Why does everyone mess with the 3.0?
02-14-2005, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 3car
ROFL, do you think maybe its him? The 4.3 vortec is grossly underpowered and makes the 3.0 feel like a powerhouse? Please step away from the crack pipe...
By the time it was in need of another engine,lucky number three,I was hoping that the other two were just lemons,and if we just shoped around for a good quality rebuilt motor,that this thing would perform the way 4.3 litters should.
Well it didnt, it sucked just as much as the other two.Finaly my dad ˟˟˟˟ canned it,and got something else before this engine decided to die.
Anyone that dosnt believe me,can go buy an s10 blazer, "I dare you"
02-14-2005, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 3car
ROFL, do you think maybe its him? The 4.3 vortec is grossly underpowered and makes the 3.0 feel like a powerhouse? Please step away from the crack pipe...
What are the specs?
Toyota 3.0 V6 3VZE - 150 HP, 180 ft-lbs of torque.
Chevy 4.3?
Also, the vehicle you guys were driving with the 4.3, what is it's curb weight in comparison to similarly equipped vehicles equipped with the 4.3?
02-14-2005, 03:28 PM
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I go to Spokane and back, so across the pass with hills and headwinds etc. with 396,000 mi on the truck and I don't have much if any problems I can easily stay at 75 the whole way with more speed readily at hand if I need it. Although it does take me 2 full tanks. and it does drink a little oil, and it is a PITA to work on but as long as its runnin fine...oh well
02-14-2005, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 93YODER
I have had experience with not one,not two,but three of these damn things,and all of them performed the some way.It might of been just be bad luck,but im not ˟˟˟˟ing you when I say my 3.0 would run circles around that BLAZER.
By the time it was in need of another engine,lucky number three,I was hoping that the other two were just lemons,and if we just shoped around for a good quality rebuilt motor,that this thing would perform the way 4.3 litters should.
Well it didnt, it sucked just as much as the other two.Finaly my dad ˟˟˟˟ canned it,and got something else before this engine decided to die.
Anyone that dosnt believe me,can go buy an s10 blazer, "I dare you"
By the time it was in need of another engine,lucky number three,I was hoping that the other two were just lemons,and if we just shoped around for a good quality rebuilt motor,that this thing would perform the way 4.3 litters should.
Well it didnt, it sucked just as much as the other two.Finaly my dad ˟˟˟˟ canned it,and got something else before this engine decided to die.
Anyone that dosnt believe me,can go buy an s10 blazer, "I dare you"
You can see it in this pic.
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02-14-2005, 07:04 PM
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I tell you folks. The 3.0 is a good motor. True it has it's problems and downfalls, but it's a solid unit. (No pun intended, LOL) I personally love my 3.0. It's not going to win any races, but it keeps going and going and going.
The Chevy 4.3 is a decent motor, but has it's share of problems, more so than the toyota 3.0. If you really want to drive a POS, then find a chevy with a 2.8 liter V6. Now that's a terrible motor.
-Wrench
The Chevy 4.3 is a decent motor, but has it's share of problems, more so than the toyota 3.0. If you really want to drive a POS, then find a chevy with a 2.8 liter V6. Now that's a terrible motor.
-Wrench
02-14-2005, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 93YODER
I have had experience with not one,not two,but three of these damn things,and all of them performed the some way.It might of been just be bad luck,but im not ˟˟˟˟ing you when I say my 3.0 would run circles around that BLAZER.
By the time it was in need of another engine,lucky number three,I was hoping that the other two were just lemons,and if we just shoped around for a good quality rebuilt motor,that this thing would perform the way 4.3 litters should.
Well it didnt, it sucked just as much as the other two.Finaly my dad ˟˟˟˟ canned it,and got something else before this engine decided to die.
Anyone that dosnt believe me,can go buy an s10 blazer, "I dare you"
By the time it was in need of another engine,lucky number three,I was hoping that the other two were just lemons,and if we just shoped around for a good quality rebuilt motor,that this thing would perform the way 4.3 litters should.
Well it didnt, it sucked just as much as the other two.Finaly my dad ˟˟˟˟ canned it,and got something else before this engine decided to die.
Anyone that dosnt believe me,can go buy an s10 blazer, "I dare you"
If you think your 3.0 is faster than a 4.3, go race a Typhoon. Just dont bet any money....LOL
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02-15-2005, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota
If you think your 3.0 is faster than a 4.3, go race a Typhoon. Just dont bet any money....LOL
02-15-2005, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by X-AWDriver
Now that's just comparing apples to oranges;I guess I'll compare my former 2.0 which smacked Vipers around.
yeah, the syclone and typhoon arent a fair comparison to hardly any truck, but the fact remains that since it's introduction in the s-series, the 4.3 has been a homerun in both power, and durability. the same can't be said for the 3.slow.
02-15-2005, 09:33 PM
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looking at the 4.3L specs:
90-91: 160hp, 230ft-lbs
92-93: 200hp, 260ft-lbs
for 90-91 at least the 3vze comes pretty close (minus the torque), similar weight between the 2 vehicles... guess depending on the gearing, the 3vze might come close?
mind you, im talking stock numbers only...
90-91: 160hp, 230ft-lbs
92-93: 200hp, 260ft-lbs
for 90-91 at least the 3vze comes pretty close (minus the torque), similar weight between the 2 vehicles... guess depending on the gearing, the 3vze might come close?
mind you, im talking stock numbers only...
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02-15-2005, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ROMAD
Power is all good and fine (fun too!) but personally I'd be very happy with the power of my current stock 3.0 (very well tuned and maintained) if I could get 20+ mpg out of it.
The predictions for this summer are once again record high gas prices going well above 2.00+ *everywhere* (yeah I know you 'blue' states have had it for a long time now..) I have yet to pay over $1.89 for regular UL and I rue the day I am forced too...
I just may have to get a 2WD regular cab 22RE 5sp if this keeps up.
The predictions for this summer are once again record high gas prices going well above 2.00+ *everywhere* (yeah I know you 'blue' states have had it for a long time now..) I have yet to pay over $1.89 for regular UL and I rue the day I am forced too...
I just may have to get a 2WD regular cab 22RE 5sp if this keeps up.
02-16-2005, 03:14 AM
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Hmmm. Is that a 2wd? (important when you brag about mileage and performance) The 4x4s w/ the crappy 3.42 or whatever they are gears aren't any quicker than a good running 1st gen 3.0, btw.
Originally Posted by 3car
LOL, we have one. Its an 01, auto, 4.3 stock, and it runs like a scalded dog, and gets about 20 mpg on average.
You can see it in this pic.
You can see it in this pic.
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02-16-2005, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by green91runner
looking at the 4.3L specs:
90-91: 160hp, 230ft-lbs
92-93: 200hp, 260ft-lbs
for 90-91 at least the 3vze comes pretty close (minus the torque), similar weight between the 2 vehicles... guess depending on the gearing, the 3vze might come close?
mind you, im talking stock numbers only...
90-91: 160hp, 230ft-lbs
92-93: 200hp, 260ft-lbs
for 90-91 at least the 3vze comes pretty close (minus the torque), similar weight between the 2 vehicles... guess depending on the gearing, the 3vze might come close?
mind you, im talking stock numbers only...
02-16-2005, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DMG
Hmmm. Is that a 2wd? (important when you brag about mileage and performance) The 4x4s w/ the crappy 3.42 or whatever they are gears aren't any quicker than a good running 1st gen 3.0, btw.
Have you any experience with a 4.3 S truck? If you did, I seriously doubt you would say it isnt any quicker than a 1st gen 3.0. :rofl:
02-16-2005, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 3car
Have you any experience with a 4.3 S truck? If you did, I seriously doubt you would say it isnt any quicker than a 1st gen 3.0. :rofl:
02-17-2005, 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 3car
crappy 3.42 gears, why so? the GM trucks are geared for power and economy in their powerband.
Have you any experience with a 4.3 S truck? If you did, I seriously doubt you would say it isnt any quicker than a 1st gen 3.0. :rofl:
Have you any experience with a 4.3 S truck? If you did, I seriously doubt you would say it isnt any quicker than a 1st gen 3.0. :rofl:
I also have an 88 3.0 4runner but it recently got 33s so it doesn't compare so favorably anymore.
And you never did answer my question about your 2wd blazer you are comparing to a real 4x4. I have only seen the wheels on your blazer on 2wds.
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02-17-2005, 11:13 AM
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I think that one of the main problems with the 3vz is the PCV system. When people consistantly use high-wax content oils like Pennzoil, that ˟˟˟˟ collects in the motor EVERYWHERE and clogs everything up. Even recirculation of the PCV into the intake leaves a bunch of CRAP that chokes the motor out. After break in with valvoline, its all synthetic for me on the new block im building.
In addition, you have a poorly designed exhaust manifold and air intake system, not to mention the restrictive exhaust if your cat is a few years old. All of the bull˟˟˟˟ emission control vacuum lines need to go out - along with the EGR valve. The only vacuum lines you really need are for the fuel pressure regulator, brake booster and heater control valve..... The rest are getting capped...
The MOTOR really isnt a poor design. Its a very solid, reliable design. However, the complements to the motor could use some improvements.
The motor really isnt complicated to work on.
In addition, you have a poorly designed exhaust manifold and air intake system, not to mention the restrictive exhaust if your cat is a few years old. All of the bull˟˟˟˟ emission control vacuum lines need to go out - along with the EGR valve. The only vacuum lines you really need are for the fuel pressure regulator, brake booster and heater control valve..... The rest are getting capped...
The MOTOR really isnt a poor design. Its a very solid, reliable design. However, the complements to the motor could use some improvements.
The motor really isnt complicated to work on.
02-17-2005, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DMG
I am an ASE Master Tech at a Chevy dealer. So yes, I drive a variety of them every day. There is one in my bay right now for an intake leak.
I also have an 88 3.0 4runner but it recently got 33s so it doesn't compare so favorably anymore.
And you never did answer my question about your 2wd blazer you are comparing to a real 4x4. I have only seen the wheels on your blazer on 2wds.
I also have an 88 3.0 4runner but it recently got 33s so it doesn't compare so favorably anymore.
And you never did answer my question about your 2wd blazer you are comparing to a real 4x4. I have only seen the wheels on your blazer on 2wds.
Now, the curb weight of a 4wd over a 2wd isnt that much. About the weight of my cousin Bubba. Ill invite him along, and still ruin any stock 3L toyota.
I'm not 3.0 bashing here. I love my truck, but I'm just being honest. I've put alot of miles down in several S-10's, including towing some fairly heavy trailers, and I have alot of basis for comparison.
02-18-2005, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 3car
your observations about the 2wd wheels are correct, the wheel offset of the 2wd wheels would make them stick out about 3" or so on a 4wd.
Now, the curb weight of a 4wd over a 2wd isnt that much. About the weight of my cousin Bubba. Ill invite him along, and still ruin any stock 3L toyota.
I'm not 3.0 bashing here. I love my truck, but I'm just being honest. I've put alot of miles down in several S-10's, including towing some fairly heavy trailers, and I have alot of basis for comparison.
Now, the curb weight of a 4wd over a 2wd isnt that much. About the weight of my cousin Bubba. Ill invite him along, and still ruin any stock 3L toyota.
I'm not 3.0 bashing here. I love my truck, but I'm just being honest. I've put alot of miles down in several S-10's, including towing some fairly heavy trailers, and I have alot of basis for comparison.
3.0/ 4.3
150 hp/160 hp
180 ftlb/ 220 ftlb
4.10 gears/ 3.42 gears
3600lbs/ 3700-3900 lbs
usual trans 5 sp/ 4t60E AT
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02-18-2005, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AgRunner06
We'll see how much you love it when you blow a HG or burn a valve.
The main power complaint about the 3.0 is not because of drag racing or driving fast. It's the matter of being able to pull hills, pass cars, and hold a decent speed with a headwind. My 3.0 is better now that I've done some work to it but there is still more to be desired. The correct gears would also help. Another complaint is that for the lack of power, the gas mileage is pretty crappy. Not to mention the 3.0 is the worst of the Toyota truck engines IMO.
The main power complaint about the 3.0 is not because of drag racing or driving fast. It's the matter of being able to pull hills, pass cars, and hold a decent speed with a headwind. My 3.0 is better now that I've done some work to it but there is still more to be desired. The correct gears would also help. Another complaint is that for the lack of power, the gas mileage is pretty crappy. Not to mention the 3.0 is the worst of the Toyota truck engines IMO.
