http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthrea...0&page=1&pp=30

ouch

 

There is a huge difference between a 96-04 Tacoma frame and a 96-02 4Runner frame, one is fully boxed, one half boxed. There is a bigger difference between any frame from 95 and older, specially any FJ frame, serious beef. Now the twist, the 2003+ 4Runner has a Land Cruiser frame and the 05+ Tacoma has a Dana-Spicer built unboxed frame.



How many trinkets can you hang on the weaker Christmas Tree, not many. If the guy would have had a 4th Gen 4Runner, there would have been no issues. he chose the wrong vehicle for the task at hand. Yes the new Tacoma frame is lame, even lamer than the one before it.

 

totally agree, but what is Toyota going to do about it. After all i have seen the commercials and they make the new taco out to be a very offroad capable rig :pat:

 

I have no clue ???

 

I have my eye close on it. I have a feeling it will be extremely isolated. I think if it was a manufacturing issue with Dana it would be more widespread, iirc they have been building the Tundra and Sequoia frames since they were introduced and I haven't heard of this problem before.

That being said, I really wish they used the fully boxed frame from the 4runner but for some reason toyota doesn't believe it is important and hasn't since 1995.

 

Dana-Spicer will make what ever they are told to make. I really don't think the frame will be an issue for 99% of the people. If you hang off road parts on it, you have to do it intelligently.

A 1/8" wall "C" fame degisned for a 40 pound stock bumper should be analized before hanging a 80-100 pound winch and equally heavy front bumper.

Metal fatigues. Understanding what you have and how that happens is the key.

On the flip slide, the 03+ 4Runner frame is so darn stout, I built a 4th Gen tire carrier and the hinge is welded right to the rear support of the frame.

A bumper out of alumium and keeping the front weight down would have probably worked out better for this guy with the frame problems.

 

That all makes sense but one of the trucks that failed didn't have an aftermarket front bumper at all.

 

Well then you have a frame that failed and they should not be able to shuck and jive out of that one. Putting a tiny little IFS lift on is not going to "break" a frame.

Personally, I think the frame looks pretty darn GM to me. The truck is built in a GM/Toyota plant. Makes you wonder.

 

Ya, I heard a rumer that toyota took over a gm plant and they used GM's best frame on the '05 tacoma, which turned out to toyota's worst frame ever.

 

This is one reason I did lots of research before I plunked down close to $30K for a new rig.

I was thinking of a new Tacoma until I got bit by the FJC bug, and it is also built in Japan.

The FJC frame is one of the strongest frames out there from what I have read online and on Toyotas FJ site.

I hope they resolve this issue for Tacoma users soon, as a lot of them will be off roaded and modified with new bumpers, ect.

 

I believe this guy is getting his covered under warranty through Toyota. He just discovered it the other day though. This guy actually admitted to beating hard on his truck.

The kicker is that where these frames are cracking isn't on the C-part it is on the fully boxed part which I am willing to bet is a lot closer to the 4runner frame than any other part.

 

I hope toyota realizes that the reason they are rising to world dominance is because of their ability to build tought and reliable vehicles. I am willing to bet this will be an extremely isolated incident as I know there are lots of other trucks that are even more modified than these that have failed that are wheeled hard but it just goes to show that building stuff here in the states isn't necessarily the way to go for Toyota. I won't complain much I haven't had a single issue with my truck and am 100% happy with my purchase but it is sad to see it happen. That being said there was a Special Service Campaign on the old generation 2wd tacomas for cracked frames too, so this isn't a new thing for toyota.

And if they come out with the FJC Ute they are showing at SEMA it might convince me to get a new car.

 

They didn't take over a GM plant Toyota and GM are partners at Nummi in California and this is where Toyota assembles the Tacomas.

 

that still sucks... I didnt reall of the stuff over on TTora...but man...that sucks.