300+ Horsepower??
06-09-2003, 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by keisur
why don't you pm him fatty?
why don't you pm him fatty?
Originally posted by kaneman23 He is full of poop! Don't you think someone over at TTORA would have heard about it by now? As much research as people have done on that board and this one as well, it's funny how no one has seen or done it yet...
06-09-2003, 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by FattyCBR
Well I figured if he was telling the truth he'd be more than happy to tell us how he did it since...
Well I figured if he was telling the truth he'd be more than happy to tell us how he did it since...
06-09-2003, 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by edwardvedder6971
Mr. Ralph-
Nothing but the truth my friend. I can answer any questions you have about the truck and even go get a picture for you of it in its current state if you really care that much. Throw out any and all questions you have and they will be answered. Jealousy is a sad thing my friend...learn to accept others may just have a better ride than you from timt to time, and use them to better yours instead of instigate bull#*it arguements. Bring the heat.
Anthony
Mr. Ralph-
Nothing but the truth my friend. I can answer any questions you have about the truck and even go get a picture for you of it in its current state if you really care that much. Throw out any and all questions you have and they will be answered. Jealousy is a sad thing my friend...learn to accept others may just have a better ride than you from timt to time, and use them to better yours instead of instigate bull#*it arguements. Bring the heat.
Anthony
Look this getting real old real quick, wouldn't it be nice to shut everyone up? You can by posting a pic of the setup and make sure we can see your truck in the pic too so we can verify it.
I just kinda find it odd that with this super setup you don't have a single pic????? Or maybe have one of the board members come by and check it out. Later
06-09-2003, 08:58 AM
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Re: 300+ HP
just so there's no misunderstanding . . . .
it's not a percent loss, it's an absolute HP loss through the drivetrain. always 45 HP.
you can't reprogram the ECU. you can have a piggyback ROM chip installed by ELProto. they will remove the speed governor, and remap the fuel maps. i doubt they would lean out the maps for you since a stock truck runs so lean with the s/c already that it is already losing power. any additional fuel increases power.
how did you add a supra intercooler to a roots-type blower? this has never been accomplished and would take some very fancy engineering. plugs and a "power tower" would do nothing for power.
how the hell did you dyno "at the crank?" did you take out the engine? the only way i would buy your RWHP is either you tested at altitude and didn't correct, or you ran it with a shot of 75 nitrous.
again, with nitrous i would buy this. truthfully, with the mods you described, you were more likely closer to 260HP, which isn't bad. i've done the performance mods you mentioned in my '97 (at least the worthwhile ones) plus larger injectors and MAF and dynoed at 232 at the wheels, which is only about 275 at the crank (estimated).
sorry you are so misinformed.
creed
Originally posted by edwardvedder6971
Hey all-
Just for the records, 300+ at the crank is very possible, and it would not be going too far to say that 300 at the rear wheels asuming a 15% loss is possible as well.
Anthony
Hey all-
Just for the records, 300+ at the crank is very possible, and it would not be going too far to say that 300 at the rear wheels asuming a 15% loss is possible as well.
Anthony
Originally posted by edwardvedder6971
I had my ECU reprogrammed by a place in Cali to run fairly lean under high octane fuel, and was able to push my boost pressure up to almost 11 lbs.
Anthony
I had my ECU reprogrammed by a place in Cali to run fairly lean under high octane fuel, and was able to push my boost pressure up to almost 11 lbs.
Anthony
Originally posted by edwardvedder6971
I changed the upper pulley on the blower (the overdrive one), added a K&N Cold Air intake which was modified to come through the lower passenger side blinker, and also had a supra intercooler added to bring the temps way down and the HP up. Spark plugs were replaced with denso iridiums, a helix power tower was added.
Anthony
I changed the upper pulley on the blower (the overdrive one), added a K&N Cold Air intake which was modified to come through the lower passenger side blinker, and also had a supra intercooler added to bring the temps way down and the HP up. Spark plugs were replaced with denso iridiums, a helix power tower was added.
Anthony
Originally posted by edwardvedder6971
That is as much as I can remember at this point. Oh yeah, I also added a JDM power cooler to keep the intake and motor temps down as well. Anyway...I figured I was @ around 380 HP at the crank, and I dynoed out a 321 @ the rear wheels with no correction what so ever.
Anthony
That is as much as I can remember at this point. Oh yeah, I also added a JDM power cooler to keep the intake and motor temps down as well. Anyway...I figured I was @ around 380 HP at the crank, and I dynoed out a 321 @ the rear wheels with no correction what so ever.
Anthony
Originally posted by edwardvedder6971
I was still able to run 0-60 in around 6 flat and my best in the quarter was 13.8 @ 103. I also had the TRD headers.
Anthony
I was still able to run 0-60 in around 6 flat and my best in the quarter was 13.8 @ 103. I also had the TRD headers.
Anthony
sorry you are so misinformed.
creed
06-09-2003, 11:09 AM
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Geez, what's going on this month on Yotatech!?!? Full moon!??!
Hey Mr. Moneybags and friend of Kevin Costner (a real American hero), put up or shut up. Let's see some proof: timeslips, pics, etc. If your Tacoma has the big red cape on it like you say you do, how come the WA TTORA folks haven't heard about it as others have said? If your claims prove to be true, I will have Janine Garafallo make good on her promise and beg for forgiveness to President Bush w/ bloody knees.
Are you the same guy, Mr. Diablo, from Riceboypage.com or do you play one on TV?
oh, wait...
Sorry we misunderstood your tuning and architectural genius. I have no idea whether this is all true or not (only you can prove it) but you're coming off as exactly as you say: arrogant and vain. So back up your claim. That is all we're asking for.
As you said, you were looking for a good Toyota 4runner forum and you probably found the best one. If you spend any amount of time here, you'll see less bickering, pettiness, etc than other auto boards. And you think you got a violent response here? Try spewing your fancy mouth at TTORA, ODW or PBB and see what kind of response you get there.
And yes, you do care. Look at your posts! Anyways, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Bob
Hey Mr. Moneybags and friend of Kevin Costner (a real American hero), put up or shut up. Let's see some proof: timeslips, pics, etc. If your Tacoma has the big red cape on it like you say you do, how come the WA TTORA folks haven't heard about it as others have said? If your claims prove to be true, I will have Janine Garafallo make good on her promise and beg for forgiveness to President Bush w/ bloody knees.
...except that when the money is plentiful...I spend it. And yeah, I'm just 22 and got deeper pockets than you will ever imagine...
My intelligence and knowledge of the subject was only thrown out to help...
I am in no way being vain or arragant in stating that I have a plethora of tuning experience
As you said, you were looking for a good Toyota 4runner forum and you probably found the best one. If you spend any amount of time here, you'll see less bickering, pettiness, etc than other auto boards. And you think you got a violent response here? Try spewing your fancy mouth at TTORA, ODW or PBB and see what kind of response you get there.
And yes, you do care. Look at your posts! Anyways, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Bob
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06-09-2003, 02:23 PM
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i talked to elprototypes before and they can't reprogram any ecu after 1998... and as for 300 hp? i was pumping out a little under 300 hp to the wheels spraying 100 shot on top of my charger... so those hp and times don't quite add up... i ran a prerunner once with the same mods as mine his time was 11.8 in the quarter..so the math doesnt make sense to me...
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06-09-2003, 02:53 PM
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You say the vehicle doesn't exist...well if any of you ever get the chance to visit the Bremerton / Belfair area of WA state, just about anyone you ask could tell you about the vehicle. You could even find it on a daily basis as it sits about a 1/2 mile out of belfair at a landscaping yard on hwy 3.
I have chapter members who live or work all over the state, including the Belfair/Tahuya area and for that matter, it's just a quick ferry ride across the big puddle for me. In fact, I was over there yesterday.
I would LOVE to see this rig in the same spirit as you originally offered your information, learning. Please feel free to contact me directly at president@wattora.com and I am certain I can arrange a time for myself and a couple of my chapter members to meet up with you to see as much of your handywork as remains viable. I travel with a digital camera, so I am certain that I can capture the essence of you work for the others here on this board.
I will look forward to hearing from you.
06-09-2003, 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Javin028
Hey, I'm officially a "Senior Member" now! Look above my avatar!
Hey, I'm officially a "Senior Member" now! Look above my avatar!
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06-09-2003, 03:27 PM
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Well, I spent part of my day reading this thread and recoiling just a wee bit at the personal nature of some of the responses.
Please don't get me wrong -- I appreciate those who have valid knowledge of our trucks defending truth and keeping bad info from filtering through this forum. However, I'm curious -- I participate in other forums representing myriad interests from aviation to travel and all have someone who monitors posts to keep them from turning into immature verbal pissing contests such as this.
Does anyone monitor this forum and control the content, or is it a free-for-all?
Again, please don't flame me for asking. I've been a beneficiary of many of you members as I've turned my stock Runner into a mean-looking Urban Assault Vehicle (and I'm not done yet, either.) I'm as capable of ignoring stupid posts as the next guy ... I just wondered if it's ever nipped in the bud.
Besides, I just hope that these guys never actually meet -- somebody will have to call 911...
Please don't get me wrong -- I appreciate those who have valid knowledge of our trucks defending truth and keeping bad info from filtering through this forum. However, I'm curious -- I participate in other forums representing myriad interests from aviation to travel and all have someone who monitors posts to keep them from turning into immature verbal pissing contests such as this.
Does anyone monitor this forum and control the content, or is it a free-for-all?
Again, please don't flame me for asking. I've been a beneficiary of many of you members as I've turned my stock Runner into a mean-looking Urban Assault Vehicle (and I'm not done yet, either.) I'm as capable of ignoring stupid posts as the next guy ... I just wondered if it's ever nipped in the bud.
Besides, I just hope that these guys never actually meet -- somebody will have to call 911...
06-09-2003, 03:40 PM
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This forum, like most others has moderators, but thankfully, they tend to stay away from knee jerk reactions. As a rule, the folks on the forum have very good at self regulating and at keeping things above the table, but the cost of that is that from time to time people get carried away.
I for one appreciate the ability to be able to speak my mind here, unlike some boards where you have to tip-toe around to avoid getting your posts censored or deleted. Most of the time the conversations here remain civil and even when they get heated, everyone is able to kiss and make up when it's over.
Three cheers for freedom of expression on YotaTech!
I for one appreciate the ability to be able to speak my mind here, unlike some boards where you have to tip-toe around to avoid getting your posts censored or deleted. Most of the time the conversations here remain civil and even when they get heated, everyone is able to kiss and make up when it's over.
Three cheers for freedom of expression on YotaTech!
06-09-2003, 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by WATRD
This forum, like most others has moderators, but thankfully, they tend to stay away from knee jerk reactions. As a rule, the folks on the forum have very good at self regulating and at keeping things above the table, but the cost of that is that from time to time people get carried away.
I for one appreciate the ability to be able to speak my mind here, unlike some boards where you have to tip-toe around to avoid getting your posts censored or deleted. Most of the time the conversations here remain civil and even when they get heated, everyone is able to kiss and make up when it's over.
Three cheers for freedom of expression on YotaTech!
This forum, like most others has moderators, but thankfully, they tend to stay away from knee jerk reactions. As a rule, the folks on the forum have very good at self regulating and at keeping things above the table, but the cost of that is that from time to time people get carried away.
I for one appreciate the ability to be able to speak my mind here, unlike some boards where you have to tip-toe around to avoid getting your posts censored or deleted. Most of the time the conversations here remain civil and even when they get heated, everyone is able to kiss and make up when it's over.
Three cheers for freedom of expression on YotaTech!
06-09-2003, 09:07 PM
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My $.02
I picked apart the lengthy statement made by Vedder, too. I'm curious about a few things myself:
You mean the ONLY pulley on the s/c, right? What's this "upper pulley" stuff.
Seems to be the #1 question...HOW? The single piece cast design of the gen II s/c prohibits such plumbing.
Why??? Any effect the HPT might have is obliterated by the s/c impellers.
That's a neat way of saying "TRD thermostat." I have one of those, too. It's from Japan so I guess that makes it JDM. 
Again, another neat way of saying "Free FMU."
Okay wait...you just PAID OFF your '03, claim you have deep pockets yet have to "save up" for the TRD blower? Gee, $3900 is a drop in the bucket compared to say $31K+. Why do you have to save up?
Once again, how did you accomplish this with a Supra intercooler? WHY would you want to use the stock box with a Supra intercooler. Why not have a custom intake behind the valance for the intercooler? This way, you can keep the turn signals and have a cold intake with your TRD blown, Supra intercooled phantom Taco.
Where do I begin? Why would you want it to run lean? I was pinging like mad with a 9 psi pulley. Did you replace your internals with forged parts to run lean with 11 psi? How did you overcome ignition issues at 11 psi?
If your intent is to "share your plethora" of information, then please do so! You only make yourself look like more of a jacka$$ when you skimp on details.
I'm collecting wagers on whether or not Darth Vedder will post again.
I changed the upper pulley on the blower (the overdrive one)
and also had a supra intercooler added to bring the temps way down and the HP up
a helix power tower was added
a JDM power cooler to keep the intake and motor temps down as well
I also designed my own boost bypass
I have just finished paying it off and put wheels and tires on it last week...and then am going to begin saving for the $3900 TRD blower
and is no back to a stock air box with a TRD filter...
I had my ECU reprogrammed by a place in Cali to run fairly lean under high octane fuel, and was able to push my boost pressure up to almost 11 lbs
If your intent is to "share your plethora" of information, then please do so! You only make yourself look like more of a jacka$$ when you skimp on details.
I'm collecting wagers on whether or not Darth Vedder will post again.
06-10-2003, 08:56 AM
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I know very little in terms of sefely and reliably pulling power from my 'yota engine. However I DO have a good bit of knowledge of car audio.
1. Earthquake is a good brand believe it or not. Their PHD2 has a HUGE following in Db Drag Racing. As does their PHD3 and PHD6. It has a following for a reason - it makes a LOT of power effeciently. In db drag we try everything and use what works. The only thing that matters is how loud you get it. You cannot get loud using substandard amps.
2. Earthquake's customer service bites IMO.
3. JLw7s are highly overrated in the spl department, not by JL, but by cats who don't know any better. How many spl world records has the w7 set? Yeah that's correct - none! In SQ they are good subs, but for the money there is a LOT better to be found.
**now talking to Anthony**
4. 6kw? That's it? ˟˟˟˟˟! I had ~16kw in my old ss1-2 setup running off of a rather large 16v battery rack. Oh yeah and I have pics to back it up.
I've since ripped that system out and am currently Im at 2kw and 2 15s doing a legal metered 155 on a termlab mic - without a wall. And yeah that is 17th in the WORLD right now.
Oh and since you thought it would be funny to dog someone else's system I have a challenge for you. Your system against mine for each other's pink slip. (Winner keeps the looser's vehicle.) Game is db drag, in the street division. Hell Ill even give you a 5db handicap. Any time you'd like to show up in FL I'll write up a contract, sign it, and have a notary there too. This will be a legally binding challenge.
Dogging someone else's system is plain WRONG....hopefully I won't have to take your vehicle away to prove that point to you. You also took everything everyone said a bit too personally. Im sure people will try calling bs on my 16kw claim, but I have pics to back it up. I take nothing personally when its online, but I also dont try to get into pissing matches either. People who brag generally cant back it up and only the modest get anywhere.
btw - were is Duffdog? He has a TRUE 300hp at the rear wheels from his taco with timeslips and dyno sheets to boot.
Steve
1. Earthquake is a good brand believe it or not. Their PHD2 has a HUGE following in Db Drag Racing. As does their PHD3 and PHD6. It has a following for a reason - it makes a LOT of power effeciently. In db drag we try everything and use what works. The only thing that matters is how loud you get it. You cannot get loud using substandard amps.
2. Earthquake's customer service bites IMO.
3. JLw7s are highly overrated in the spl department, not by JL, but by cats who don't know any better. How many spl world records has the w7 set? Yeah that's correct - none! In SQ they are good subs, but for the money there is a LOT better to be found.
**now talking to Anthony**
4. 6kw? That's it? ˟˟˟˟˟! I had ~16kw in my old ss1-2 setup running off of a rather large 16v battery rack. Oh yeah and I have pics to back it up.
I've since ripped that system out and am currently Im at 2kw and 2 15s doing a legal metered 155 on a termlab mic - without a wall. And yeah that is 17th in the WORLD right now.
Oh and since you thought it would be funny to dog someone else's system I have a challenge for you. Your system against mine for each other's pink slip. (Winner keeps the looser's vehicle.) Game is db drag, in the street division. Hell Ill even give you a 5db handicap. Any time you'd like to show up in FL I'll write up a contract, sign it, and have a notary there too. This will be a legally binding challenge.
Dogging someone else's system is plain WRONG....hopefully I won't have to take your vehicle away to prove that point to you. You also took everything everyone said a bit too personally. Im sure people will try calling bs on my 16kw claim, but I have pics to back it up. I take nothing personally when its online, but I also dont try to get into pissing matches either. People who brag generally cant back it up and only the modest get anywhere.
btw - were is Duffdog? He has a TRUE 300hp at the rear wheels from his taco with timeslips and dyno sheets to boot.
Steve
