22RE vs. 3VZ-E
07-21-2010, 09:35 AM
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07-21-2010, 09:57 AM
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3vz vs 22re has been a discussion since the day these vehicles were manufactured...
personally, i've driven both.
Power:
Stock for stock the 3vz is way more powerful hands down. there's no comparisons on the HP/Torque output. the 3vz has 50% more power and it'll blow the doors off the 22re in any contest. me and buddy have goofed off and tested it numerous of times. no matter what the circumstances are ( from a dead stop, rolling start, etc etc ) Im car lengths in front of him in seconds. also, hes a 22re std cab and i'm a 3vz 4runner. both are 5 speeds.
Reliability:
Both are very Reliable motors. Yes, the V6 had a recall due to a faulty headgasket. Yes, the V6 requires much more tender love and care. But theres a solution to that headgasket issues... Headers
I will admit, i've had headers on my truck since 114k miles ( im at 146xxx now ) and honestly, the trucks should've come factory this way. the power out put, MPG increase, and of course, not worrying about the headgasket blowing anymore is a huge weight off anybodies shoulders. then again, im only at 146k miles. this truck has a long life ahead of it still... I realize that MOST of the people that talk about the 3vz have damn near 200-300k miles on their vehicles and they've been through alot. My maintenance schedule is:
3,000 mile oil changes
check the air filter every oil change, if dirty as hell, remove/replace
grease all mechanical parts, ( drive shafts, cv joints, etc etc )
i've been doing this since i bought the truck and document every oil change. this is the ONLY mechanical issue i've had for 3-4 years of owning the vehicle. its going in for a tune up at 150k miles
Hope this was helpful.
personally, i've driven both.
Power:
Stock for stock the 3vz is way more powerful hands down. there's no comparisons on the HP/Torque output. the 3vz has 50% more power and it'll blow the doors off the 22re in any contest. me and buddy have goofed off and tested it numerous of times. no matter what the circumstances are ( from a dead stop, rolling start, etc etc ) Im car lengths in front of him in seconds. also, hes a 22re std cab and i'm a 3vz 4runner. both are 5 speeds.
Reliability:
Both are very Reliable motors. Yes, the V6 had a recall due to a faulty headgasket. Yes, the V6 requires much more tender love and care. But theres a solution to that headgasket issues... Headers
I will admit, i've had headers on my truck since 114k miles ( im at 146xxx now ) and honestly, the trucks should've come factory this way. the power out put, MPG increase, and of course, not worrying about the headgasket blowing anymore is a huge weight off anybodies shoulders. then again, im only at 146k miles. this truck has a long life ahead of it still... I realize that MOST of the people that talk about the 3vz have damn near 200-300k miles on their vehicles and they've been through alot. My maintenance schedule is:3,000 mile oil changes
check the air filter every oil change, if dirty as hell, remove/replace
grease all mechanical parts, ( drive shafts, cv joints, etc etc )
i've been doing this since i bought the truck and document every oil change. this is the ONLY mechanical issue i've had for 3-4 years of owning the vehicle. its going in for a tune up at 150k miles
Hope this was helpful.
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07-21-2010, 10:11 AM
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sounds like both have their pro and cons, it just really depends what I need out of the truck... I'm thinking 22R-E has a bigger aftermarket crowd and thus more parts... sounds like the motor for me.
07-21-2010, 10:14 AM
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3vz vs 22re has been a discussion since the day these vehicles were manufactured...
personally, i've driven both.
Power:
Stock for stock the 3vz is way more powerful hands down. there's no comparisons on the HP/Torque output. the 3vz has 50% more power and it'll blow the doors off the 22re in any contest. me and buddy have goofed off and tested it numerous of times. no matter what the circumstances are ( from a dead stop, rolling start, etc etc ) Im car lengths in front of him in seconds. also, hes a 22re std cab and i'm a 3vz 4runner. both are 5 speeds.
Reliability:
Both are very Reliable motors. Yes, the V6 had a recall due to a faulty headgasket. Yes, the V6 requires much more tender love and care. But theres a solution to that headgasket issues... Headers I will admit, i've had headers on my truck since 114k miles ( im at 146xxx now ) and honestly, the trucks should've come factory this way. the power out put, MPG increase, and of course, not worrying about the headgasket blowing anymore is a huge weight off anybodies shoulders. then again, im only at 146k miles. this truck has a long life ahead of it still... I realize that MOST of the people that talk about the 3vz have damn near 200-300k miles on their vehicles and they've been through alot. My maintenance schedule is:
3,000 mile oil changes
check the air filter every oil change, if dirty as hell, remove/replace
grease all mechanical parts, ( drive shafts, cv joints, etc etc )
i've been doing this since i bought the truck and document every oil change. this is the ONLY mechanical issue i've had for 3-4 years of owning the vehicle. its going in for a tune up at 150k miles
Hope this was helpful.
personally, i've driven both.
Power:
Stock for stock the 3vz is way more powerful hands down. there's no comparisons on the HP/Torque output. the 3vz has 50% more power and it'll blow the doors off the 22re in any contest. me and buddy have goofed off and tested it numerous of times. no matter what the circumstances are ( from a dead stop, rolling start, etc etc ) Im car lengths in front of him in seconds. also, hes a 22re std cab and i'm a 3vz 4runner. both are 5 speeds.
Reliability:
Both are very Reliable motors. Yes, the V6 had a recall due to a faulty headgasket. Yes, the V6 requires much more tender love and care. But theres a solution to that headgasket issues... Headers
I will admit, i've had headers on my truck since 114k miles ( im at 146xxx now ) and honestly, the trucks should've come factory this way. the power out put, MPG increase, and of course, not worrying about the headgasket blowing anymore is a huge weight off anybodies shoulders. then again, im only at 146k miles. this truck has a long life ahead of it still... I realize that MOST of the people that talk about the 3vz have damn near 200-300k miles on their vehicles and they've been through alot. My maintenance schedule is:3,000 mile oil changes
check the air filter every oil change, if dirty as hell, remove/replace
grease all mechanical parts, ( drive shafts, cv joints, etc etc )
i've been doing this since i bought the truck and document every oil change. this is the ONLY mechanical issue i've had for 3-4 years of owning the vehicle. its going in for a tune up at 150k miles
Hope this was helpful.
07-21-2010, 12:58 PM
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I'd say you're wrong. I don't hear people talking about how they hate their 3vzes. I see it called the 3.slow from time to time, but I always found it humorous. Nothing wrong with slow, it is not a huge V6 after all.. and if we were comparing it to the 22re it's not really that slow.
To call the 3vze "crap" is a pretty broad statement. What do you mean by a "22re that can take abuse or an abused 3vze"? Do you mean the people who run their vehicles into the ground without maintaining them? If you don't maintain the 22re, such as the timing chain, and it breaks you are looking at some serious engine repair. Not so with the 3vze. If you set the reputation the 3vze got from the head gasket recall aside, it really is a pretty solid and unstoppable engine.
To call the 3vze "crap" is a pretty broad statement. What do you mean by a "22re that can take abuse or an abused 3vze"? Do you mean the people who run their vehicles into the ground without maintaining them? If you don't maintain the 22re, such as the timing chain, and it breaks you are looking at some serious engine repair. Not so with the 3vze. If you set the reputation the 3vze got from the head gasket recall aside, it really is a pretty solid and unstoppable engine.
"22re that can take abuse or an abused 3vze" i said i would rather have an abused 22re rather than an abused 3vze. easy to work on/ fix 22re's, simpler engine. sure they are 34hp short of a good running 3vze but i would feel allot happier with 116hp 22re that i can trust. This OP is wondering what is the best way to go and in all seriousness i cant see him liking the 3vze.
now if you want me to say something nice about a 3vze than i will lol. MaK92-4RnR has one beast 3vze lol but his has low miles, well maintained, headers and in that situation i would recommend that engine. but most people arent going to get a 3vze toyota with those low miles, with headers, and well maintained from some un know owner. like am i seriously the only one who see's this?????????????
07-21-2010, 01:05 PM
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i just dont want to see another guy buy into a toyota and then sell it because he was disappointed with the engine being junk? i have seen it happen a few times on this forum. sorry i even tried to help on this thread because apparently allot of people love there 3vze??? first time i have seen this but alright then.... if you want to hear BS then go buy a 3vze, you will love how easy it is to work on and the awesome power it has over that little old 22re!!!!! yay! is everyone happy now? if we just cover it up then it all goes away
07-21-2010, 02:20 PM
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haha i think the op would will be happy with either motor!!! can we all be friends now?!?!?! lol its kinda sad when a toyota owner is trying to prove that another toyota is a peice of crap
07-21-2010, 02:38 PM
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for anyone that wants to know.
the crossover elimination is easy as pie....well sorta lol..my engine was out of the runner getting rebuilt as i was doin all this.
take off the crossover, get a block-off plate made for the driverside manifold where the crossover attaches. (use the flange on the crossover as a template, because it only fits one way.)..in fact the exhaust shop made a good point..USE THE FLANGE off of the stock crossover (cut it off) and have a cap welded over the small piece of pipe, because then you can use a regular exhaust gasket to seal it up.
block the driverside off.
cut the flange off of the passenger side of the crossover, leave a few inches of pipe on it because you can rotate the crossover to point down, and it will give you almost the exact angle of pipe to clear everything like fuel lines, brake lines, firewall.
after you have have cut the flange off (leaving a few inches of pipe on it) get a piece of pipe welded on of whatever size you want, i picked 2.25", following the angle of the small pipe down.
after that you can have the passenger side exhaust ran underneath the tranny. it will be well protected and can tie into the driverside pipe before the O2 sensor.
that's how i'm going to have mine ran atleast, i'm wanting to run it into a dual inlet single outlet muffler, but i'm not sure if the O2 sensor will read right because it's only having half of the normal exhaust gasses flowing over it.
if anyone wants, i can post pictures everything 
back on topic.
i'm not saying the 3VZ motor is a SAINT..i'm just saying it's misunderstood, like someone else said, just because it had a recall, they automatically think that the motor is a piece of crap.
Three of the guys i work with said my 1992 toyota 4runner is a piece of $#!$ because of the recall's toyota has been having IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. it's childish really...of course they were all jeep owners who got really pissed when i said i'm getting a sticker that has the Search and Rescue symbol, that says JEEP SEARH AND RESCUE VEHICLE...i thought it was pretty great lol
the crossover elimination is easy as pie....well sorta lol..my engine was out of the runner getting rebuilt as i was doin all this.
take off the crossover, get a block-off plate made for the driverside manifold where the crossover attaches. (use the flange on the crossover as a template, because it only fits one way.)..in fact the exhaust shop made a good point..USE THE FLANGE off of the stock crossover (cut it off) and have a cap welded over the small piece of pipe, because then you can use a regular exhaust gasket to seal it up.
block the driverside off.
cut the flange off of the passenger side of the crossover, leave a few inches of pipe on it because you can rotate the crossover to point down, and it will give you almost the exact angle of pipe to clear everything like fuel lines, brake lines, firewall.
after you have have cut the flange off (leaving a few inches of pipe on it) get a piece of pipe welded on of whatever size you want, i picked 2.25", following the angle of the small pipe down.
after that you can have the passenger side exhaust ran underneath the tranny. it will be well protected and can tie into the driverside pipe before the O2 sensor.
that's how i'm going to have mine ran atleast, i'm wanting to run it into a dual inlet single outlet muffler, but i'm not sure if the O2 sensor will read right because it's only having half of the normal exhaust gasses flowing over it.
if anyone wants, i can post pictures everything
back on topic.
i'm not saying the 3VZ motor is a SAINT..i'm just saying it's misunderstood, like someone else said, just because it had a recall, they automatically think that the motor is a piece of crap.
Three of the guys i work with said my 1992 toyota 4runner is a piece of $#!$ because of the recall's toyota has been having IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. it's childish really...of course they were all jeep owners who got really pissed when i said i'm getting a sticker that has the Search and Rescue symbol, that says JEEP SEARH AND RESCUE VEHICLE...i thought it was pretty great lol
07-21-2010, 02:43 PM
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i just dont want to see another guy buy into a toyota and then sell it because he was disappointed with the engine being junk? i have seen it happen a few times on this forum. sorry i even tried to help on this thread because apparently allot of people love there 3vze??? first time i have seen this but alright then.... if you want to hear BS then go buy a 3vze, you will love how easy it is to work on and the awesome power it has over that little old 22re!!!!! yay! is everyone happy now? if we just cover it up then it all goes away
the 3vz isn't really that much of a pain to work on. remove the intake, and move the vacuum hoses out of the way, and it has just as much space from fender to motor as a 22re does
07-21-2010, 02:46 PM
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for anyone that wants to know.
the crossover elimination is easy as pie....well sorta lol..my engine was out of the runner getting rebuilt as i was doin all this.
take off the crossover, get a block-off plate made for the driverside manifold where the crossover attaches. (use the flange on the crossover as a template, because it only fits one way.)..in fact the exhaust shop made a good point..USE THE FLANGE off of the stock crossover (cut it off) and have a cap welded over the small piece of pipe, because then you can use a regular exhaust gasket to seal it up.
block the driverside off.
cut the flange off of the passenger side of the crossover, leave a few inches of pipe on it because you can rotate the crossover to point down, and it will give you almost the exact angle of pipe to clear everything like fuel lines, brake lines, firewall.
after you have have cut the flange off (leaving a few inches of pipe on it) get a piece of pipe welded on of whatever size you want, i picked 2.25", following the angle of the small pipe down.
after that you can have the passenger side exhaust ran underneath the tranny. it will be well protected and can tie into the driverside pipe before the O2 sensor.
that's how i'm going to have mine ran atleast, i'm wanting to run it into a dual inlet single outlet muffler, but i'm not sure if the O2 sensor will read right because it's only having half of the normal exhaust gasses flowing over it.
if anyone wants, i can post pictures everything
back on topic.
i'm not saying the 3VZ motor is a SAINT..i'm just saying it's misunderstood, like someone else said, just because it had a recall, they automatically think that the motor is a piece of crap.
Three of the guys i work with said my 1992 toyota 4runner is a piece of $#!$ because of the recall's toyota has been having IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. it's childish really...of course they were all jeep owners who got really pissed when i said i'm getting a sticker that has the Search and Rescue symbol, that says JEEP SEARH AND RESCUE VEHICLE...i thought it was pretty great lol
the crossover elimination is easy as pie....well sorta lol..my engine was out of the runner getting rebuilt as i was doin all this.
take off the crossover, get a block-off plate made for the driverside manifold where the crossover attaches. (use the flange on the crossover as a template, because it only fits one way.)..in fact the exhaust shop made a good point..USE THE FLANGE off of the stock crossover (cut it off) and have a cap welded over the small piece of pipe, because then you can use a regular exhaust gasket to seal it up.
block the driverside off.
cut the flange off of the passenger side of the crossover, leave a few inches of pipe on it because you can rotate the crossover to point down, and it will give you almost the exact angle of pipe to clear everything like fuel lines, brake lines, firewall.
after you have have cut the flange off (leaving a few inches of pipe on it) get a piece of pipe welded on of whatever size you want, i picked 2.25", following the angle of the small pipe down.
after that you can have the passenger side exhaust ran underneath the tranny. it will be well protected and can tie into the driverside pipe before the O2 sensor.
that's how i'm going to have mine ran atleast, i'm wanting to run it into a dual inlet single outlet muffler, but i'm not sure if the O2 sensor will read right because it's only having half of the normal exhaust gasses flowing over it.
if anyone wants, i can post pictures everything
back on topic.
i'm not saying the 3VZ motor is a SAINT..i'm just saying it's misunderstood, like someone else said, just because it had a recall, they automatically think that the motor is a piece of crap.
Three of the guys i work with said my 1992 toyota 4runner is a piece of $#!$ because of the recall's toyota has been having IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. it's childish really...of course they were all jeep owners who got really pissed when i said i'm getting a sticker that has the Search and Rescue symbol, that says JEEP SEARH AND RESCUE VEHICLE...i thought it was pretty great lol
haha 
a jeep cant talk, with headers ( or a crossover delete ) a headgasket issue is an absolute myth. besides, their inline 6 doesn't have anything on us.
07-21-2010, 02:49 PM
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nah the inline 6 isn't all that great..but it's a fun motor to play around with in an old beat down junkyard jeep lol
i think it's the 4.6L jeep inline 6 Stroker kit that actually puts down some IMPRESSIVE numbers
i think it's the 4.6L jeep inline 6 Stroker kit that actually puts down some IMPRESSIVE numbers
07-21-2010, 02:52 PM
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I personally would not buy a 22re unless it's a turbo. The 3vze is a good motor I love mine. I love how the 22re people call the 3.0 gutless and a dog even though a 22re comes no where near a 3.0 in performance.
As for the head gaskets, I see just as many 22re's with hg problems as 3.0s.
Me and my friend were racing once and my 3.0 kept up with his 2004 taco with a 3.4. He was about a car length ahead of me but we were both at WOT. So yea I love my 3.0. It's got 227k miles btw
As for the head gaskets, I see just as many 22re's with hg problems as 3.0s.
Me and my friend were racing once and my 3.0 kept up with his 2004 taco with a 3.4. He was about a car length ahead of me but we were both at WOT. So yea I love my 3.0. It's got 227k miles btw
07-21-2010, 02:54 PM
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lol backgate we cannot be friends because of this lmao jk
its not the recall factor really, its just that it was a poorly thought out engine. all im saying is that this guy should get a 22re instead of the 3vze. he will be happyer with its simplicity and overall awesomeness haha.
mak your 3.0L is dope but alot of them aren't lol. in comparison to working on a 3vze to a 22re is like loosing you keys in the dark, with the 22re you get a flashlight. its so funny when we change the oil on my friends 3vze. he calls me over so i can stick my hand up through the susp to get the oil filter off. where on my 22re i just reach in and take it off. simple. i dont want to take the intake and vacum hoses off the just do some work? but maybe thats just me? lol didnt u say mak that putting your headers on was a pain in the arse?
its not the recall factor really, its just that it was a poorly thought out engine. all im saying is that this guy should get a 22re instead of the 3vze. he will be happyer with its simplicity and overall awesomeness haha.
mak your 3.0L is dope but alot of them aren't lol. in comparison to working on a 3vze to a 22re is like loosing you keys in the dark, with the 22re you get a flashlight
. its so funny when we change the oil on my friends 3vze. he calls me over so i can stick my hand up through the susp to get the oil filter off. where on my 22re i just reach in and take it off. simple. i dont want to take the intake and vacum hoses off the just do some work? but maybe thats just me? lol didnt u say mak that putting your headers on was a pain in the arse?
07-21-2010, 02:58 PM
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lol backgate we cannot be friends because of this lmao jk
its not the recall factor really, its just that it was a poorly thought out engine. all im saying is that this guy should get a 22re instead of the 3vze. he will be happyer with its simplicity and overall awesomeness haha.
mak your 3.0L is dope but alot of them aren't lol. in comparison to working on a 3vze to a 22re is like loosing you keys in the dark, with the 22re you get a flashlight. its so funny when we change the oil on my friends 3vze. he calls me over so i can stick my hand up through the susp to get the oil filter off. where on my 22re i just reach in and take it off. simple. i dont want to take the intake and vacum hoses off the just do some work? but maybe thats just me? lol didnt u say mak that putting your headers on was a pain in the arse?
its not the recall factor really, its just that it was a poorly thought out engine. all im saying is that this guy should get a 22re instead of the 3vze. he will be happyer with its simplicity and overall awesomeness haha.
mak your 3.0L is dope but alot of them aren't lol. in comparison to working on a 3vze to a 22re is like loosing you keys in the dark, with the 22re you get a flashlight
. its so funny when we change the oil on my friends 3vze. he calls me over so i can stick my hand up through the susp to get the oil filter off. where on my 22re i just reach in and take it off. simple. i dont want to take the intake and vacum hoses off the just do some work? but maybe thats just me? lol didnt u say mak that putting your headers on was a pain in the arse?
lmaoI have some valve cover gaskets to replace... but thats fine. I have to take my intake manifold off and such. but thats fine as well. Clean the throttle body out and what not while im doing it. kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
07-21-2010, 03:07 PM
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lol mak i pulled my header and down pipe off because they messed it up, it had a billion leaks, so i re sealed it. was easy a hell lol. i havent had any thing hard to do on my 22re yet. its all very simple.
07-21-2010, 03:24 PM
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And a 3.0 that keeps up with a 3.4?
07-21-2010, 03:34 PM
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my 3.0 doesn't even keep up with my brothers stock 3.4. yes I can still see him in front of me... a couple car lengths a head of me. no more shrooms for you
07-21-2010, 03:54 PM
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haha i thank god for having a body lift. lol it makes work so much easier. lol like i dont think headers will be to much of a pain since i have a body lift haha
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I couldn't even read through this because it's all been said before.
I have had 2 4runners with the 3VZE and an auto and one with the 3VZE and manual transmission.
The first one was a 91 and it had the head gaskets replaced under the recall before I bought it with 129K miles on it. It was slow and the auto tranny kind of sucked but I never really had any issues with it.
The 2nd was a 92 with a manual tranny and only about 129K miles and this thing turned out to be a POS, It burned oil like crazy and couldn't go over 75 miles per hour. This was with a brand new short block from Toyota with 30K on it and rebuilt heads $4K + receipts from the PO.
The 3rd 4Runner I had was a 1995 Limited 3.0 with an auto tranny, this one was by far the nicest and fastest but it blew the head gaskets about 8 months and 10K miles after I owned it. The head gaskets went around 155K on this one.
I've had two 22RE 4Runner's an 87 which I sold with 222K miles on it and an 86 which I sold with 224K miles. The 86 is still running with over 290K on it now as far as I know.
Now I have a 90 22RE with 112K miles and it runs perfect. In my experience the 22re is a much better engine and I would never own another 3vze unless it was a gift.
If you have any more questions about the problems I've had with both versions of trucks send me an instant message.
I have had 2 4runners with the 3VZE and an auto and one with the 3VZE and manual transmission.
The first one was a 91 and it had the head gaskets replaced under the recall before I bought it with 129K miles on it. It was slow and the auto tranny kind of sucked but I never really had any issues with it.
The 2nd was a 92 with a manual tranny and only about 129K miles and this thing turned out to be a POS, It burned oil like crazy and couldn't go over 75 miles per hour. This was with a brand new short block from Toyota with 30K on it and rebuilt heads $4K + receipts from the PO.
The 3rd 4Runner I had was a 1995 Limited 3.0 with an auto tranny, this one was by far the nicest and fastest but it blew the head gaskets about 8 months and 10K miles after I owned it. The head gaskets went around 155K on this one.
I've had two 22RE 4Runner's an 87 which I sold with 222K miles on it and an 86 which I sold with 224K miles. The 86 is still running with over 290K on it now as far as I know.
Now I have a 90 22RE with 112K miles and it runs perfect. In my experience the 22re is a much better engine and I would never own another 3vze unless it was a gift.
If you have any more questions about the problems I've had with both versions of trucks send me an instant message.
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