2nd gen bed on 1st gen

4x4YOTA · 10-03-2008, 08:13 PM

has anyone put a 2nd gen bed on a first gen pick up ?
my bed on my 83 is crappy the previous owner did a terrible bob on it and its all rusty and I want to replace it but there are no 1st gens anywhere near me but alot of 2nd and 3rd gens. I also want the 2nd gen bed cuz they have a lot more options for toppers. so I was wonder what is required to mount a 2nd gen bed on my 1st gen ?

any pics please

Al's Chop Shop · 10-04-2008, 03:58 PM

i've seen them and IMO they look goofy with squared wheel wells in back not matching the round wells up front. but it seems they are close, if not a direct bolt up.

Al

krazykustomyota · 10-04-2008, 04:13 PM

no they don't fit, you have to dill a hole.that's what i had to do to mine

4x4YOTA · 10-04-2008, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krazykustomyota

no they don't fit, you have to dill a hole.that's what i had to do to mine

any pics?

gsb15 · 10-05-2008, 02:29 AM

they fit, front 2 mounts are slightly differnt because on the second gen frame all front the mounts are attaced to the frame, where as the first gen has 2 mounts rise up from the frame and 2 that drop from the box. if that makes sense
body lines are a bit differnt but you dont notice too bad

heres some of my '83. box is off an '86

4x4YOTA · 10-05-2008, 10:32 AM

looks good...

then maybe Ill put on some fender flares to make the wheel wells kinda match

4x4YOTA · 10-05-2008, 10:28 PM

how about the fuel filler pocket does it still work normal or did you have to modify it?

gsb15 · 10-05-2008, 10:42 PM

fuel filler lines up

83 · 10-06-2008, 07:13 AM

Are you sure that's an '86? I thought they stopped using the bed hooks you've got in maybe 85.. I know my 86 had a "normal" bed, with the lip on the inside, instead of the outside, and no utility hooks. Doesn't really matter, just curious.

gsb15 · 10-06-2008, 02:18 PM

those hooks where welded on afterwords

rowdy235 · 10-06-2008, 04:16 PM

and IIRC only 89+ had the lip on the inside, though some of the 84-88 didn't have hooks

ocdropzone · 10-06-2008, 06:12 PM

There were domestic and import beds...forget which one had the lip. My old '84 was stock w/o the lip, but the replacement bed I put on it from an '87 had the lip...

4banginRunner · 10-06-2008, 06:15 PM

if your going to put a different style bed on
look for a 3rd gen pickup bed, body lines match up a little better

4x4YOTA · 10-06-2008, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4banginRunner

if your going to put a different style bed on
look for a 3rd gen pickup bed, body lines match up a little better

what about mounting is it direct bolt on like the 84-88 beds? and do you have any pics?

83 · 10-07-2008, 07:41 AM

I agree, the 3rd gen bed style is more similar to 1st gen. It sounds like you're going to have to do a little mod-ing anyway, so..
My '86 had the lip on the inside, just like more modern beds, and no hooks. Not sure if it was an import bed or not.

gilby4runner · 10-07-2008, 08:15 AM

Why not go with the 3rd gen bed? They have a much better track record of holding up against rust. Depending on your location you will more than likely have issues finding a clean 2nd gen bed. Jus t my .02

4x4YOTA · 10-07-2008, 02:40 PM

but what about mount the 3rd gen bed?

I know the 2nd gen bed wil bolt right up with the exception of the front 2 mount I can add a post there no prob!

is the 3rd gen bed the same way?

klr toy · 10-07-2008, 04:32 PM

I mounted a third gen bed on my 2nd gen pickup. 6 out of the 8 bolt holes were in the same location and the back 2 were only a half a hole out. Large fender washers were enough to catch the metal. The filler was in the same location as well. You shouldn't have any issues bolting one on to your first gen. You will have to change the connectors for the tail lights but that's about the most you will need to do. I have also seen a Tacoma bed on a first gen which looked really good. I had to look at it a few times to figure out why it was different. I think that is the best looking one, but more expensive. As far as the difference between hook or no hook beds on the 2nd gens.... all Japanese and Canadian built beds have the hook sides, all US built beds have the smooth sides. You can buy aftermarket tailgates for the US built beds, but not for the hook side beds, and fiberglass sides for the hook side beds but not the smooth ones which makes no sense whatsoever! Its way easier to find parts for the 3rd gen beds and they don't rust out as bad. Also way easier to mount a canopy to the inside lip. The canopies are the same size for 2nd and 3rd gen beds as I used the same canopy on both.

4x4YOTA · 10-07-2008, 06:52 PM

any pics of a 3rd gen bed on a 1st gen pick up

4x4YOTA · 10-07-2008, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klr toy

I mounted a third gen bed on my 2nd gen pickup. 6 out of the 8 bolt holes were in the same location and the back 2 were only a half a hole out. Large fender washers were enough to catch the metal. The filler was in the same location as well. You shouldn't have any issues bolting one on to your first gen. You will have to change the connectors for the tail lights but that's about the most you will need to do. I have also seen a Tacoma bed on a first gen which looked really good. I had to look at it a few times to figure out why it was different. I think that is the best looking one, but more expensive. As far as the difference between hook or no hook beds on the 2nd gens.... all Japanese and Canadian built beds have the hook sides, all US built beds have the smooth sides. You can buy aftermarket tailgates for the US built beds, but not for the hook side beds, and fiberglass sides for the hook side beds but not the smooth ones which makes no sense whatsoever! Its way easier to find parts for the 3rd gen beds and they don't rust out as bad. Also way easier to mount a canopy to the inside lip. The canopies are the same size for 2nd and 3rd gen beds as I used the same canopy on both.

any pics?

4banginRunner · 10-07-2008, 06:59 PM

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showp...46&postcount=7

pics here, cut box but gives a visual...
as for mounting, i googled it and have read either the front 2 or back 2 mounts need attention, and nothing serious

10-03-2008, 08:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
4x4YOTA Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: colorado Posts: 608	2nd gen bed on 1st gen has anyone put a 2nd gen bed on a first gen pick up ? my bed on my 83 is crappy the previous owner did a terrible bob on it and its all rusty and I want to replace it but there are no 1st gens anywhere near me but alot of 2nd and 3rd gens. I also want the 2nd gen bed cuz they have a lot more options for toppers. so I was wonder what is required to mount a 2nd gen bed on my 1st gen ? any pics please __________________ mine 81 Toyota 4x4 short bed (restoring) 83 Toyota 4x4 short bed (parting out) 94 Toyota 4x4 extended cab (sold) 82 Toyota 4x4 short bed (RIP) dads 82 Toyota 4x4 long bed (work truck) 82 Toyota 4x4 short bed (RIP)

10-04-2008, 03:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
Al's Chop Shop Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 389	i've seen them and IMO they look goofy with squared wheel wells in back not matching the round wells up front. but it seems they are close, if not a direct bolt up. Al __________________ 81 Toyota pickup - Hers 22r, 5spd, 4x4, longbed on 33's... awaiting custom rears up front w/ downey shackles, chev 63's out back double shackled and 36's... 79 Jeep Cherokee Widetrack "Kronk" - The Build TBI350, SM465, NP205, Hydraulic clutch, Hydroboost, Custom aluminum radiator, Flowtech headers, SOA D44HD w/ Hi-steer, D60, 36" TSL/SX's, LED tail conversion... 91 Chevy K1500 - The Hauler TBI350, built 700r4, NP241, awaiting 4" lift... 92 FJ80 Land Cruiser - Fate undecided

10-05-2008, 02:29 AM	#5 (permalink)
gsb15 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Victoria B.C. Posts: 57	they fit, front 2 mounts are slightly differnt because on the second gen frame all front the mounts are attaced to the frame, where as the first gen has 2 mounts rise up from the frame and 2 that drop from the box. if that makes sense body lines are a bit differnt but you dont notice too bad heres some of my '83. box is off an '86 __________________ 1979 short box. $500 special Last edited by gsb15 : 10-05-2008 at 02:34 AM.

10-05-2008, 10:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
4x4YOTA Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: colorado Posts: 608	looks good... then maybe Ill put on some fender flares to make the wheel wells kinda match __________________ mine 81 Toyota 4x4 short bed (restoring) 83 Toyota 4x4 short bed (parting out) 94 Toyota 4x4 extended cab (sold) 82 Toyota 4x4 short bed (RIP) dads 82 Toyota 4x4 long bed (work truck) 82 Toyota 4x4 short bed (RIP)

10-05-2008, 10:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
4x4YOTA Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: colorado Posts: 608	how about the fuel filler pocket does it still work normal or did you have to modify it? __________________ mine 81 Toyota 4x4 short bed (restoring) 83 Toyota 4x4 short bed (parting out) 94 Toyota 4x4 extended cab (sold) 82 Toyota 4x4 short bed (RIP) dads 82 Toyota 4x4 long bed (work truck) 82 Toyota 4x4 short bed (RIP)

10-04-2008, 04:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
krazykustomyota Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: riverside, ca Posts: 10	no they don't fit, you have to dill a hole.that's what i had to do to mine

10-05-2008, 10:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
gsb15 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Victoria B.C. Posts: 57	fuel filler lines up __________________ 1979 short box. $500 special

10-06-2008, 07:13 AM	#9 (permalink)
83 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Montana Posts: 478	Are you sure that's an '86? I thought they stopped using the bed hooks you've got in maybe 85.. I know my 86 had a "normal" bed, with the lip on the inside, instead of the outside, and no utility hooks. Doesn't really matter, just curious. __________________ Zach '83 Shortbed

10-06-2008, 02:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
gsb15 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Victoria B.C. Posts: 57	those hooks where welded on afterwords __________________ 1979 short box. $500 special

10-06-2008, 04:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
rowdy235 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sweet Home, OR Posts: 1,375	and IIRC only 89+ had the lip on the inside, though some of the 84-88 didn't have hooks __________________ Daily Driver: 1982 Toyota Pickup Base 2WD 22R, TRD Cam,5-sp Manual, Toyota Truck Nation High Miler- 300k+ MPG: 25/32 Off-roader: 1990 Honda H3011SA Riding Lawnmower, 11hp OHV engine, Carlisle SNOW-HOG Tires MPG: 1 Day of "Wheeling" per gallon Come to the 2nd Annual Oregon Yotatech Meetup! June 26-29, 2009: Browns Camp OHV Park http://www.yotatech.com/f5/oregon-yo.../#post50902592

10-06-2008, 06:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
ocdropzone Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: PDX Posts: 2,819	There were domestic and import beds...forget which one had the lip. My old '84 was stock w/o the lip, but the replacement bed I put on it from an '87 had the lip... __________________ ~Robb '81 Trekker SR5 B4Runner Build '89 Tercel Project POS Gas Saver TREKKER Forum LINK TO ONLINE FACTORY SERVICE MANUALS All Toyota Website Search Engine Wheel Responsibly, Don't screw it up for others...

10-06-2008, 06:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
4banginRunner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mount Carmel, PA Posts: 911	if your going to put a different style bed on look for a 3rd gen pickup bed, body lines match up a little better __________________ 87 Toyota 4Runner SR5 22RE--5spd swap (W56-A) w/Hurst t-handle shift knob--V6 4.56 swap--1.5" BJ spacers, AAL's & ZUK mod--'85 brown/tan interior--sway bar removed--2.5" Flowmaster 40 series--2.25" exhaust--Battery/Intake swap--late style steering box swap--V6 calipers--1" MC--34" Nitto's--Consistent 22MPG Daily Driver 79 Toyota Longbed 4x4 Awaiting time, money & some parts previous 82 Longbed 4x4 Pickup 90 Toyota 4Runner<3 RIP 95 Jeep Grand Cherokee

10-07-2008, 07:41 AM	#15 (permalink)
83 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Montana Posts: 478	I agree, the 3rd gen bed style is more similar to 1st gen. It sounds like you're going to have to do a little mod-ing anyway, so.. My '86 had the lip on the inside, just like more modern beds, and no hooks. Not sure if it was an import bed or not. __________________ Zach '83 Shortbed

10-07-2008, 02:40 PM	#17 (permalink)
4x4YOTA Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: colorado Posts: 608	but what about mount the 3rd gen bed? I know the 2nd gen bed wil bolt right up with the exception of the front 2 mount I can add a post there no prob! is the 3rd gen bed the same way? __________________ mine 81 Toyota 4x4 short bed (restoring) 83 Toyota 4x4 short bed (parting out) 94 Toyota 4x4 extended cab (sold) 82 Toyota 4x4 short bed (RIP) dads 82 Toyota 4x4 long bed (work truck) 82 Toyota 4x4 short bed (RIP)

10-07-2008, 04:32 PM	#18 (permalink)
klr toy Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Stony Plain, Alberta, Canada Posts: 52	I mounted a third gen bed on my 2nd gen pickup. 6 out of the 8 bolt holes were in the same location and the back 2 were only a half a hole out. Large fender washers were enough to catch the metal. The filler was in the same location as well. You shouldn't have any issues bolting one on to your first gen. You will have to change the connectors for the tail lights but that's about the most you will need to do. I have also seen a Tacoma bed on a first gen which looked really good. I had to look at it a few times to figure out why it was different. I think that is the best looking one, but more expensive. As far as the difference between hook or no hook beds on the 2nd gens.... all Japanese and Canadian built beds have the hook sides, all US built beds have the smooth sides. You can buy aftermarket tailgates for the US built beds, but not for the hook side beds, and fiberglass sides for the hook side beds but not the smooth ones which makes no sense whatsoever! Its way easier to find parts for the 3rd gen beds and they don't rust out as bad. Also way easier to mount a canopy to the inside lip. The canopies are the same size for 2nd and 3rd gen beds as I used the same canopy on both.

10-07-2008, 06:52 PM	#19 (permalink)
4x4YOTA Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: colorado Posts: 608	any pics of a 3rd gen bed on a 1st gen pick up __________________ mine 81 Toyota 4x4 short bed (restoring) 83 Toyota 4x4 short bed (parting out) 94 Toyota 4x4 extended cab (sold) 82 Toyota 4x4 short bed (RIP) dads 82 Toyota 4x4 long bed (work truck) 82 Toyota 4x4 short bed (RIP)