Question about high output Alternators.

jagger_snitt · 08-19-2007, 07:04 PM

I'm in need of a new alternator,thought process says upgrade while your at it.
The local Toyota Guru at a local shop says he doesn't/hasn't had good luck with them,but said he does like and sell the stock ones?

What do you guys think and where/which alternator would you get?

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MMA_Alex · 08-19-2007, 07:53 PM

i went with the stock. it might be worth it with the winch, or if you had a big stereo, etc.

colsoncj · 08-19-2007, 08:07 PM

been several times ive wished i had one larger than stock, and in 40K miles im on my 3rd stock one....

dont know where to get a better one, i figured on waiting til i swap a 302 and deal with it then.

jagger_snitt · 08-20-2007, 05:23 AM

Thanks guys,wow 3rd one! I've found a few places to to buy some but I just was curious to everyone's luck with them. I don't want to spend $300 on a Hi - output alternator that just lasts 40k.

tulsa_97SR5 · 08-20-2007, 06:51 AM

I think it'd be ideal to find another toyota alt that could be used without too much custom bracket work. Searching around the other day it looks like newer camry's have 100amp alt's, highlanders use 100 or 120 amp units, the tundra's and sequoia's even bigger. The camry unit is interesting to me just because there have to be a friggin ton of them out there, found a bunch for $50 on car-part.com. I guess I should just get one and see how different the size, mounting, wiring all are.

Pest · 08-20-2007, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jagger_snitt

Thanks guys,wow 3rd one! I've found a few places to to buy some but I just was curious to everyone's luck with them. I don't want to spend $300 on a Hi - output alternator that just lasts 40k.

I think he meant it's his 3rd Stock Alternator, and that he was wishing he'd gone with the high output.

ewong · 08-20-2007, 06:58 AM

There are are few options

If you have a NON AC motor - get the alt from an AC one
22RE I think that bumps ya from 40amp to 60amp

Then there is the MR2 swap - I think that nets ya 80amp?

THen you can get
a rewound alt in a stock case
a GM case adapted to 22RE
HiPo NipponDneso Alt (OEM)

Im running a $$ 130amp NipponDenso alt...

wrangler power products

tc · 08-20-2007, 07:03 AM

Send yours to Boyle Future Tech in California to be rebuilt.

Molly and I have both had ours done, and they are AWESOME. For $118 including return shipping, they upgraded mine to like 140A, making 60A at idle (which is more important for our trucks)

jagger_snitt · 08-20-2007, 07:09 AM

Thanks Tc and Ewong that is what I needed to know.

Hey Tc do you have any contact info for Boyle Future Tech?
Thanks again!

colsoncj · 08-20-2007, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pest

I think he meant it's his 3rd Stock Alternator, and that he was wishing he'd gone with the high output.

Yes, I meant im on my 3rd stock one... 1 of them died from overstressing is my assumption, the other 2 died from bearing failure. Whenever I address this, I'm going to mount it up as high as possible, I think muddy water killed one of them.

And I do wish I had a higher output.

ewong · 08-20-2007, 07:20 AM

The problem with most "hipo" alternators is the same problem with HiPo motors..

The items sell on "Peak HP" or int he case of alternators - 200amps!!!!

BUT the reality is 200amps do you no good is the alternator only puts out 200amps when the MOTOR is spinning at 5600rpm...

So - what you need is a DECENT idle performacne and amps at say 2500rpm on the motor (fast idle to rcharge the batt when winching)...

That can be done but its expensive (I think is more windings with a thinner wire = more copper = more labor to wind = more $$$ )

TANSTAAFL

tc · 08-20-2007, 08:50 AM

Boyle Future Technology
12325 Locksley Lane, Auburn, CA 95602
phone: (530) 888-6290

ewong - Boyle will build it however you ask him for the same price. He had to try a few different setups to see what was best for mine. They provide a "cert" showing the output at various RPM's

wardriver · 08-20-2007, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tc

Boyle Future Technology
12325 Locksley Lane, Auburn, CA 95602
phone: (530) 888-6290

Something tells me he is about to get a flood of calls about reworking a stock Toyota alternators.

Ringmaster · 08-20-2007, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardriver

Something tells me he is about to get a flood of calls about reworking a stock Toyota alternators.

No doubt!

ewong · 08-20-2007, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tc

ewong - Boyle will build it however you ask him for the same price. He had to try a few different setups to see what was best for mine. They provide a "cert" showing the output at various RPM's

Sorry - I didnt mean to imply that Boyle was not reputable...

I was responding to the OP's comment that the Yota Tech calims to not have had god luck with hipo rebuilds.

Like anything else - you tend to get what you pay for.

gixxerjesse · 08-20-2007, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardriver

Something tells me he is about to get a flood of calls about reworking a stock Toyota alternators.

i think he tends to stay fairly busy his name is out there as one of the best places to go and so far i have not found any bad reveiws about him. and if anyone has seen TC's truck in person you will be able to figure he needs alot of juice on the trails esspicially with those light force lights, basicly the power of 2 suns on the front of the truck.

tc · 08-20-2007, 03:38 PM

Actually, the 8 - 55W rock lights are what necessitated the need for the upgraded alternator after the truck died coming down Moab Rim ....

jagger_snitt · 08-21-2007, 07:51 AM

Thanks TC

TNRabbit · 08-21-2007, 09:11 AM

I used Boyle for the 135 amp upgrade to my stock Yota alternator and LOVE IT! It came back looking brand new and works great!

gixxerjesse · 08-21-2007, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tc

Actually, the 8 - 55W rock lights are what necessitated the need for the upgraded alternator after the truck died coming down Moab Rim ....

all i am saying is when you turned the light forces on in the middle of the trail at night when i wasn't thinking about it i got spots on my eyes for a while

olharleyman · 08-21-2007, 12:06 PM

Has anyone heard of ACE ALTERNATORS they have a 160 amp and they tell me it puts out 70 at idle and at 1200 it is full on 160. Comes with a 1 year warrenty and it 155.00 bucks shipped from coast to coast (cali to maryland)

tc · 08-21-2007, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixxerjesse

all i am saying is when you turned the light forces on in the middle of the trail at night when i wasn't thinking about it i got spots on my eyes for a while

Yeah, a million candlepower each will do that LOL

homewrecka · 08-21-2007, 05:37 PM

Does Boyle have a website? I did a search and it came out unsuccesful. More info please. Thank you.
Mike

homewrecka · 08-21-2007, 05:48 PM

In the past, I ordered a hi amp alternator from Mr. Alternator. The alternator was 150 amps and the price was not that outrageous. I needed the alternator for my CB radio setup. The alternator held up very well! The only thing was that the plug for the alternator was badly worn and didn't charge up after awhile. Soooo, I took out the alternator and put in a stock alternator and when it did not charge up, I realized then that it was the wire/ plug and so the 150 went back in.

Mechanical Man is another place that I have heard of. Their alternators have a 'hot' rating as other companies rate their products 'cold'

Just my 2 cents...
Mike

Jerm · 08-21-2007, 07:26 PM

http://toyota.off-road.com/toyota/ar....jsp?id=186492
http://www.yotatech.com/f116/stronge...rnator-100839/
Those links were helpful for me.

08-19-2007, 08:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
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08-20-2007, 05:23 AM	#4 (permalink)
jagger_snitt Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cleveland,Tn Posts: 368	Thanks guys,wow 3rd one! I've found a few places to to buy some but I just was curious to everyone's luck with them. I don't want to spend $300 on a Hi - output alternator that just lasts 40k. __________________ "The Black Death" (DD)1988 4Runner 22RE 5Spd,StreetRvHead,261c Crawler cam,hi-output alt,35" BFG MTs,Optima Red Top. SAW 25mm T Bars,4Crawler BJ spacers,Tuff country 3" add-a-leaves,4.88 gears.Need 7.5 4.88 gears/thirdmember! PM ME!!! "The Silver Death"1987 4Runner SR5,22RE 5spd,4Crawler Short Throw Shifters T-cases and 5Spd,SAS,MC Dual cases,4.88s and detroits front and rear,Allpro Tripple-X transfer case mt w/drivetrain E-brake,TG rock sliders,3"susp,3"body.35" Maxxis Big Horn MTs

08-20-2007, 06:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
tulsa_97SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: tulsa, OK Posts: 1,329	I think it'd be ideal to find another toyota alt that could be used without too much custom bracket work. Searching around the other day it looks like newer camry's have 100amp alt's, highlanders use 100 or 120 amp units, the tundra's and sequoia's even bigger. The camry unit is interesting to me just because there have to be a friggin ton of them out there, found a bunch for $50 on car-part.com. I guess I should just get one and see how different the size, mounting, wiring all are. __________________ Brian 85 sr5, 5spd - back on the road, doing DD duty for now 86 2wd reg cab - future project 90 sr5, 97 - gone

08-20-2007, 07:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,363	Send yours to Boyle Future Tech in California to be rebuilt. Molly and I have both had ours done, and they are AWESOME. For $118 including return shipping, they upgraded mine to like 140A, making 60A at idle (which is more important for our trucks) __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

08-20-2007, 07:09 AM	#9 (permalink)
jagger_snitt Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cleveland,Tn Posts: 368	Thanks Tc and Ewong that is what I needed to know. Hey Tc do you have any contact info for Boyle Future Tech? Thanks again! __________________ "The Black Death" (DD)1988 4Runner 22RE 5Spd,StreetRvHead,261c Crawler cam,hi-output alt,35" BFG MTs,Optima Red Top. SAW 25mm T Bars,4Crawler BJ spacers,Tuff country 3" add-a-leaves,4.88 gears.Need 7.5 4.88 gears/thirdmember! PM ME!!! "The Silver Death"1987 4Runner SR5,22RE 5spd,4Crawler Short Throw Shifters T-cases and 5Spd,SAS,MC Dual cases,4.88s and detroits front and rear,Allpro Tripple-X transfer case mt w/drivetrain E-brake,TG rock sliders,3"susp,3"body.35" Maxxis Big Horn MTs Last edited by jagger_snitt; 08-20-2007 at 07:12 AM.

08-19-2007, 07:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
MMA_Alex Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Downeast, ME/Rochester, NY Posts: 1,421	i went with the stock. it might be worth it with the winch, or if you had a big stereo, etc.

08-20-2007, 06:58 AM	#7 (permalink)
ewong Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Philly PA Posts: 1,290	There are are few options If you have a NON AC motor - get the alt from an AC one 22RE I think that bumps ya from 40amp to 60amp Then there is the MR2 swap - I think that nets ya 80amp? THen you can get a rewound alt in a stock case a GM case adapted to 22RE HiPo NipponDneso Alt (OEM) Im running a $$ 130amp NipponDenso alt... wrangler power products

08-20-2007, 07:20 AM	#11 (permalink)
ewong Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Philly PA Posts: 1,290	The problem with most "hipo" alternators is the same problem with HiPo motors.. The items sell on "Peak HP" or int he case of alternators - 200amps!!!! BUT the reality is 200amps do you no good is the alternator only puts out 200amps when the MOTOR is spinning at 5600rpm... So - what you need is a DECENT idle performacne and amps at say 2500rpm on the motor (fast idle to rcharge the batt when winching)... That can be done but its expensive (I think is more windings with a thinner wire = more copper = more labor to wind = more $$$ ) TANSTAAFL

08-20-2007, 08:50 AM	#12 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,363	Boyle Future Technology 12325 Locksley Lane, Auburn, CA 95602 phone: (530) 888-6290 ewong - Boyle will build it however you ask him for the same price. He had to try a few different setups to see what was best for mine. They provide a "cert" showing the output at various RPM's __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

08-20-2007, 03:38 PM	#17 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,363	Actually, the 8 - 55W rock lights are what necessitated the need for the upgraded alternator after the truck died coming down Moab Rim .... __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

08-21-2007, 07:51 AM	#18 (permalink)
jagger_snitt Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cleveland,Tn Posts: 368	Thanks TC __________________ "The Black Death" (DD)1988 4Runner 22RE 5Spd,StreetRvHead,261c Crawler cam,hi-output alt,35" BFG MTs,Optima Red Top. SAW 25mm T Bars,4Crawler BJ spacers,Tuff country 3" add-a-leaves,4.88 gears.Need 7.5 4.88 gears/thirdmember! PM ME!!! "The Silver Death"1987 4Runner SR5,22RE 5spd,4Crawler Short Throw Shifters T-cases and 5Spd,SAS,MC Dual cases,4.88s and detroits front and rear,Allpro Tripple-X transfer case mt w/drivetrain E-brake,TG rock sliders,3"susp,3"body.35" Maxxis Big Horn MTs

08-21-2007, 12:06 PM	#21 (permalink)
olharleyman Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: maryland Posts: 3,289	Has anyone heard of ACE ALTERNATORS they have a 160 amp and they tell me it puts out 70 at idle and at 1200 it is full on 160. Comes with a 1 year warrenty and it 155.00 bucks shipped from coast to coast (cali to maryland) __________________ 1990 4 runner 5 Speed Pro Comp Stage II 4" Lift 6" coils rear Aussie Locker front 5.29's Front And Rear 35 x 12.5 x 15 MT's Micky Thompson Classic II Wheels Super Charged 3.4 on the way 1993 SAS 4runner 22re 5 speed 4" front 5"rear 5.29's 35 x 12.5 BFG KM'S Dick cepek DC 1's 88 stock 4runner 3.0 auto for now 1955 Harley Davidson Springer Stock 1955 Hardtail Frame 4 Speed Kick Start Only 1998 Harley Custom Dresser 107 rwhp 139 ft.lbs.trq.

08-21-2007, 05:37 PM	#23 (permalink)
homewrecka Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 52	Does Boyle have a website? I did a search and it came out unsuccesful. More info please. Thank you. Mike __________________ Mike Aiea, Hawaii 1989 Toyota 4Runner 4 Inch Pro Comp Suspension Lift 33 x 12.5 Pro Comp Mud Terrains 15 x 10 Inch American Racing 589 Rims For now...

08-21-2007, 05:48 PM	#24 (permalink)
homewrecka Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 52	In the past, I ordered a hi amp alternator from Mr. Alternator. The alternator was 150 amps and the price was not that outrageous. I needed the alternator for my CB radio setup. The alternator held up very well! The only thing was that the plug for the alternator was badly worn and didn't charge up after awhile. Soooo, I took out the alternator and put in a stock alternator and when it did not charge up, I realized then that it was the wire/ plug and so the 150 went back in. Mechanical Man is another place that I have heard of. Their alternators have a 'hot' rating as other companies rate their products 'cold' Just my 2 cents... Mike __________________ Mike Aiea, Hawaii 1989 Toyota 4Runner 4 Inch Pro Comp Suspension Lift 33 x 12.5 Pro Comp Mud Terrains 15 x 10 Inch American Racing 589 Rims For now...

08-21-2007, 07:26 PM	#25 (permalink)
Jerm Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nebraska Posts: 157	http://toyota.off-road.com/toyota/ar....jsp?id=186492 http://www.yotatech.com/f116/stronge...rnator-100839/ Those links were helpful for me. __________________ Just my thought. 96 4runner SR5, 3.4, Auto, B&M trans cooler, H4 H.I.D. conversion Sway-A-Way/O.M.E.

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