Torque OBD II App does not detect AF (Upstream O2) Sensor?
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I know that the '01 model year (and other years) runners all came equipped with the same emissions control components, but does the ecu and/or O2 sensor operate with the same threshold of CARB standards regardless of the vehicle tag?
For example, my truck has a EPA tag and as I understand it, the EPA requirements are less stringent than CARB... so is the EPA tag just a label that serves no functional purpose to identify this truck separate from the CA ones (as it pertains to the emissions controls)?
That being said, wouldn't that also mean that when cc manufacturers advertise their products as "EPA compliant" it is basically a misnomer (as it applies to these 4Runners anyway)?
For example, my truck has a EPA tag and as I understand it, the EPA requirements are less stringent than CARB... so is the EPA tag just a label that serves no functional purpose to identify this truck separate from the CA ones (as it pertains to the emissions controls)?
That being said, wouldn't that also mean that when cc manufacturers advertise their products as "EPA compliant" it is basically a misnomer (as it applies to these 4Runners anyway)?
What about CARB approved aftermarket cats? If I remember correctly, Catco and Walker have some on that CARB list of approved mfg's... Does the URD simulator properly condition the signal?
If the truck were a bit younger, I would probably just go the OEM route, but it's not and the 170k miles it has seen is probably what killed the cat... no pun intended. I could buy about 5 sets of Eastern cats for the price of OEM though.
If the truck were a bit younger, I would probably just go the OEM route, but it's not and the 170k miles it has seen is probably what killed the cat... no pun intended. I could buy about 5 sets of Eastern cats for the price of OEM though.
Yes the URD sensor simulator does properly condition the signal so the A/F sensor can properly recalibrate itself.
As far as the aftermarket CATS that are CARB compliant, don't waste your money. The 4runner CARB emissions HAS two cat converters one really close to the engine and one under the passengers seat for max efficiency.
I tried replacing just the rear (large one) with a CARB compliant cat and it still wasn't enough to make the computer happy.
So just go with URD simulator and a new normal converter.
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Yes Toyota took pretty much all of their vehicles to 50 states legal AKA California CARB emissions standards in 2001 year models. The sticker just denotes that your vehicle is equipped with a catalyst type emissions system. Toyota did this to save costs in not having to stock two different types of emissions systems and two types of computers in the vehicles.
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CARB regulations continued to be more strict regarding testing and replacement parts approval, but vehicle manufacturing requirements were the same in 2001 and 2002.
There are aftermarket two-cat components available for the '99-'00Cali./2001+ 50-state system, and a very few are CARB approved. Anecdotal evidence suggests they may even work, but not for very long in many cases. If you go the aftermarket route even with CARB approved components (I see no reason not use cat components designed to be a part of the two-cat system), I would still be prepared to install a 'sim' either sooner or later.
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Last question, and I have my own speculations on this, but would it be worthwhile buying a used setup (170k) for $250? I am also assuming I'll get decent return from mine at the scrap yard...(?)
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I'm at 143K and mine is dying. I have to reset my P0420 every few months and I have no leaks and less than 50k on both sensors. I got through inspection in 2011, but I doubt I can get through 2013 without doing something. It's a crap shoot, but I think the odds are against you. I would not do it, myself, especially if you have to pay to get the swap done.
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Alright, I think that settles that - I'm going with Eastern and a sim. For whatever it's worth, Eastern has the best prices and *advertised* warranty.
I'm ready to be done with these shenanigans, hopefully new cats help it breathe a bit easier and give me back a few mpg's... rockauto.com, here I go!!
Thanks for all the info and help guys.
I'm ready to be done with these shenanigans, hopefully new cats help it breathe a bit easier and give me back a few mpg's... rockauto.com, here I go!!
Thanks for all the info and help guys.
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