broyota

Does the carbureted 22r have anything over the EFI one? I have driven both, and it seems the only difference is the carbureted one takes more cranking to start, and 2 hits of the gas pedal when its cold. Other than that, I don't notice any difference. The EFI one I drove lost power just the same when I hit 5500 ft elevation. I know the EFI ones aren't as cranky on extreme angles, but I don't rock crawl with my truck.

peow130

It has less HP and torque IIRC.
Plus, it's a carb, so less electronic failures to worry about...

toyota4x4907

22R: 96 hp at 4800 rpm, 129 ft/lb of torque at 2800 rpm
22R-E: 112 hp at 4800 rpm, 142 ft/lb of torque at 2800 rpm

22R has less electrical systems to fail, but more vacuum related ones. 22re has more power, better fuel mileage and better (usually) cold starting, in extremes.
IMO, it seems there are less problems with the 22RE than the 22r. Carbs seem to act up a lot, whereas the 22RE's ECM seems to correct itself mostly, or at least let you know whats wrong (CEL)

broyota

Mines an 86 22r, and doesn't even have a CEL. My friends think I should convert it to EFI, but I think it would be easier to find one that is already EFI, rather than try and convert it. I just rebuilt the carb on mine, and checked the vacuum (18 in hg), and it seems to do OK.

peow130

True about the vacuum lines.
And MPG is down like 5MPG from EFI.
I wouldn't convert to EFI, why fix what isn't broken? especially if you don't rock crawl.
you would just be doing a ton of work for 16 more HP and 13 Ft. lb's...

broyota

From what I have heard, the straight axle carb'ed ones get between 15-17mpg.

peow130

if you drive nice and easy, and have near stock size tires like me, you can get like 20mpg.
that's about it though.

broyota

20 is about all I have seen from the EFI ones also. Maybe 22.

camo31_10.50

out on the interstate i get around 20mpg's or so..around town is ALOT less for some reason..lol..but as long as i keep it at 70mph and around 3000rpm it does great..and my carb needs to be rebuilt..

the MPG difference isnt 5mpg..its more like 1 or 2..sometimes 3..

and you'd be suprised what that little extra horsepower and torque will help with pulling those hills..

i would personally love to have a 22REC..lol..but i better keep dreamin..they are rare..

but i did find a tacoma around here somewhere that had a turbo'd 3rz in it..and that thing would haul some freakin A$$

toyota4x4907

I get anywhere from 12 to 20 mpg city with my '95 4runner 22re 5spd 4x4, 31x10.5s and 4.10 gearing. It weighs 4500+ lbs. I get 12 when I do 4.5K-5K rpm revs and stay in 3rd for cruising, and around 18-20 if I keep it under 3500 rpm. On the hwy, I constantly get in the mid-20s doing 60-65 (speed limit 65 on the "interstate")

peow130

i was under the impression that the efi versions got around 25mpg...
oh well.
Why would you want the california emissions version?

broyota

Not even the turbo diesel ones get 25. I was going to buy a blown V6 4runner a couple years ago and put a 2L-TE in it (with hopes of 25-28 mpg, and clattering awesomeness), but I test drove one, and found from its owner that they only get 20 mpg all around. It was slow off the line, but kept up with traffic well (at 65-70 mph). If I do any conversions, it is going to be doing a toyota diesel swap.

I know the trucks weigh a lot less than the 4runners (especially the 84-88 uber base model ones with power nothing)

85TurboRunner

I would say they weigh a lot less then the 4runner. They couldn't have been more then 300lbs heavier, topper seats and rool bar, other then that there wasn't much different].

flyingbrass

My carbed '86 pickup averaged a solid 21 MPG for years before it burned a valve. Mileage only varied from about 20.5 to 22 between city and highway, though I'm easy on the throttle. That was even when hauling a few hundred pounds of camping/prospecting gear. Tires have always been one notch above stock: 235/75.

Even with a screwed valve it got about 17 MPG a few months ago on a 200+ mile trip of combined highway and offroad driving.

I'm not a rock crawler, but I've been up and down fairly steep hills and tipped sideways to within a hair of rolling over. It has never stalled or had any other problems off road from being carbureted. Actually, I'm amazed how well the carb has performed.

For those into more extreme wheeling, a few simple mods can be made that will supposedly allow an Aisin carbed vehicle to run standing on its rear bumper: add a fuel pressure regulator and a bowl overflow tube. Maybe lower the float level slightly.

At times I wish I had EFI. I'm about to pull this motor to rebuild, and I have more spaghetti and emission gadgets to contend with than the EFI folks. A lot of junk piled up by the later carb years, and I live where I can't take it off.

yoterr

yeah im lost on the 22rec too? unless he meant a 22ret? he talked about a turboed 3rz...so maybe....lmao and theres only like 4 vac lines on a carb when you dont have egr, ohhh yeah and i can get rid of that stuff without an annoying cel

camo31_10.50

well on the plate on the firewall of a TURBO TOYOTA will say 22REC meaning its turbo'd...other people have gave it the name of 22RET...

i never said anything about cali 22re's....

all of the 22re's around my parts get between 20-23 on the highway..
amd between 17-20 in town..(some guys have a heavy right foot)

i cant believe you guys didnt know that the 22REC was the Turbo'd 22RE...

yoterr

hermmm, never really cruised around the turbo'd forum and ive only seen them referred to as RET's.....even when their for sale n stuff.. i was gonna get one from NY for 600 but shipping was also gonna be 600 lmao

broyota

22res aren't rare where I am at. There are more of the 89-95 trucks running around than the 84-88 ones, and all of those are 22re.

yoterr

well i just tried to confirm by searching ebay really quick...and uhhh yeah 22rec yeilded nothing but the usually 22r stuff....and 22ret came up with used turbo manifolds, intake pipes new turbos turbo injectors sooooooooooooooo i dunno im pretty sure the 22rec is the cali guy o_0

broyota

The "C" stands for california emissions. The "E" stands for efi, and the "T" stands for turbo charged.

The turbo 22r is known as the 22R-TE. Just the same as the turbo celicas engine is known as the 3S-GTE (the G stands for wide angle DOHC). The F in 5VZ-FE stands for narrow angle DOHC.

Toyota uses the same naming system for all its engines.

22= revision of the engine, R=engine family.

Same goes for the diesel engines as well (1KZ-T)