The engine cranks but wont turn over. ATTENTION MECHANICS!?
10-21-2009, 06:19 PM
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Its actually a 3vze 3.0l.... the 3vzfe was in camry's I believe...and I still think the timing is off... Someone that has never done a t-belt on these motors would almost certainly get it 1-2 teeth off on the first try, and if they didnt spin it over a couple times by hand to make sure the marks still lined up.....it prolly wasnt done right.
He looked on the bottem of where the timing belt is and there are numbers. he compared them to the sticker under the hood giving the timing belt specs. he said the bottem numbers matched up but he still has to take the plastic cover off and look and match the top notches up with the right timing numbers (given on the sticker under the hood)
I asked this guy if he has done timing belts before and he shook his head yea! and said it is a pain but he's done many and they all suck to work on. But i have confidence in him.
raydouble: you are very right. thank you! My mistake. ill take a picture and try to post it.
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10-21-2009, 06:42 PM
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Well, theAuthority, he did say that the oil was up in the cylinders or pistons.
Dumb question for you: are cylinders pistons? or are they seperate parts?
10-21-2009, 06:52 PM
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A cylinder is a hollow cylinder that the piston fits inside, V6 would basically mean 6 cylinders in a V configuration which means 3 cylinders on each side of the "V". The piston is a cylindrical object inside the cylinder that moves up and down and is attached to a rod that is attached to the crank shaft. Most car engines (like your's) are 4-stroke which means the piston moves down up down up (each up or down movement is one stroke) to complete one full cycle. It starts by moving down to draw the fuel-air mixture into the cylinder, then up to compress the fuel-air mixture inside the cylinder, down when the mixture is ignited and explodes which forces the piston down and drives the crank shaft, which in turn drives some gears and other shafts/axles and finally your wheels, up one more time to push out exhaust gases and then it starts the cycle over again.
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10-29-2009, 06:42 PM
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We all love happy endings!!
Well for those of you that offered your help, I thought you'd like to know the outcome:
The guy that offered to fix my truck free was generously compensated since he is, to date, the most competent mechanic ever!
He stuck to his belief (and some of yours on this forum) that the timing belt was the reason for the engine not starting. That was just the case, he made me call my friend who worked on the water pump and showed him exactly how to put it right. He showed us the factory lines that they make so those pullys dont move. He explained that even though they are bolted, the pressure in some air valve moved the pulleys off place. And even though the notches didnt move, the pulleys did. He also found and cleaned oil out of the air intake due to having too much oil on the engine...he also diagnosed the barrings on the water pump bracket fan assembly as being shot (below).
After that was fixed and the engine turned over....we heard the horrible clanking sound when I'd started it while it was stalling, not overheating (pre- water pump) was really a bracket that goes over the water pump, it had broken barrings and was clanking/scraping metal shavings. We ended up pulling the part and going to a car yard to find it. Autozone, napa, and all other local places I called didn't carry it.
http://sd.autohausaz.com/autohausaz/...792~~8@4Runner, 3.0 V6, 4WD&category=water pump&part=240953@Water Pump Mount Kit
first on on the list (copy and paste if link doesn't work)
As for the idiot who diagnosed the water pump in the first place (a guy I called who charges $50 for a 5 minute diagnosis, and $5-650 for the installment) ....the orriginal water pump was fine. it was that bracket that is part of the fan assembly kit. i would have wasted that much if I had hired him to do the job...and the wrong job.
I still have the same boyfriend. we are still computer people, not car people.
I now have a fully functional, runs better than ever 1994 Toyota 4runner, all new CV boots, all new breaks, new catalytic converter, new battery/cables, new spark plugs, cap and roter, new oil, fully cleaned and flushed/cleaned cooling system, new water pump and thermostat, all new tires slightly oversized (the rims were oversized when i bought it in 2006), new fuel filter, oil filter, a couple new hoses. Its almost out of gas tho. But I bought a new gas can recently. LOL. Further, the K&N air intake filter has been cleaned thoroughly. $1859 later (Aug 09 - Oct 09)...it runs like a gem. I truely love my truck, 4runners rock.
Thanks to all who helpped.
The guy that offered to fix my truck free was generously compensated since he is, to date, the most competent mechanic ever!
He stuck to his belief (and some of yours on this forum) that the timing belt was the reason for the engine not starting. That was just the case, he made me call my friend who worked on the water pump and showed him exactly how to put it right. He showed us the factory lines that they make so those pullys dont move. He explained that even though they are bolted, the pressure in some air valve moved the pulleys off place. And even though the notches didnt move, the pulleys did. He also found and cleaned oil out of the air intake due to having too much oil on the engine...he also diagnosed the barrings on the water pump bracket fan assembly as being shot (below).
After that was fixed and the engine turned over....we heard the horrible clanking sound when I'd started it while it was stalling, not overheating (pre- water pump) was really a bracket that goes over the water pump, it had broken barrings and was clanking/scraping metal shavings. We ended up pulling the part and going to a car yard to find it. Autozone, napa, and all other local places I called didn't carry it.
http://sd.autohausaz.com/autohausaz/...792~~8@4Runner, 3.0 V6, 4WD&category=water pump&part=240953@Water Pump Mount Kit
first on on the list (copy and paste if link doesn't work)
As for the idiot who diagnosed the water pump in the first place (a guy I called who charges $50 for a 5 minute diagnosis, and $5-650 for the installment) ....the orriginal water pump was fine. it was that bracket that is part of the fan assembly kit. i would have wasted that much if I had hired him to do the job...and the wrong job.
I still have the same boyfriend. we are still computer people, not car people.
I now have a fully functional, runs better than ever 1994 Toyota 4runner, all new CV boots, all new breaks, new catalytic converter, new battery/cables, new spark plugs, cap and roter, new oil, fully cleaned and flushed/cleaned cooling system, new water pump and thermostat, all new tires slightly oversized (the rims were oversized when i bought it in 2006), new fuel filter, oil filter, a couple new hoses. Its almost out of gas tho. But I bought a new gas can recently. LOL. Further, the K&N air intake filter has been cleaned thoroughly. $1859 later (Aug 09 - Oct 09)...it runs like a gem. I truely love my truck, 4runners rock.
Thanks to all who helpped.
10-29-2009, 07:11 PM
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WOW..just read the thread..and im sorry you had to put up with those DOUCHEBAGS...
you guys could've at least said you're sorry for being A-holes....jeez..
im sorry that you had to endure that..lmao
you guys could've at least said you're sorry for being A-holes....jeez..
im sorry that you had to endure that..lmao
10-29-2009, 10:04 PM
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10-29-2009, 10:18 PM
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A cylinder is a hollow cylinder that the piston fits inside, V6 would basically mean 6 cylinders in a V configuration which means 3 cylinders on each side of the "V". The piston is a cylindrical object inside the cylinder that moves up and down and is attached to a rod that is attached to the crank shaft. Most car engines (like your's) are 4-stroke which means the piston moves down up down up (each up or down movement is one stroke) to complete one full cycle. It starts by moving down to draw the fuel-air mixture into the cylinder, then up to compress the fuel-air mixture inside the cylinder, down when the mixture is ignited and explodes which forces the piston down and drives the crank shaft, which in turn drives some gears and other shafts/axles and finally your wheels, up one more time to push out exhaust gases and then it starts the cycle over again.
10-29-2009, 11:56 PM
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10-30-2009, 10:42 AM
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I just skimmed this thread and wow, just wow. Can't believe all you went through on this thing. Just glad you got it going.
I'm in IT as well and car's actually got me into this work. I like taking things apart and computers are fun. So I went to school and now I'm all smart and nat.
I'm in IT as well and car's actually got me into this work. I like taking things apart and computers are fun. So I went to school and now I'm all smart and nat.
10-30-2009, 10:55 AM
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isnt it? sorry you can't read my expressive thoughts. I'm an avid reader and figure that everone reads like me.
most guys do not appreciate a million words for a couple thoughts...just the way i am i guess.
Anyways...no luck needed. It worked out fine and my truck is working agin.
most guys do not appreciate a million words for a couple thoughts...just the way i am i guess.
Anyways...no luck needed. It worked out fine and my truck is working agin.
10-30-2009, 10:59 AM
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I just skimmed this thread and wow, just wow. Can't believe all you went through on this thing. Just glad you got it going.
I'm in IT as well and car's actually got me into this work. I like taking things apart and computers are fun. So I went to school and now I'm all smart and nat.
I'm in IT as well and car's actually got me into this work. I like taking things apart and computers are fun. So I went to school and now I'm all smart and nat.
