Gauge and dash backlighting

pdyebrasil · 06-03-2007, 01:25 AM

I'm planning on replacing my stock green backlighting with blue LEDs and I know that there are three #194 lights behind the gauges, but I haven't been able to find how many #74 and/or #194 bulbs I would need to replace for the climate control, shifter, rear window switch, etc... I basically just want to replace all the green with blue. Any help?

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Elton · 06-03-2007, 01:53 AM

welcome to yotatech try here http://autolumination.com/ o and take some pics too like to see im gettin kinda tired on all the green

pdyebrasil · 06-03-2007, 09:40 AM

I forgot to mention that I have a '98 4Runner SR5, auto w/ the 3.4

MillerPKA · 06-03-2007, 09:56 AM

i don't know squat about lighting but i'm with you man. i was about to switch out the gauges with some from jason b. then i realized i'd still be stuck with the same color ac unit and shifter too. keep this thread updated, hopefully someone with some knowledge can provide some insight.

MillerPKA · 06-03-2007, 09:57 AM

oh, if you need to order in bulk or something i'll be the first to throw down, let us know if you hear anything

pdyebrasil · 06-03-2007, 06:04 PM

I know that a few people have done this mod already and that it is pretty straightforward, and there actually is another older thread dealing with this, but I could not find the exact number of each bulb needed to replace all of them... I really don't want to have to take the dash apart to find out so I can order everything just to take it all apart again, if you know what I mean! But the website to get them from is www.superbrightleds.com , or there is a store on Ebay called VLEDs that I've bought from that is good.

MillerPKA · 06-03-2007, 06:07 PM

this is the first i've seen of it, keep us updated with your progress please, i'll be following suit for sure

pdyebrasil · 06-03-2007, 08:39 PM

Here is the link for the other thread...

http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=115178

Tons of good info, I just need to know how many!!!

pdyebrasil · 06-03-2007, 10:41 PM

Alright, my patience wore out and I decided to discover for myself how many bulbs there are...

There are two #74 in the climate control unit and one in the ignition key ring... I wasn't able to open the actual shifter to see how many were in there, but there is probably an easy way that I missed. The A/C switch has a replaceable bulb in it but it is much smaller than a #74 bulb and I'm not quite sure what it is. Bad news on the power window and ECT PWR switch... It looks like the lights are soldered in, so it could be done, but it's a little much for me.

So altogether it looks like I'm going to get 3 #194 blue LEDs for the gauge cluster and probably 5 #74 (I only counted 3, but I know there are some in the shifter).

Fo_SheeZy · 06-03-2007, 11:11 PM

It seems your wanting to do the exact same thing as me, I pulled my whole gauge cluster out and couldn't find a way to get to those bulbs without screwing something up. Your better off customizing your own guage at www.speedhut.com As for the A/C control bulbs they are Neo - Wedge LED Instrument Panel Bulbs

http://autolumination.com/74.htm But I'm not sure if they are Type A or B... I've yet to take them out and measure them. Here's my older thread on this exact same topic http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=106658 Look on my cardomain I've changed out so many bulbs and I can help you if you have any other quesions..

drew303 · 06-03-2007, 11:30 PM

offtopic...sorta kinda... not a 'runner and definetly no where in the same year range... just wanted to say i love the stock green =)

=D

MillerPKA · 06-04-2007, 06:17 AM

i'll take a closer look at it today but the shifter only has one light. pop up that section of console. if you really want to you can get to it from there, just follow the single wire leading to the middle of the shifter. to make things easier you can unscrew the two screws holding the shifter down and pull it up. you can see where there is a single bulb that goes in straight up, one of the ones you turn clockwise to lock into place....don't know what size it is though so maybe i just wrote all that for no reason

Fo_SheeZy · 06-04-2007, 06:58 PM

Shifter has one bulb.. it's a 74, I put a blue LED in mine.

MillerPKA · 06-04-2007, 07:03 PM

where's the illumination coming from?

Fo_SheeZy · 06-04-2007, 09:50 PM

Ash tray light, I took the ash tray out so the light shines out.

97Limited · 06-05-2007, 08:56 AM

In total I think I used about 9 or 10 #74 bulbs in my mod:

~Key ring
~Ash tray
~Cig Lighter ring
~Trans Light
~Climate Controls
~2 Signal Arrows
~4x4 Light
~ECT Light

cackalak han · 06-05-2007, 11:18 AM

I've got a 2002, and have been wanting to change out the green to a red or amber color. I'm wondering how much the light bulbs differ on the climate control lights between 96-98 to 99+ (non-auto CC). You can only get them from the dealership. #74 bulbs are way too big. Plus there are three of them. They do have the little green condoms on them, that I could probably just switch out. But I have no idea where to get these condoms.

Has anyone done this on a 99+?

Fo_SheeZy · 06-05-2007, 09:37 PM

I pulled the green condoms off of mine one day when I was trying to get them out because I thought they were 74's... Now they have that white/yellow look like stock headlight bulbs..

pdyebrasil · 06-09-2007, 09:09 AM

Alright... after waiting what seemed like forever my bulbs finally came in from SuperBrightLEDs. The install went fairly well, the only obstacles I ran into were first that the #74 bulbs are a little longer than the stock ones, so I actually filed one down to be able to fit it in the ignition ring. Also the cigarette lighter on my 4Runner looks like it has a replaceable bulb, but it would NOT come out! And lastly the climate control lights are still a little "spotty". I filed them down a little, which helped, but didn't entirely fix the problem. I'm thinking that maybe getting the #74 LEDs that VLED's offers that have an inverted cone lens would be better... The gauges look very good and were by far the easiest, and the light is very bright! Much better than green... The only thing left for me is to replace the mini "neo wedge" in the rear window defrost control and the a/c control.

Anyway, I totally dig it, and now it matches my cd player! I'll be sure to post some pics later on today.

4runnersurf · 06-09-2007, 09:32 AM

I've done the same thing, but I can't figure out how to replace the rear window defrost, a/c control, or clock. Anybody know?

frodin1 · 06-09-2007, 09:47 AM

So what did you come up with as far as a total? Does anybody have a shopping list of how many we need of what bulbs?

pdyebrasil · 06-09-2007, 10:14 AM

Well, the A/C control and Rear defroster use those neo-wedge bulbs like Fo_Sheezy mentioned... they are pretty easy to replace.

As for the bulb total, My 98 4Runner (I don't know exactly what changed for each year) uses:

-3 #194 for the gauges
-2 #74 for the climate control
-1 #74 for the shifter
-1 #74 for the ignition key ring
-1 #74 for the ash tray
-1 Neo-wedge for the A/C
-2 Neo-wedge for the rear defroster

On the rear defroster you can change the bulb for both the backlighting and the "on" light, A/C is just the backlighting.

You can also change out the indicator lights in the dash, such as 4x4, ECT PWR, Cruise, turn signals, etc. by replacing them with #74.

91muddog · 06-09-2007, 10:17 AM

cant wait to see the pics brasil, ive been wanting to do this mod to my 94 4runner since i got dash speakers with blue led's in them and a blue h/u.
the speaker spots in the dash flash bue with the music at night, its awesome.

hupptoy · 06-09-2007, 10:33 AM

Just a note for those that need to change the smaller bulbs (bulb is tiny with 14V 1.4W written on it and is much smaller than the 74 but the dealer can't seem to find a part number for...), I found one at Autozone (although their computer said it was a 74...) that was very close.

The bulb # was 2721 (although it is 2.1W instead of 1.4W) euro bulb that is the same size as the the Toyota bulb and is only $2 for 2. You will have to re-use the green sleeve from the old bulb (if yours has one).

hupptoy

frodin1 · 06-09-2007, 10:35 AM

Can't wait to see it!

06-03-2007, 01:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
Elton Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Siletz,Oregon Posts: 10,662	welcome to yotatech try here http://autolumination.com/ o and take some pics too like to see im gettin kinda tired on all the green __________________ My Truck 98 4runner SR5 3.4L 5spd 4x4 E-Locker Mods Mom 07 Tundra d-cab limited 5.7L 4x4 auto sister 92 pickup SR5 X-cab 3.0L 5spd 4x4 Papa 89 Pickup SR5 X-cab 4x4 3.0L 5spd/98 4runner SR5 4x4 auto 3.4L R.I.P 91 4runner SR5 4x4 3.0L 5spd Totaled 5/13/06 My Wreck

06-03-2007, 09:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
MillerPKA Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: GSU/ATL/SD Posts: 1,322	i don't know squat about lighting but i'm with you man. i was about to switch out the gauges with some from jason b. then i realized i'd still be stuck with the same color ac unit and shifter too. keep this thread updated, hopefully someone with some knowledge can provide some insight. __________________ Weston 97 SR5: Profile 883/LC with OME/PC shocks ∙ 2" body lift ∙ ARB bull bar ∙ Safari Snorkel ∙ KC/IPF aux lighting ∙ 315/75 BF Goodrich KM2s ∙ LC Wheels ∙ Vortex Cherrybomb ∙ Custom black/tan color scheme ∙ couple other things Toytec 4Runner Catalog

06-03-2007, 09:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
MillerPKA Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: GSU/ATL/SD Posts: 1,322	oh, if you need to order in bulk or something i'll be the first to throw down, let us know if you hear anything __________________ Weston 97 SR5: Profile 883/LC with OME/PC shocks ∙ 2" body lift ∙ ARB bull bar ∙ Safari Snorkel ∙ KC/IPF aux lighting ∙ 315/75 BF Goodrich KM2s ∙ LC Wheels ∙ Vortex Cherrybomb ∙ Custom black/tan color scheme ∙ couple other things Toytec 4Runner Catalog

06-03-2007, 06:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
pdyebrasil Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 375	I know that a few people have done this mod already and that it is pretty straightforward, and there actually is another older thread dealing with this, but I could not find the exact number of each bulb needed to replace all of them... I really don't want to have to take the dash apart to find out so I can order everything just to take it all apart again, if you know what I mean! But the website to get them from is www.superbrightleds.com , or there is a store on Ebay called VLEDs that I've bought from that is good. __________________ '98 4Runner SR5 4x4, 3.4 V6 auto - SS 7.2, 4Crawler 1.5" BL, 295/75/16 Nitto TGs, E-Locker - HID bi-xenon retrofit - LED Tails, Custom LED turn signals and 3rd Brake - Deckplate w/ Trueflow and ISR, Magnaflow muffler - White LED lighting, blue LED backlighting, white reverse glow gauges - Premier AVIC-F90BT w/ 6.5" Infinity Ref., 5.25" Pioneer, 2 Eclipse 10" subs, Phoenix Gold amp. Check it out on CarDomain : http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2934470

06-03-2007, 06:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
MillerPKA Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: GSU/ATL/SD Posts: 1,322	this is the first i've seen of it, keep us updated with your progress please, i'll be following suit for sure __________________ Weston 97 SR5: Profile 883/LC with OME/PC shocks ∙ 2" body lift ∙ ARB bull bar ∙ Safari Snorkel ∙ KC/IPF aux lighting ∙ 315/75 BF Goodrich KM2s ∙ LC Wheels ∙ Vortex Cherrybomb ∙ Custom black/tan color scheme ∙ couple other things Toytec 4Runner Catalog

06-03-2007, 09:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
pdyebrasil Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 375	I forgot to mention that I have a '98 4Runner SR5, auto w/ the 3.4

06-03-2007, 08:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
pdyebrasil Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 375	Here is the link for the other thread... http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=115178 Tons of good info, I just need to know how many!!! __________________ '98 4Runner SR5 4x4, 3.4 V6 auto - SS 7.2, 4Crawler 1.5" BL, 295/75/16 Nitto TGs, E-Locker - HID bi-xenon retrofit - LED Tails, Custom LED turn signals and 3rd Brake - Deckplate w/ Trueflow and ISR, Magnaflow muffler - White LED lighting, blue LED backlighting, white reverse glow gauges - Premier AVIC-F90BT w/ 6.5" Infinity Ref., 5.25" Pioneer, 2 Eclipse 10" subs, Phoenix Gold amp. Check it out on CarDomain : http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2934470

06-03-2007, 10:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
pdyebrasil Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 375	Alright, my patience wore out and I decided to discover for myself how many bulbs there are... There are two #74 in the climate control unit and one in the ignition key ring... I wasn't able to open the actual shifter to see how many were in there, but there is probably an easy way that I missed. The A/C switch has a replaceable bulb in it but it is much smaller than a #74 bulb and I'm not quite sure what it is. Bad news on the power window and ECT PWR switch... It looks like the lights are soldered in, so it could be done, but it's a little much for me. So altogether it looks like I'm going to get 3 #194 blue LEDs for the gauge cluster and probably 5 #74 (I only counted 3, but I know there are some in the shifter). __________________ '98 4Runner SR5 4x4, 3.4 V6 auto - SS 7.2, 4Crawler 1.5" BL, 295/75/16 Nitto TGs, E-Locker - HID bi-xenon retrofit - LED Tails, Custom LED turn signals and 3rd Brake - Deckplate w/ Trueflow and ISR, Magnaflow muffler - White LED lighting, blue LED backlighting, white reverse glow gauges - Premier AVIC-F90BT w/ 6.5" Infinity Ref., 5.25" Pioneer, 2 Eclipse 10" subs, Phoenix Gold amp. Check it out on CarDomain : http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2934470

06-03-2007, 11:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
Fo_SheeZy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 1,598	It seems your wanting to do the exact same thing as me, I pulled my whole gauge cluster out and couldn't find a way to get to those bulbs without screwing something up. Your better off customizing your own guage at www.speedhut.com As for the A/C control bulbs they are Neo - Wedge LED Instrument Panel Bulbs http://autolumination.com/74.htm But I'm not sure if they are Type A or B... I've yet to take them out and measure them. Here's my older thread on this exact same topic http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=106658 Look on my cardomain I've changed out so many bulbs and I can help you if you have any other quesions.. __________________ *Check out my 2008 Urban 4Runner on CarDomain!!* http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3108855 http://www.myspace.com/bmplayar Last edited by Fo_SheeZy; 06-03-2007 at 11:14 PM.

06-03-2007, 11:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
drew303 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,033	offtopic...sorta kinda... not a 'runner and definetly no where in the same year range... just wanted to say i love the stock green =) =D __________________ 1987 Pickup, single cab, 22R, new head, 260 cam TG 3" SAS, rear disc brakes, chromoly rear axles, Chromoly Birfs, Tcase brake, 37x12.50R15 MT/Rs, 5.29 gears, rear Aussie Locker, front Detroit Truetrac.

06-04-2007, 06:17 AM	#12 (permalink)
MillerPKA Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: GSU/ATL/SD Posts: 1,322	i'll take a closer look at it today but the shifter only has one light. pop up that section of console. if you really want to you can get to it from there, just follow the single wire leading to the middle of the shifter. to make things easier you can unscrew the two screws holding the shifter down and pull it up. you can see where there is a single bulb that goes in straight up, one of the ones you turn clockwise to lock into place....don't know what size it is though so maybe i just wrote all that for no reason __________________ Weston 97 SR5: Profile 883/LC with OME/PC shocks ∙ 2" body lift ∙ ARB bull bar ∙ Safari Snorkel ∙ KC/IPF aux lighting ∙ 315/75 BF Goodrich KM2s ∙ LC Wheels ∙ Vortex Cherrybomb ∙ Custom black/tan color scheme ∙ couple other things Toytec 4Runner Catalog

06-04-2007, 06:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
Fo_SheeZy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 1,598	Shifter has one bulb.. it's a 74, I put a blue LED in mine. __________________ *Check out my 2008 Urban 4Runner on CarDomain!!* http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3108855 http://www.myspace.com/bmplayar

06-04-2007, 07:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
MillerPKA Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: GSU/ATL/SD Posts: 1,322	where's the illumination coming from? __________________ Weston 97 SR5: Profile 883/LC with OME/PC shocks ∙ 2" body lift ∙ ARB bull bar ∙ Safari Snorkel ∙ KC/IPF aux lighting ∙ 315/75 BF Goodrich KM2s ∙ LC Wheels ∙ Vortex Cherrybomb ∙ Custom black/tan color scheme ∙ couple other things Toytec 4Runner Catalog

06-04-2007, 09:50 PM	#15 (permalink)
Fo_SheeZy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 1,598	Ash tray light, I took the ash tray out so the light shines out. __________________ *Check out my 2008 Urban 4Runner on CarDomain!!* http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3108855 http://www.myspace.com/bmplayar

06-05-2007, 08:56 AM	#16 (permalink)
97Limited Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 541	In total I think I used about 9 or 10 #74 bulbs in my mod: ~Key ring ~Ash tray ~Cig Lighter ring ~Trans Light ~Climate Controls ~2 Signal Arrows ~4x4 Light ~ECT Light __________________ 1997 4Runner Limited; 3.4L 4WD; Rear E-Locker; OEM/Sonoran Steel 3.5" Lift; ARB Tacoma BullBar w/ 525 PIAA Dual-Beam Lights; Alpine/JL Audio; CompuStar; TRD Headers w/ Magnaflow custom dual exhaust; 305/70 XTerrains on Blacked-out A/R wheels; Tundra Brakes; 4" Deckplate mod w/ TRD filter; ISR mod; Yellow Top Optima w/ custom tie down; Custom grille inserts; JDM Black headlights w/ 6000k HID's; Extended diff breathers PICS> ::97 4Runner Site::

06-09-2007, 09:32 AM	#20 (permalink)
4runnersurf Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Millville, NJ Posts: 94	I've done the same thing, but I can't figure out how to replace the rear window defrost, a/c control, or clock. Anybody know? __________________ Dan 98 4runner SR5, Smittybilt Nerf Bars, Brushguard, Hella 500s, PIAA headlights, corner lights, and signal lights, Chrome Altezza Tails, Blue LEDs in Dash, Pioneer Head Unit, Cooper Discovery ATR's 265/75/16, 5 inch deckplate, Soon to come: Custom built cargo box, ISR, Air Elbow mod

06-05-2007, 11:18 AM	#17 (permalink)
cackalak han Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 1,768	I've got a 2002, and have been wanting to change out the green to a red or amber color. I'm wondering how much the light bulbs differ on the climate control lights between 96-98 to 99+ (non-auto CC). You can only get them from the dealership. #74 bulbs are way too big. Plus there are three of them. They do have the little green condoms on them, that I could probably just switch out. But I have no idea where to get these condoms. Has anyone done this on a 99+? __________________ 01 Tacoma DC TRD OR 4x4

06-05-2007, 09:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
Fo_SheeZy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 1,598	I pulled the green condoms off of mine one day when I was trying to get them out because I thought they were 74's... Now they have that white/yellow look like stock headlight bulbs.. __________________ *Check out my 2008 Urban 4Runner on CarDomain!!* http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3108855 http://www.myspace.com/bmplayar

06-09-2007, 09:09 AM	#19 (permalink)
pdyebrasil Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 375	Alright... after waiting what seemed like forever my bulbs finally came in from SuperBrightLEDs. The install went fairly well, the only obstacles I ran into were first that the #74 bulbs are a little longer than the stock ones, so I actually filed one down to be able to fit it in the ignition ring. Also the cigarette lighter on my 4Runner looks like it has a replaceable bulb, but it would NOT come out! And lastly the climate control lights are still a little "spotty". I filed them down a little, which helped, but didn't entirely fix the problem. I'm thinking that maybe getting the #74 LEDs that VLED's offers that have an inverted cone lens would be better... The gauges look very good and were by far the easiest, and the light is very bright! Much better than green... The only thing left for me is to replace the mini "neo wedge" in the rear window defrost control and the a/c control. Anyway, I totally dig it, and now it matches my cd player! I'll be sure to post some pics later on today. __________________ '98 4Runner SR5 4x4, 3.4 V6 auto - SS 7.2, 4Crawler 1.5" BL, 295/75/16 Nitto TGs, E-Locker - HID bi-xenon retrofit - LED Tails, Custom LED turn signals and 3rd Brake - Deckplate w/ Trueflow and ISR, Magnaflow muffler - White LED lighting, blue LED backlighting, white reverse glow gauges - Premier AVIC-F90BT w/ 6.5" Infinity Ref., 5.25" Pioneer, 2 Eclipse 10" subs, Phoenix Gold amp. Check it out on CarDomain : http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2934470

06-09-2007, 09:47 AM	#21 (permalink)
frodin1 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NOW, Havasu! Posts: 1,066	So what did you come up with as far as a total? Does anybody have a shopping list of how many we need of what bulbs?

06-09-2007, 10:14 AM	#22 (permalink)
pdyebrasil Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 375	Well, the A/C control and Rear defroster use those neo-wedge bulbs like Fo_Sheezy mentioned... they are pretty easy to replace. As for the bulb total, My 98 4Runner (I don't know exactly what changed for each year) uses: -3 #194 for the gauges -2 #74 for the climate control -1 #74 for the shifter -1 #74 for the ignition key ring -1 #74 for the ash tray -1 Neo-wedge for the A/C -2 Neo-wedge for the rear defroster On the rear defroster you can change the bulb for both the backlighting and the "on" light, A/C is just the backlighting. You can also change out the indicator lights in the dash, such as 4x4, ECT PWR, Cruise, turn signals, etc. by replacing them with #74. __________________ '98 4Runner SR5 4x4, 3.4 V6 auto - SS 7.2, 4Crawler 1.5" BL, 295/75/16 Nitto TGs, E-Locker - HID bi-xenon retrofit - LED Tails, Custom LED turn signals and 3rd Brake - Deckplate w/ Trueflow and ISR, Magnaflow muffler - White LED lighting, blue LED backlighting, white reverse glow gauges - Premier AVIC-F90BT w/ 6.5" Infinity Ref., 5.25" Pioneer, 2 Eclipse 10" subs, Phoenix Gold amp. Check it out on CarDomain : http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2934470

06-09-2007, 10:33 AM	#24 (permalink)
hupptoy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 128	Just a note for those that need to change the smaller bulbs (bulb is tiny with 14V 1.4W written on it and is much smaller than the 74 but the dealer can't seem to find a part number for...), I found one at Autozone (although their computer said it was a 74...) that was very close. The bulb # was 2721 (although it is 2.1W instead of 1.4W) euro bulb that is the same size as the the Toyota bulb and is only $2 for 2. You will have to re-use the green sleeve from the old bulb (if yours has one). hupptoy __________________ 99 4Runner SR5 3.4 Auto 4x4, 32" LTX A/T, 165K+ 93 Toy x-cab 22RE 5-spd 4x4, 31" LTX A/T, 150K+

06-09-2007, 10:35 AM	#25 (permalink)
frodin1 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NOW, Havasu! Posts: 1,066	Can't wait to see it!

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