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Old 07-05-2008, 06:36 AM
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ok heres a question v6

got my engine alllll back together and in. tried starting her and she just turns over, i do smell gas and i checked for spark, its there and i can hear it suckin air from the k&n cleaner, but she wont fire, nows where it gets tricky, if i keep on starting it and dont let off the key she will start up but die unless i gun it and even then it has no real power, if i let up, she dies. tried timing her again checked for spark again and its all there..... this one is kickin my butt
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got all your vac and intake hoses plumbed ? these motors need thier vacuum
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Could be flooded. You shouldn't 'smell gas' in a closed EFI system like that.

Pop a spark plug off and check the cylinder for gas. Have you turned the distributor cap a bit?
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Originally Posted by swaycleveland
got all your vac and intake hoses plumbed ? these motors need thier vacuum
i have one vacuum hose that i need to plumb, will do that now. thanks
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Could be flooded. You shouldn't 'smell gas' in a closed EFI system like that.

Pop a spark plug off and check the cylinder for gas. Have you turned the distributor cap a bit?
i smell the gas out the back o
f the exhaust, so its not burning it
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make sure all your ground wires are hooked up, go back through with a fine tooth comb and visually check that everything is plugged in and you don't have any extra plugs hanging. try grounding the fuel pump wire going to the AFM to see if that helps
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Make sure your (AFM) air flow meter is infact hooked up.
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cam timing, ignition timing, valve adjustments, vacuum leaks
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timing, vacuum leaks, electrical hook ups and grounds... gonna check on it all in a bit. thanks for the help guys
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ok heres what i got, i replaced all the vacuum hoses with new hose and checked all elec hook ups, seem to be fine and tight, checked grounds on block, head, intake and mototr mount, all tight. so i read through yotatech here and found out maybe i should check for codes, so i did, and found i have a code 51, hmmmmm switch signal???? a/c switch, tps, or ecu??? ut ohhh what now?????
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clear the code by disconnecting the battery then try to start it again. if it won't start, try pulling codes again and see what comes up.
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Originally Posted by abecedarian
clear the code by disconnecting the battery then try to start it again. if it won't start, try pulling codes again and see what comes up.
i'll do that now
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i disconnected the battery and tested for codes without trying to start it first and i still have a 51, do i need to disconnect both terminals for a longer time, i only did it for about 20 seconds?
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I'd say a minute or two is sufficient. and you should only have to disconnect one cable.
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Originally Posted by abecedarian
I'd say a minute or two is sufficient. and you should only have to disconnect one cable.
i'll go try again
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this code will not erase, i disconnected the entire battery for 2 minutes and turned the ignition to the on pos and then installed the jumper wire and BAM code 51
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okies... is the throttle position sensor connected? are all the plugs connected? is there anything you may have forgotten to connect? speed sensor? a/c solenoids? those three things share code 51.
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Originally Posted by abecedarian
okies... is the throttle position sensor connected? are all the plugs connected? is there anything you may have forgotten to connect? speed sensor? a/c solenoids? those three things share code 51.
i see no loose or disconnected wires, wth? i know thats what it is, but i cant find it. im gonna go check all the a/c wires reaaaalllll quick. tps is hooked up and i didnt think i had speed sensors, hmm i'll check the trans too
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by the way, there is only one wire to the compressor, correct?
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this is the fricken wierdest thing i've run ito. she wants ta start, but wont. and i have no fricken idea where the a/c amplifier is, so i cant check that, but will that kill and engine so it wont start, im guessin yes
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the AC compressor or speed sensor shouldnt stop the engine from starting. the TPS will, as will some of the other sensors including the AFM. in your case this truly sounds like a timing issue, you used a timing light to verify that it is at specifications? do you have the plug wires on correctly, are you certain that you aligned the cam and crank correctly before installing the timing chain?


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