ok lets talk SAS on tacoma

vwfastg60 · 12-26-2006, 12:06 AM

My buddys about to tackle his SAS.Hes planning on the trailgear set up.Whats different with this then a regular IFS- SAS? i know the rack is on teh back of all the ifs stuff. What parts will we need in addition to the trailgear SAS kit?

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91_4x4runner · 12-26-2006, 08:04 AM

What year is the Taco?

AxleIke · 12-26-2006, 10:30 PM

check out www.ttora.com

Whole crap tons of folks have swapped every year taco ever made.

Good luck

KyleT · 12-26-2006, 10:37 PM

it shouldnt matter what year it is to sas a taco, right? you are still cutting alot of stuff off the frame.

AH64ID · 12-27-2006, 03:54 AM

I thought only allpro had a SAS kit for the taco.. a IFS eliminator kit for a 86-95 will not work on a Taco...

**waskillywabbit** · 12-27-2006, 05:42 AM

Trail Gear to my knowlege does not have a kit for SASing a Tacoma of any year, only 79-85 pickups and 4Runners. Pickups were not called "Tacomas" until 95.5.

Now if that is what you are doing, let me know and I'll hook ya up.

AH64ID · 12-27-2006, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waskillywabbit

Trail Gear to my knowlege does not have a kit for SASing a Tacoma of any year, only 79-85 pickups and 4Runners. Pickups were not called "Tacomas" until 95.5.

Now if that is what you are doing, let me know and I'll hook ya up.

I think you might know the trail gear inventory

Its amazing how many people dont know that older toyota pickups are called "pickups".. I have seen many 198x or 199x( pre 95.5) tacoms for sale..

Speaking of trail gear... how long does it usually take to get springs from you? I will be ordering some early next year...

**waskillywabbit** · 12-27-2006, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AH64ID

I think you might know the trail gear inventory

Its amazing how many people dont know that older toyota pickups are called "pickups".. I have seen many 198x or 199x( pre 95.5) tacoms for sale..

Speaking of trail gear... how long does it usually take to get springs from you? I will be ordering some early next year...

Yep, the "Tacoma" label gets thrown around a lot...but I guess that is a good thing for Toyota that the name is so well known now.

Things go out the same day as the order via UPS ground...3 days to Idaho I imagine.

rockota · 12-27-2006, 07:41 AM

All-Pro and Off-Road Solutions are the only two making "complete" swap kits out there. Both are Coil-overs.

Front Range Off-Road Fabrication and Bent-up both make hanger kits and sell other components to help put together a Tacoma SAS.

**waskillywabbit** · 12-27-2006, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockota

All-Pro and Off-Road Solutions are the only two making "complete" swap kits out there. Both are Coil-overs.

Front Range Off-Road Fabrication and Bent-up both make hanger kits and sell other components to help put together a Tacoma SAS.

I agree with web wheeler.

WATRD · 12-27-2006, 08:37 AM

Is it even possible to SAS a Tacoma?

***midiwall*** · 12-27-2006, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WATRD

Is it even possible to SAS a Tacoma?

No... only 96 4Runners.

AH64ID · 12-27-2006, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WATRD

Is it even possible to SAS a Tacoma?

Nope, its a myth... kinda like ARB bumpers on a SAS truck

vwfastg60 · 01-03-2007, 03:15 AM

We found a few kits. I just need to see if its possible to flip over a front axel from an 85 runner and relocate the breather to the top of the diff housing. If everything turns the same way i dont see any problems doing the swap at all.

My buddy has been trying to find a used D60 but right now doesnt have the money for it. Were going to see if we can make this all happen and if so later on hes grabbing a D60. Anyone know for sure if that woks? Is there a custom housing we could use if it wont?

AH64ID · 01-03-2007, 05:19 AM

I think if it were as easy as flipping the axle it would be common, and its not...

You have a couple of options, inchworm, marlin and probally others have adapters to put a the xcase from a 85-95 in, giving the option of lower gears, as a well as using a 79-85 axle.

You could have a custom housing made, thou if money is the issue this is the way to go...

Do you really need 60's on a tacoma? I know some run them, but thats a full size axle, now your needing a 3/4 or 1 ton rear end to match the width... just a whole lot more involved, and a whole different level of wheeling....

Best bet is to get a D44 from a waggoneer, cant remember what years but could be searched, and put that under there. You can get internals for the 44 that make it plenty strong.

SteveO · 01-03-2007, 08:48 AM

IF you flip the houseing, you will be putting a lot of pressure on the "Coast" side of the gears when climbing, as opposed to the "drive"s side of the gears. They were not meant to be driven this way, so you won't have the full strength of your Ring and Pinion gears as you should have; when the axle is in its proper location, or right side up.

rockota · 01-03-2007, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveO

IF you flip the houseing, you will be putting a lot of pressure on the "Coast" side of the gears when climbing, as opposed to the "drive"s side of the gears. They were not meant to be driven this way, so you won't have the full strength of your Ring and Pinion gears as you should have; when the axle is in its proper location, or right side up.

Nope... If he flips the axle, the tires will rotate in the opposite direction that he wants... Rears driving forward, front driving rear. You can't flip the 3rd - doesn't work.

Plus, ackerman angle, camber, steering, etc will all be messed up.

Go Dana 44 and be done.

BruceTS · 04-12-2007, 06:14 PM

Yes you can flip the axle..... you'll just have a push-pull rig...

AH64ID · 04-12-2007, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BruceTS

Yes you can flip the axle..... you'll just have a push-pull rig...

Hehe--- your own tug of war contest

Stomis · 04-12-2007, 08:30 PM

Hmmmms Tacomas have pumpkin on the opposite side of a pickup in the front?

AH64ID · 04-12-2007, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stomis

Hmmmms Tacomas have pumpkin on the opposite side of a pickup in the front?

yep... which is why the common axle for a taco SAS is a D44

bruzer1123 · 04-13-2007, 08:07 AM

check out Rob's website WATRD

http://www.watrd.com/swap/

he used a Dana 44 from an 83 wagoneer axle

yotaman · 04-21-2007, 09:46 PM

I'm all about using Toyota axles. I'm SAS'ing a 97 V6 Tacoma right now and I'm using a FJ62 front axle.

You can swap your transmission and then use a Toyota axle if you want. If you have a 4cyl you can use the W56 and if you have a V6 you can use the R151F with a R150 bell housing or a R150 trans. All of these will give you a passenger side drop.

So basically you have 3 options:

1. Swap your transmission and use a Toyota front axle.
2. Keep your transmission and buy a Diamond housing ($$$) so you can use Toyota parts.
3. Keep your transmission and use a Dana 44/60.

You can use a Marlin/Trail-Gear kit. A number of people over on Pirate4x4 and TORRA have. It's just not designed and marketed for use on Tacoma's.

I'd recommend you do a lot of reading on SASing a Tacoma before you even think about doing a SAS on a Tacoma or 96+ 4Runner, it's not as easy as SASing a pre 95 truck or 4Runner. Just a few things that are different on a Tacoma. 1. The steering. 2. The frames are weaker and need plating.

rngrchad · 05-02-2007, 06:56 AM

save youself the reading, and go check out toy4x4.com

rngrchad · 05-02-2007, 06:57 AM

oops, toy4x4.net
not .com

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KyleT Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fort Worth, TEXAS Posts: 1,087	it shouldnt matter what year it is to sas a taco, right? you are still cutting alot of stuff off the frame. __________________ - Kyle Former Owner of - 1996 Sunfire Red Metallic 4Runner Limited updated 10/31/06 OEM/TRD Lift Kit #1 from Sonoran Steel with 1 Top-out spacer - Lexus GX470 rims - 295/70r17 Nitto Terra Grapplers Yukon 4.88's, E-Locked Rear, Waiting to blow up front diff #2

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AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	I thought only allpro had a SAS kit for the taco.. a IFS eliminator kit for a 86-95 will not work on a Taco... __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

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rockota Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 742	All-Pro and Off-Road Solutions are the only two making "complete" swap kits out there. Both are Coil-overs. Front Range Off-Road Fabrication and Bent-up both make hanger kits and sell other components to help put together a Tacoma SAS.

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vwfastg60 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Longmont Colorado Posts: 725	We found a few kits. I just need to see if its possible to flip over a front axel from an 85 runner and relocate the breather to the top of the diff housing. If everything turns the same way i dont see any problems doing the swap at all. My buddy has been trying to find a used D60 but right now doesnt have the money for it. Were going to see if we can make this all happen and if so later on hes grabbing a D60. Anyone know for sure if that woks? Is there a custom housing we could use if it wont? __________________ 87 longbed, 3rz, tacoma dash, bobbed, SAS'ed, gears and more. My build----HERE More web wheeling- Just getting started so come join us Asphaltsux

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AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	I think if it were as easy as flipping the axle it would be common, and its not... You have a couple of options, inchworm, marlin and probally others have adapters to put a the xcase from a 85-95 in, giving the option of lower gears, as a well as using a 79-85 axle. You could have a custom housing made, thou if money is the issue this is the way to go... Do you really need 60's on a tacoma? I know some run them, but thats a full size axle, now your needing a 3/4 or 1 ton rear end to match the width... just a whole lot more involved, and a whole different level of wheeling.... Best bet is to get a D44 from a waggoneer, cant remember what years but could be searched, and put that under there. You can get internals for the 44 that make it plenty strong. __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

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SteveO Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NM Posts: 1,848	IF you flip the houseing, you will be putting a lot of pressure on the "Coast" side of the gears when climbing, as opposed to the "drive"s side of the gears. They were not meant to be driven this way, so you won't have the full strength of your Ring and Pinion gears as you should have; when the axle is in its proper location, or right side up. __________________ http://www.Hunt4Steve.com In the span of time, life is short. Our life is like a wave on the ocean, a flower in the field, here today and gone tomorrow. Know yourself, know where you will spend eternity, for NOTHING else will matter when you die.

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BruceTS Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,317	Yes you can flip the axle..... you'll just have a push-pull rig...

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bruzer1123 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Idaho Posts: 337	check out Rob's website WATRD http://www.watrd.com/swap/ he used a Dana 44 from an 83 wagoneer axle __________________ 1993 Pickup 22RE 4x4 5 spd. Mods: Engnbldr Street RV Head with 261 C, Trueflow air filter, custom rear bumper, roof rack, 2.25 exhaust from cat back, Thrush muffler, Rancho 5000 shocks, tiny MTRs Future Mods: Diff breathers. Rear locker? Winch? OBA? Flatbed?

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yotaman Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cumming, GA Posts: 1,188	I'm all about using Toyota axles. I'm SAS'ing a 97 V6 Tacoma right now and I'm using a FJ62 front axle. You can swap your transmission and then use a Toyota axle if you want. If you have a 4cyl you can use the W56 and if you have a V6 you can use the R151F with a R150 bell housing or a R150 trans. All of these will give you a passenger side drop. So basically you have 3 options: 1. Swap your transmission and use a Toyota front axle. 2. Keep your transmission and buy a Diamond housing ($$$) so you can use Toyota parts. 3. Keep your transmission and use a Dana 44/60. You can use a Marlin/Trail-Gear kit. A number of people over on Pirate4x4 and TORRA have. It's just not designed and marketed for use on Tacoma's. I'd recommend you do a lot of reading on SASing a Tacoma before you even think about doing a SAS on a Tacoma or 96+ 4Runner, it's not as easy as SASing a pre 95 truck or 4Runner. Just a few things that are different on a Tacoma. 1. The steering. 2. The frames are weaker and need plating. __________________ Greg Last edited by yotaman; 04-21-2007 at 09:52 PM.

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