Automatic Transmisison Maintenance? - Page 5

mkgarrison5 · 03-13-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Quattro15

All I saw at the Auto parts store was M1 multivehicle atf....is this what I'm supposed to put in there?

It was in a silver bottle with a black cap. Don't see anything like that on the website.

the M1 website needs to be updated... the multivehicle i dont think is what you should use.. to be sure, contact Mobil and find out.. but i am sure i am right.. the one you want is just the basic M1 atf.. it says on the back about DEXIII.... did you see any other synthetic atf's there?? also is that the only store around?? or you can ask them to order the regular M1 atf and buy the case or more. its up to you man... you can always go with valvoline maxlife atf or toyota's dexIII but you should change it more often esp since you live in the hills.. imo

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Man4God · 03-13-2008, 10:03 AM

I don't believe in synthetics that much over conventional oils. I believe in frequency of changing fluids and better filtration. Engine oil needs to be changed due to the cumbustion process, not because conventional oil is worse than synthetic at lubrication. Contamination of the oil is the problem. Automatic transmissions are not exposed to this process so I have no reason to beleive that synthetic trans fluid will benefit me any more than conventional. If you change your fluids at the correct intervals, conventional lubricants work fine. If you extend your intervals, then synthetics are better. But ONLY if you extend the change intervals.

I ran my 99 Cobra with M1 for 10,000 miles and a filter swap between changes. Oil was fine, mainly due to changing the oil filter at 5,000 miles.

wsudu · 03-13-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mkgarrison5

you can put that UNlicensed dex3 crap in your trannies but i wont.. the synthetics LAST LONGER, LUBE BETTER, FLOW BETTER, ALLOW COOLER TRANNY TEMPS and etc etc... guys, if you use synthetics in your motor why not put it in your tranny??? your tranny works twice as hard as your motor. if there is one part on your truck that should get synthetics is your tranny.. save $ on the parts. thats just my opinion..besides you guys go thru the trouble of flushing but yet put sub standard cheap dex3 back in? doesnt make sense.. sorry for the rant lol.. ill spend 120$ on my tranny every 40-50k miles in a heartbeat

Are you referring to my post about the 19 quarts at $55? That was Toyota Dex III that I got for the dealer and I usually change my tranny fluid every 25-30K

Quattro15 · 03-13-2008, 11:14 AM

Well I can't find the regular Mobil 1 ATF anywhere in town. O'reillys, Advanced Auto, Wally World, nowhere....

So I guess I'm going to go with Amsoil since I can get a case of that stuff from a dealer I found in Old Fort, NC. He's selling it for about $9 a quart so it better be good stuff!!

I need the Universal ATF that they make correct?

Also...a case is 12 quarts. Will that be enough to do an entire drain and refill or do I need more than that?

Thanks!

97ltd4x4 · 03-13-2008, 11:24 AM

Here are some links to read.I personally use T-IV in both trans and power steering.There are a bunch of alternatives though.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/100-series-c...-t-iv-atf.html

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...067477&fpart=1

http://home.hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/pri...html#TRANSAXLE

Those Prius folk are kinda wierd.But they test stuff like NASA,LOL.

mkgarrison5 · 03-13-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 97ltd4x4

Here are some links to read.I personally use T-IV in both trans and power steering.There are a bunch of alternatives though.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/100-series-c...-t-iv-atf.html

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...067477&fpart=1

http://home.hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/pri...html#TRANSAXLE

Those Prius folk are kinda wierd.But they test stuff like NASA,LOL.

your powersteering requires dexronIII not TIV... as for Quatro's truck both spec DEXIII not TIV.. i am sure he could use TIV but its not what the factory had in mind at that time.. so quatro do NOT use TIV

Quattro15 · 03-13-2008, 11:55 AM

Yeah....I'll only use DexIII compatible in my Yota.

That M1 ATF doesn't say anything about being DexIII compatible either.

mkgarrison5 · 03-13-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Quattro15

Yeah....I'll only use DexIII compatible in my Yota.

That M1 ATF doesn't say anything about being DexIII compatible either.

you are talking about the multivehicle and no it doesnt say.. again you can verify this by contacting mobil.. do you have any mom and pop auto parts stores?? if so, most carry amsoil and the basic dexIII M1

Quattro15 · 03-13-2008, 12:00 PM

Just got off the phone with Mobil 1 support.

They said that it isn't the same product but that it is still Dex III compatible. It has just been updated to also be Mercon compatible. I'm a little nervous about using this stuff.

Mason Dixon · 03-13-2008, 12:15 PM

I'm having a hard time finding a decent syn atf around here too...i came across this tho....think it will work?

mkgarrison5 · 03-13-2008, 12:17 PM

it wont hurt your tranny quattro but like you thats a lot of $$ to cast any kind of doubt so i would move on... you can use amsoil and 9$ a quart is about right. i would ask them to cut you a deal if you were to buy 16qts.. if not you can either get the amsoil or move on to something else.. i would see if one of those autoparts stores will ORDER you a case or two of M1 atf thats the name

M1 ATF and make sure to tell them NOT the multivehicle and see what they say.. worst comes to worst use valvoline maxlife. its pretty decent stuff and plus its a BLEND (syn blended with dino) i think the % is 10-20% synthetic to 80-90% dino but the best part is that it has a good additive package.. again its your choice

mkgarrison5 · 03-13-2008, 12:19 PM

Mason, DEX6 is backwards compatable to DEX3. BUT and i mean BUT it was designed soley for GM vehicles not toyota.. now a lot of people say its fine BUT toyota has not verified that so on that note, dont use DEX6 for now.. bc if it were accepted by toyota i would be all over it bc that beats dex3 with its pants down and thumb in the mouth.. its pretty top notch stuff!!

when i mean verify i mean toyota and dex6 do not have a "license" together.. now here is the contradiction to this, i run Amsoil Universal ATF and it does Spec DEX3, T4, AND DEX6... sooooo thats a toss up........ try it and find out...

Quattro15 · 03-13-2008, 12:27 PM

The Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF on their website does look the same as the stuff at Advanced Auto. It looks like it says Mercon V underneath all the black labelling and also multi-vehicle underneath the Synthetic ATF label.

That would be exactly what I found at Advanced Auto.

mkgarrison5 · 03-13-2008, 12:46 PM

the multivehicle isnt the same as the basic M1.. the basic M1 was mainly designed for dexrons and some mercs where as the multivehicle was mainly designed for mercons.. so take it as you will.. you can use the multivehicle and be fine.. i am just picky lol.. i hate paying that much $$ when i have some slight doubts about it.. know what i mean?

Quattro15 · 03-13-2008, 12:49 PM

I hear ya...the only reason why I want this stuff to work is that I'd be getting it from a shop that I can jog to, it's just around the corner. I'd like to get it there and the same stuff is at wally world for $5 a quart (just out of stock right now)

The amsoil will be fine but I've tried to get into contact with this guy for a few days and it seems like i'd have to wait around in order to get it for my truck in the future.

Mason Dixon · 03-13-2008, 12:53 PM

mkgarrison, what does toyota ws mean on that bottle?

Quattro15 · 03-13-2008, 06:44 PM

Well, I've got 15 quarts of Amsoil Universal ATF coming my way tomorrow. That should be enough right??

Thanks for all the info! In the end, I wanted the best I guess.

Thanks!

97ltd4x4 · 03-13-2008, 07:31 PM

T-IV works just fine in power steering.You can replace Dex III,with T-IV in anything that Toyota calls for DEX III.Even though the owner's manual dosen't state that,Or the fill cap,dipstick,ect.What kind of fluid is in power steering from the factory?It sure isn't DEX III......

mkgarrison5 · 03-14-2008, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 97ltd4x4

T-IV works just fine in power steering.You can replace Dex III,with T-IV in anything that Toyota calls for DEX III.Even though the owner's manual dosen't state that,Or the fill cap,dipstick,ect.What kind of fluid is in power steering from the factory?It sure isn't DEX III......

yes it is a dexron in the powersteering it even says it on my damn cap duh... no powersteering unit toyota has ever made (to my knowledge) has asked for TIV as the fluid of choice.. where do you get this crap from?? the tranny on quatros truck came long before TIV was designed.. again he possibly could use TIV in the tranny but why when it wasnt designed for it?

mkgarrison5 · 03-14-2008, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Quattro15

Well, I've got 15 quarts of Amsoil Universal ATF coming my way tomorrow. That should be enough right??

Thanks for all the info! In the end, I wanted the best I guess.

Thanks!

yeah thats enough.. be prepared for some smooth shiftin' lol.. i really like that stuff.. for a long time i was never an amsoil fan until i bit the bullet and bought some myself for my tranny.. its pretty shear stable too.. if you do a full flush with it do drain and fills every 20-25k miles or earlier and you will never have to flush your tranny again.. thats on my list after new tires...

Quattro15 · 03-14-2008, 07:01 AM

Yeah...I'm quite excited about this new ATF. The guy I'm getting it from has an '86 yota pickup and says that it LOVES the Amsoil.

I'm probably still going to stick with the M1 diff and trans case oil though. I'm going to put 75/140 in the diffs and 75/90 in the trans case.

mkgarrison5 · 03-14-2008, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Quattro15

Yeah...I'm quite excited about this new ATF. The guy I'm getting it from has an '86 yota pickup and says that it LOVES the Amsoil.

I'm probably still going to stick with the M1 diff and trans case oil though. I'm going to put 75/140 in the diffs and 75/90 in the trans case.

there you go.. good luck and have fun.. fyi, you can run regular dino oil in the motor if you want to save some $$.. lucky us those v6's are very easy on oil. i would run maxlife or penzoil 10w30 or 5w30 from 3-5k miles.. i like maxlife bc it has the best additive package out of all dino oils it seems like.. if you want to run a syn in the motor just find some on sale.. i never pay full price for syn for my motor..

97ltd4x4 · 03-14-2008, 07:56 AM

Do this ...Pull your dipstick from the trans....Whipe on a clean white paper towl,nice and red.....pull your dipstick from a factory filled powersteering unit whipe on towl...its yellowish/brown and slightly differant consistancy,Will also have a differant smell than the DEX.

The thing is TOYOTA FACTORY filled the powersteering units with a generic powersteering fluid from the factory,SO YOU COULD PUT ALMOST ANY KIND OF FLUID IN IT TO TOP IT OFF,they choose DEX to top off cause its readily avaliable all over the world,and cheap,Same goes for there trans,untill recently when they wanted more life out of there fluids and higher PSI for efficiency and quality.There is nothing special about the fluid in the steering units and IT IS NOT DEXI,DEXII,or even DEXIII.

So IF TOYOTA States that if DEX III is acceptable fluid to run in powersteering,Then T-IV will work the same if not better where TOYOTA calls for DEXIII or equivalent.

I have alteast 6 or7 TOYOTA TSB specifically stating this...T-IV is backwards compatable for use in TOYOTA DEXI,DEXII,DEXIII trans and hydralic systems. Will DEXIII work fine...YES...Will T-IV work fine...YES,Will T-IV last longer and provide higher psi,and break down qualities..YES it will.

Quattro15 · 03-14-2008, 08:16 AM

I actually run 10/40 in winter and 20/50 in summer for my engine oil. It runs much better with more weighted oil IMO. My bud recommended it and I love the change in idle and smoothness. I would tell you to give it a shot in your engine if you have over 100k miles, that's what I was told to do.

The thicker weight is easier for the pump to move up to the top of the engine. And we all know that start-ups are the worst time for engine wear.

mkgarrison5 · 03-14-2008, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 97ltd4x4

Do this ...Pull your dipstick from the trans....Whipe on a clean white paper towl,nice and red.....pull your dipstick from a factory filled powersteering unit whipe on towl...its yellowish/brown and slightly differant consistancy,Will also have a differant smell than the DEX.

The thing is TOYOTA FACTORY filled the powersteering units with a generic powersteering fluid from the factory,SO YOU COULD PUT ALMOST ANY KIND OF FLUID IN IT TO TOP IT OFF,they choose DEX to top off cause its readily avaliable all over the world,and cheap,Same goes for there trans,untill recently when they wanted more life out of there fluids and higher PSI for efficiency and quality.There is nothing special about the fluid in the steering units and IT IS NOT DEXI,DEXII,or even DEXIII.

So IF TOYOTA States that if DEX III is acceptable fluid to run in powersteering,Then T-IV will work the same if not better where TOYOTA calls for DEXIII or equivalent.

I have alteast 6 or7 TOYOTA TSB specifically stating this...T-IV is backwards compatable for use in TOYOTA DEXI,DEXII,DEXIII trans and hydralic systems. Will DEXIII work fine...YES...Will T-IV work fine...YES,Will T-IV last longer and provide higher psi,and break down qualities..YES it will.

dude dexIII and tiv are different in a lot of ways.. yes TIV is better but is NOT backwards compatible to dexIII where do you get this crap from again?? my techs laughed at this when i talked with them.. they are totally different fluids.. but if it works in your truck then use it but dont spread shady info with no proof here..

03-13-2008, 10:03 AM	#102 (permalink)
Man4God Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 292	I don't believe in synthetics that much over conventional oils. I believe in frequency of changing fluids and better filtration. Engine oil needs to be changed due to the cumbustion process, not because conventional oil is worse than synthetic at lubrication. Contamination of the oil is the problem. Automatic transmissions are not exposed to this process so I have no reason to beleive that synthetic trans fluid will benefit me any more than conventional. If you change your fluids at the correct intervals, conventional lubricants work fine. If you extend your intervals, then synthetics are better. But ONLY if you extend the change intervals. I ran my 99 Cobra with M1 for 10,000 miles and a filter swap between changes. Oil was fine, mainly due to changing the oil filter at 5,000 miles. __________________ '97 4Runner Limited 4x4 w/Locker Grey (Red & Blue) Wire Mod 2Lo Mod Tundra DC Non-TRD front with stock Tundra Tokicos (2.5") Downey 3" rear lift with Monroe Reflex Shocks (Thanks Chaplain!) Soldier for Christ.

03-13-2008, 11:14 AM	#104 (permalink)
Quattro15 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346	Well I can't find the regular Mobil 1 ATF anywhere in town. O'reillys, Advanced Auto, Wally World, nowhere.... So I guess I'm going to go with Amsoil since I can get a case of that stuff from a dealer I found in Old Fort, NC. He's selling it for about $9 a quart so it better be good stuff!! I need the Universal ATF that they make correct? Also...a case is 12 quarts. Will that be enough to do an entire drain and refill or do I need more than that? Thanks! Last edited by Quattro15; 03-13-2008 at 11:22 AM.

03-13-2008, 11:24 AM	#105 (permalink)
97ltd4x4 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 434	Here are some links to read.I personally use T-IV in both trans and power steering.There are a bunch of alternatives though. http://forum.ih8mud.com/100-series-c...-t-iv-atf.html http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...067477&fpart=1 http://home.hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/pri...html#TRANSAXLE Those Prius folk are kinda wierd.But they test stuff like NASA,LOL. Last edited by 97ltd4x4; 03-13-2008 at 11:30 AM.

03-13-2008, 12:15 PM	#110 (permalink)
Mason Dixon Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Huntsville, Alabama Posts: 797	I'm having a hard time finding a decent syn atf around here too...i came across this tho....think it will work? __________________ http://www.sectalk.com/images/graphi...ds/alabama.gif 2000 4Runner SR5 4x4 Sport

03-13-2008, 12:17 PM	#111 (permalink)
mkgarrison5 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NC Posts: 1,516	it wont hurt your tranny quattro but like you thats a lot of $$ to cast any kind of doubt so i would move on... you can use amsoil and 9$ a quart is about right. i would ask them to cut you a deal if you were to buy 16qts.. if not you can either get the amsoil or move on to something else.. i would see if one of those autoparts stores will ORDER you a case or two of M1 atf thats the name M1 ATF and make sure to tell them NOT the multivehicle and see what they say.. worst comes to worst use valvoline maxlife. its pretty decent stuff and plus its a BLEND (syn blended with dino) i think the % is 10-20% synthetic to 80-90% dino but the best part is that it has a good additive package.. again its your choice __________________ 02 Tacoma 4-Dr 4x4 V6 117k miles

03-13-2008, 11:55 AM	#107 (permalink)
Quattro15 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346	Yeah....I'll only use DexIII compatible in my Yota. That M1 ATF doesn't say anything about being DexIII compatible either.

03-13-2008, 12:00 PM	#109 (permalink)
Quattro15 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346	Just got off the phone with Mobil 1 support. They said that it isn't the same product but that it is still Dex III compatible. It has just been updated to also be Mercon compatible. I'm a little nervous about using this stuff.

03-13-2008, 12:19 PM	#112 (permalink)
mkgarrison5 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NC Posts: 1,516	Mason, DEX6 is backwards compatable to DEX3. BUT and i mean BUT it was designed soley for GM vehicles not toyota.. now a lot of people say its fine BUT toyota has not verified that so on that note, dont use DEX6 for now.. bc if it were accepted by toyota i would be all over it bc that beats dex3 with its pants down and thumb in the mouth.. its pretty top notch stuff!! when i mean verify i mean toyota and dex6 do not have a "license" together.. now here is the contradiction to this, i run Amsoil Universal ATF and it does Spec DEX3, T4, AND DEX6... sooooo thats a toss up........ try it and find out... __________________ 02 Tacoma 4-Dr 4x4 V6 117k miles Last edited by mkgarrison5; 03-13-2008 at 12:21 PM.

03-13-2008, 12:27 PM	#113 (permalink)
Quattro15 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346	The Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF on their website does look the same as the stuff at Advanced Auto. It looks like it says Mercon V underneath all the black labelling and also multi-vehicle underneath the Synthetic ATF label. That would be exactly what I found at Advanced Auto.

03-13-2008, 12:46 PM	#114 (permalink)
mkgarrison5 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NC Posts: 1,516	the multivehicle isnt the same as the basic M1.. the basic M1 was mainly designed for dexrons and some mercs where as the multivehicle was mainly designed for mercons.. so take it as you will.. you can use the multivehicle and be fine.. i am just picky lol.. i hate paying that much $$ when i have some slight doubts about it.. know what i mean? __________________ 02 Tacoma 4-Dr 4x4 V6 117k miles

03-13-2008, 12:49 PM	#115 (permalink)
Quattro15 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346	I hear ya...the only reason why I want this stuff to work is that I'd be getting it from a shop that I can jog to, it's just around the corner. I'd like to get it there and the same stuff is at wally world for $5 a quart (just out of stock right now) The amsoil will be fine but I've tried to get into contact with this guy for a few days and it seems like i'd have to wait around in order to get it for my truck in the future.

03-13-2008, 12:53 PM	#116 (permalink)
Mason Dixon Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Huntsville, Alabama Posts: 797	mkgarrison, what does toyota ws mean on that bottle? __________________ http://www.sectalk.com/images/graphi...ds/alabama.gif 2000 4Runner SR5 4x4 Sport

03-13-2008, 06:44 PM	#117 (permalink)
Quattro15 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346	Well, I've got 15 quarts of Amsoil Universal ATF coming my way tomorrow. That should be enough right?? Thanks for all the info! In the end, I wanted the best I guess. Thanks!

03-13-2008, 07:31 PM	#118 (permalink)
97ltd4x4 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 434	T-IV works just fine in power steering.You can replace Dex III,with T-IV in anything that Toyota calls for DEX III.Even though the owner's manual dosen't state that,Or the fill cap,dipstick,ect.What kind of fluid is in power steering from the factory?It sure isn't DEX III......

03-14-2008, 07:01 AM	#121 (permalink)
Quattro15 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346	Yeah...I'm quite excited about this new ATF. The guy I'm getting it from has an '86 yota pickup and says that it LOVES the Amsoil. I'm probably still going to stick with the M1 diff and trans case oil though. I'm going to put 75/140 in the diffs and 75/90 in the trans case. Last edited by Quattro15; 03-14-2008 at 07:03 AM.

03-14-2008, 07:56 AM	#123 (permalink)
97ltd4x4 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 434	Do this ...Pull your dipstick from the trans....Whipe on a clean white paper towl,nice and red.....pull your dipstick from a factory filled powersteering unit whipe on towl...its yellowish/brown and slightly differant consistancy,Will also have a differant smell than the DEX. The thing is TOYOTA FACTORY filled the powersteering units with a generic powersteering fluid from the factory,SO YOU COULD PUT ALMOST ANY KIND OF FLUID IN IT TO TOP IT OFF,they choose DEX to top off cause its readily avaliable all over the world,and cheap,Same goes for there trans,untill recently when they wanted more life out of there fluids and higher PSI for efficiency and quality.There is nothing special about the fluid in the steering units and IT IS NOT DEXI,DEXII,or even DEXIII. So IF TOYOTA States that if DEX III is acceptable fluid to run in powersteering,Then T-IV will work the same if not better where TOYOTA calls for DEXIII or equivalent. I have alteast 6 or7 TOYOTA TSB specifically stating this...T-IV is backwards compatable for use in TOYOTA DEXI,DEXII,DEXIII trans and hydralic systems. Will DEXIII work fine...YES...Will T-IV work fine...YES,Will T-IV last longer and provide higher psi,and break down qualities..YES it will. Last edited by 97ltd4x4; 03-14-2008 at 08:03 AM.

03-14-2008, 08:16 AM	#124 (permalink)
Quattro15 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 346	I actually run 10/40 in winter and 20/50 in summer for my engine oil. It runs much better with more weighted oil IMO. My bud recommended it and I love the change in idle and smoothness. I would tell you to give it a shot in your engine if you have over 100k miles, that's what I was told to do. The thicker weight is easier for the pump to move up to the top of the engine. And we all know that start-ups are the worst time for engine wear.

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