Hi-lift near miss today - be careful everyone!
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Originally Posted by <96 Runner>
No scab plates. I should also note that I am not pissed at Richard or anything. I am more pissed at myself for making a rookie move (when I have 2 other floor jacks and 4 jack stands). I was curious to see how easy it was to jack my rig up.
Obviously test them out again after that. It's better to find these things out at home in your garage than out in the bundus on a trail and possible a rig falling down without a wheel, etc.
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Originally Posted by <96 Runner>
No scab plates. I should also note that I am not pissed at Richard or anything. I am more pissed at myself for making a rookie move (when I have 2 other floor jacks and 4 jack stands). I was curious to see how easy it was to jack my rig up.
I personally think the scabs make the sliders more rigid. I have nothing to back this up on but the fact that mine barely flex at all.
As for the hi-lift, that thing terrifies me. I will only use it if necessary.
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Originally Posted by <96 Runner>
No scab plates. I should also note that I am not pissed at Richard or anything. I am more pissed at myself for making a rookie move (when I have 2 other floor jacks and 4 jack stands). I was curious to see how easy it was to jack my rig up.
Seriously though, i'm sure i would try the same thing. thanks for posting this.
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Been there done that and I have the dent to prove it. First, you have to realize when you use a hilift and you lift a truck, the jack is going to lean in because it's just following the arc of motion of the truck. So, compensate for this when you start out. Also, garage floors are slick. A plastic base is just going to make it worse.
Second, I doubt the sliders bent. They're much stiffer than the sidewalls of the frame. I think the sidewalls of your frame bent. There's a reason for reinforcing the frame with plates.
Second, I doubt the sliders bent. They're much stiffer than the sidewalls of the frame. I think the sidewalls of your frame bent. There's a reason for reinforcing the frame with plates.
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Been there done that and I have the dent to prove it. First, you have to realize when you use a hilift and you lift a truck, the jack is going to lean in because it's just following the arc of motion of the truck. So, compensate for this when you start out. Also, garage floors are slick. A plastic base is just going to make it worse.
Second, I doubt the sliders bent. They're much stiffer than the sidewalls of the frame. I think the sidewalls of your frame bent. There's a reason for reinforcing the frame with plates.
Second, I doubt the sliders bent. They're much stiffer than the sidewalls of the frame. I think the sidewalls of your frame bent. There's a reason for reinforcing the frame with plates.
Ouch! the sidewalls of the frame bent, yep, I recant my ealier remark and agree with Steve, you'd better get that checked out soon Christian.
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I had a hi-lift incedent, no falling or anything, the verticle bar rubbed the door and left some paint on there.
Any ideas on what will remove the black paint off of my white door?
I have some turtle wax polishing compound and scratch remover I picked up for a few bucks, will this work?
Any ideas on what will remove the black paint off of my white door?
I have some turtle wax polishing compound and scratch remover I picked up for a few bucks, will this work?
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Originally Posted by 44Runner
Your sliders are crap, plain and simple. Don't try to be all nice about it because everyone on this board thinks Stubbs sliders are "the bomb." This just shouldn't happen. I really don't know the first thing about these sliders and don't know if they are a one size fits all deal and it is up to you to figure out if it is right for your vehicle. If that is the case, you figured wrong. If, on the other hand, these were sold to you with the manufacturer saying that these are right for your vehicle, then I would feel cheated, because obviously they are not. You should be able to jack up one side of your vehicle with your slider and not have them bend. I mean what will happen if you smash them on a rock. i have a good feeling they'd be in your rocker...
On the same note we might as well just say that the Hi-Lift is a piece of crap too.
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Originally Posted by <96 Runner>
Bent frame? Oh man, I don't like where this is heading. How do I have that checked?
I don't think it's a big deal. Just pound it flat again and weld the plates on there.
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So you were going to rotate your tires front to back on the same side? That really isn't the right way to rotate tires, but aside from that, it sounds like you were using the jack in a hazardous way. Was it your plan to jack up the truck and remove both tires from that side, then swap them? Most jacks are only meant to jack up one corner of the vehicle while changing a tire. To jack up the entire side of the vehicle, then swap both tires while it is supported on the hi-lift is not something I would want to do. No jack can take the place of jack stands as far as stability goes.
I have used jack stands to rotate all four tires. I believe the right way to rotate tires is front to back on the same side, then the back to opposide front. When I did this with jack stands, it was kind of wobbly when I had three tires off the ground for the back to front swaps.
I recently figured out a way to rotate four tires which is very stable. Just use the spare tire to temporarily replace the first tire you remove. Then set the vehicle down and jack up the corner that tire will go onto, etc, until you have rotated all four tires. You will need to raise and lower 5 times, but it it is the most stable way to rotate four tires that I know of.
If I have misunderstood what your intent was, my mistake.
I have used jack stands to rotate all four tires. I believe the right way to rotate tires is front to back on the same side, then the back to opposide front. When I did this with jack stands, it was kind of wobbly when I had three tires off the ground for the back to front swaps.
I recently figured out a way to rotate four tires which is very stable. Just use the spare tire to temporarily replace the first tire you remove. Then set the vehicle down and jack up the corner that tire will go onto, etc, until you have rotated all four tires. You will need to raise and lower 5 times, but it it is the most stable way to rotate four tires that I know of.
If I have misunderstood what your intent was, my mistake.
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Yikes, sounds kind of scary. I've done the same thing- lifted the vehicle one side at a time to swap sets of tires/rims. I've put hockey stick tape on my slider adapter as well as the base to avoid things sliding around, and it has helped quite a bit.
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Frame damage is enough for anyone to think about.
"I told you so" or "you did this wrong" posts are pretty redundant and aren't going to help this situation any more than another whack in the door.
Can anyone confirm Steve's suggestion to hammer the frame flat? I would be a bit hesitant and am curious to know more.
"I told you so" or "you did this wrong" posts are pretty redundant and aren't going to help this situation any more than another whack in the door.
Can anyone confirm Steve's suggestion to hammer the frame flat? I would be a bit hesitant and am curious to know more.
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I think before everyone gets their stuff in a twist, let CHristian inspect and see what the actual cause of damage is; what needs to be fixed, etc... identify the exact problem
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Anyone willing to share the best way to use the hi-lift on concrete (other than not using it). I'm getting ready to do a 1 inch RB body lift and was going to use the jack to do it. Now, I'm reconsidering
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Originally Posted by <96 Runner>
No scab plates. I should also note that I am not pissed at Richard or anything. I am more pissed at myself for making a rookie move (when I have 2 other floor jacks and 4 jack stands). I was curious to see how easy it was to jack my rig up.
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Originally Posted by Glenn
So you were going to rotate your tires front to back on the same side? That really isn't the right way to rotate tires.
Was it your plan to jack up the truck and remove both tires from that side, then swap them? Most jacks are only meant to jack up one corner of the vehicle while changing a tire. To jack up the entire side of the vehicle, then swap both tires while it is supported on the hi-lift is not something I would want to do. No jack can take the place of jack stands as far as stability goes.
I ended up using my 3/4 ton jack and jack stands to complete the F/R "rotation."
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Originally Posted by MTL_4runner
Christian, I don't think the highlift jack was to blame as much as the epoxy floor was. Can I suggest getting a thick piece of rubber mat like this to put under the jack first to prevent it from sliding (also be sure to at least sweep the floor clean as well, preferably wipe the area clean quickly with a wet shop towel). That will create a relatively slip free surface on which to use the highlift. Also be careful that if you get the truck at too much of an angle it may slide sideways and cause a similar situation (again sweeping first should alieveate the situation greatly). Those epoxy floors are very slick unless you put some heavy grit down during the application.
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Originally Posted by FirstToy
I think before everyone gets their stuff in a twist, let CHristian inspect and see what the actual cause of damage is; what needs to be fixed, etc... identify the exact problem
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Christian,
Man I am sorry to hear about this, and I most certainly will help take care of it. A few things happend during this event to make the out come what it now is. The slider itself most definately did not deform- it was the frame "web" with out a doubt. It should not be a problem to fix correctly, and I will pay the costs of getting this all fixed.
To fix this both sliders will have to come off, and will have to be reinstalled using "scab" plates which I will send to you. As long as the dimpling is minimal it wont be a problem. The scab plate will spread that load over a larger area of the web, and the problem will be solved.
Something to note. The sliders were designed to flex slightly during load for the specific reason of not overloading the web of the frame. You would have experienced some flex regardless however you got to the elastic limit of the frame first. The only way to bend the sliders easily is to use improper gusseting between the web & slider which creates a stress riser along the support bar tube effectively shortening the "built in" ability to flex!
No worries I will do my best to make sure you are covered on any costs, and will help in any other way that is needed.
I'll be talking with you soon,
Richard
Oh make sure to email me so we can start to get rolling on this!
Another Oh- The high lift would most likely have slipped out regardless as it sounds like the other factors were more at play. Usually they buck out due to not having them setup square or slipping on the slider or floor/ground. I actually saw a guy get knocked out cold by a high lift while jacking up a Chevy truck. I love HL's but they do scare me when I use them.
Man I am sorry to hear about this, and I most certainly will help take care of it. A few things happend during this event to make the out come what it now is. The slider itself most definately did not deform- it was the frame "web" with out a doubt. It should not be a problem to fix correctly, and I will pay the costs of getting this all fixed.
To fix this both sliders will have to come off, and will have to be reinstalled using "scab" plates which I will send to you. As long as the dimpling is minimal it wont be a problem. The scab plate will spread that load over a larger area of the web, and the problem will be solved.
Something to note. The sliders were designed to flex slightly during load for the specific reason of not overloading the web of the frame. You would have experienced some flex regardless however you got to the elastic limit of the frame first. The only way to bend the sliders easily is to use improper gusseting between the web & slider which creates a stress riser along the support bar tube effectively shortening the "built in" ability to flex!
No worries I will do my best to make sure you are covered on any costs, and will help in any other way that is needed.
I'll be talking with you soon,
Richard
Oh make sure to email me so we can start to get rolling on this!
Another Oh- The high lift would most likely have slipped out regardless as it sounds like the other factors were more at play. Usually they buck out due to not having them setup square or slipping on the slider or floor/ground. I actually saw a guy get knocked out cold by a high lift while jacking up a Chevy truck. I love HL's but they do scare me when I use them.