Goodbye to my 93' Toyota pickup. Which vehicle is a good replacement?
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Anyway, don't be afraid to upgrade. These days there are better engines than the 22RE, especially if you stick with Toyota. If you grabbed a well maintained 1995-2005 Tacoma with under 100,000 miles, you can be pretty confident of 100,000+ reliable miles. Heck I pretty much plan to get that out of my truck. Bought it at 189,000 and have almost 20,000 on it so far. 'Course the fact that I tow with is probably going to shorten its life a bit...
I did manage to find a little single cab 2002 Tacoma with around 70K original miles, in good condition. It has a 2.4L engine and is 2wd. Since it's at a dealership, the sales price + dealer cost $9,400 seems pretty high for a 15 year old truck. Just wondering if it makes more sense to purchase a truck this age or go with a 2010-2012 more modern Rav4?
The Rav4 obviously has more complex mechanics and electronics, but I do not know how often these need repair and how much this sort of repair would add to the overall cost of operation.
The 2002 Toyota seems a good idea. Just curious if there are issues that may tack on cost to a truck this age, even with low miles? Does rubber break down with age? Does this affect things like engine seals?
I simply want a reliable vehicle that will function for many years and miles with few problems and would like to purchase a vehicle this weekend.
Advice is appreciated .
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I did manage to find a little single cab 2002 Tacoma with around 70K original miles, in good condition. It has a 2.4L engine and is 2wd. Since it's at a dealership, the sales price + dealer cost $9,400 seems pretty high for a 15 year old truck. Just wondering if it makes more sense to purchase a truck this age or go with a 2010-2012 more modern Rav4?
The Rav4 obviously has more complex mechanics and electronics, but I do not know how often these need repair and how much this sort of repair would add to the overall cost of operation.
The 2002 Toyota seems a good idea. Just curious if there are issues that may tack on cost to a truck this age, even with low miles? Does rubber break down with age? Does this affect things like engine seals?
I simply want a reliable vehicle that will function for many years and miles with few problems and would like to purchase a vehicle this weekend.
Advice is appreciated .
The Rav4 obviously has more complex mechanics and electronics, but I do not know how often these need repair and how much this sort of repair would add to the overall cost of operation.
The 2002 Toyota seems a good idea. Just curious if there are issues that may tack on cost to a truck this age, even with low miles? Does rubber break down with age? Does this affect things like engine seals?
I simply want a reliable vehicle that will function for many years and miles with few problems and would like to purchase a vehicle this weekend.
Advice is appreciated .
http://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/2002/...4-Cyl/Base-2WD
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Local prices vary. My truck is a 98, I bought it with 189,000 miles. Believe it or not, my friend gave me a bit of a deal at $7,000. Mine's a 4x4, and this is Montana, but that may give you some idea. You can check craigslist to see what other people are asking for something similar.
Obviously you aren't going to get the best price from a dealership, but if it's in good shape and has been looked over and maybe even has a little warranty, it's likely worth it if it's not too much more expensive than what private parties are asking.
Yes things deteriorate with age. But I was driving a 1978 Toyota pickup all over the country just a couple years ago.
You'll have to weigh those other questions. None of the options you're thinking of are "wrong". Just depends on what you want. That's the lowest power engine Toyota put in those, right? I think there was the 2.4, 2.7 and 3.4. But as a little 2wd it might not matter much, and it's what you're used to anyways.
If you're in a rush and nothing worries you about the quality and condition of that truck, I don't think you could go wrong. But obviously when it comes time for you to lay down nearly $10,000, we aren't going to tell you "yes!". Not without being there to see it personally. Hopefully you can get them to come down on the price a bit? I mean I'm sure they're shooting high on that price.
I have no experience with dealerships or haggling, but it seems like you could get the price down plus maybe some kind of warranty. I think if you show even a little resistance and ask for at least one or the other, they ought to give you some kind of deal...
From someone who knows, though...unless you really do need a vehicle soon, don't let an arbitrary, self-imposed date at which you must have a new vehicle lead you to make a rushed decision. If it's not what you want, think of waiting it out. I know when I'm looking for a vehicle, I want it now, and have rushed a decision because of that in the past. Sometimes it comes back to bite me, sometimes not...
Obviously you aren't going to get the best price from a dealership, but if it's in good shape and has been looked over and maybe even has a little warranty, it's likely worth it if it's not too much more expensive than what private parties are asking.
Yes things deteriorate with age. But I was driving a 1978 Toyota pickup all over the country just a couple years ago.
You'll have to weigh those other questions. None of the options you're thinking of are "wrong". Just depends on what you want. That's the lowest power engine Toyota put in those, right? I think there was the 2.4, 2.7 and 3.4. But as a little 2wd it might not matter much, and it's what you're used to anyways.
If you're in a rush and nothing worries you about the quality and condition of that truck, I don't think you could go wrong. But obviously when it comes time for you to lay down nearly $10,000, we aren't going to tell you "yes!". Not without being there to see it personally. Hopefully you can get them to come down on the price a bit? I mean I'm sure they're shooting high on that price.
I have no experience with dealerships or haggling, but it seems like you could get the price down plus maybe some kind of warranty. I think if you show even a little resistance and ask for at least one or the other, they ought to give you some kind of deal...
From someone who knows, though...unless you really do need a vehicle soon, don't let an arbitrary, self-imposed date at which you must have a new vehicle lead you to make a rushed decision. If it's not what you want, think of waiting it out. I know when I'm looking for a vehicle, I want it now, and have rushed a decision because of that in the past. Sometimes it comes back to bite me, sometimes not...
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So happy! Found a 2001 (nearly new) 5 speed from a private owner with only 58,000 miles. Had a full check out and compression check done. She's in great shape & has AC, so bought her today for $5k . Thanks for all the help & advice! Looking forward to another 200+K miles in my new little truck !
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3rd gen 4Runner is my go-to or maybe a 4door Tacoma. The 4door Tacoma will cost twice as much as the 4runner though. I love having the 4 doors and would rather have the rear cargo bay over the bed. You can get a good 3rd gen runner for around $6K here in Arkansas. I actually only paid four for my 02 4WD with 140K miles but that was quite a deal. North Texas, Arkansas and Tennessee are also good places to find one without rust and are a little closer to you. Also consider north Alabama and North Georgia. Just stay away from the coast and away from regions that get snow every year.
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Sure, it's a lot like my old truck, but MUCH newer & nicer . The old one never had AC or power steering/brakes. This one has all three and still has the same 5 speed manual transmission (which I love).
It has the small 4 cylinder 2.4 engine, which is fine for me.
The 2.7 engine is mentioned quite a bit in this thread but not much about the 2.4. Curious, is the 2.4 engine as good as my old 22RE?
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That's how I felt when I got my 98. Was driving a 78 before that...
As far as I know, it's better than your old engine. Nothing anyone is going to rave about. Just boring, underpowered and reliable, like the 22RE.
As far as I know, it's better than your old engine. Nothing anyone is going to rave about. Just boring, underpowered and reliable, like the 22RE.
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I found this on the internet, so it must be true...
Applications:
2RZ-FE[edit]
The 2RZ-FE and 4RB1 o 4RB2-engine Chinese is a 2.4 L (2,438 cc) version. Bore is 95 mm and stroke is 86 mm. Compression ratio is 9.5 to 1. Output is 142 hp (106 kW) at 5000 RPM with 160 lb·ft (217 N·m) of torque at 4000 RPM. This engine does not feature balance shafts. It has four valves per cylinder and DOHC. Valve adjustment is by shim over bucket.Applications:
- 1995–2004 Toyota Tacoma 4x2
- 1998–2004 Toyota Hilux
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Congrats. That should be a perfect replacement, it's basically the same good 'ole truck, just updated.
If someone were to offer me a trade between my 22re pickup and the equivalent Tacoma with 3rz, I would do it in a heartbeat. One thing for sure is that it's not only OBDII for smog, but if you get 2000 or newer the smog is just a plug-in deal. I get worried every time I take my 22re in for smog here in CA.
The 2rz is a good engine, but the 3rz blows it away (in my opinion, but perhaps it's also the difference between 5spd and auto factoring in). My inlaws have a 98 4wd/5spd with 3rz and an 03 2wd/auto with 2rz, the 4wd will run circles around the other truck.
If someone were to offer me a trade between my 22re pickup and the equivalent Tacoma with 3rz, I would do it in a heartbeat. One thing for sure is that it's not only OBDII for smog, but if you get 2000 or newer the smog is just a plug-in deal. I get worried every time I take my 22re in for smog here in CA.
The 2rz is a good engine, but the 3rz blows it away (in my opinion, but perhaps it's also the difference between 5spd and auto factoring in). My inlaws have a 98 4wd/5spd with 3rz and an 03 2wd/auto with 2rz, the 4wd will run circles around the other truck.
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The 5 speed 4 cylinder seems to have plenty of power for me. Happy with the better gas mileage. I guess the true test of reliability will come with time. The odometer is about to roll over to 60K, I'll check back here in another 200K miles if she's still on the road .
Thanks for all the advice!
Thanks for all the advice!