31 PM	#20 (permalink)
SnowRunner98 Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Evanston, wy Posts: 324	When i bought mine from camburg, they said the bottom of the shock will be the bottoming out factor, "Do I need limit straps with this set up?" and they told me no. __________________ 98 runner SR5, flowmaster 40, K&N deckplate ISR,Poly rack and pinion bushings,1in. dropdown spacer, 2.5 swayaways c/o, Camburg UCA's. 285's 16x8 black wheels, Built front bumper,Tundra Brakes! Stereo, and alarm. 99 headlights Wish list(rear lift, 4.88's,E-locker, rear bumper,sliders)

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