Locker for Daily Driver - Page 2

JHupp · 01-30-2006, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by YotaNate

I've had lockrights, ez lockers, detroits, and spools. Right now I'm running aussie lockers and I'm very happy with them. Quieter and smoother than a lockright or ez locker, and easier on tires and cheaper than a detroit. I found them on the PBB vendor page for 230 shipped.

damn, damn, damn, damn, damn everyone has good things to say about the AUssie locker, and I would buy one right now, but they dont make one for a 3rd gen with the 4 pin 8" gears. I think I'm going lockright, from the e-bay link above, although I may wait on this, I can't decide what I'm going to do first, I still have a body lift on order, and I think I want a TJM front bumper.

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JHupp · 01-30-2006, 08:01 AM

Ok, well, to hell with it, I broke down and bought a Lockright this morning on e-bay from the link in the replies above. $220 shipped. I'm trying to get it on by 2/12 for my trip to paragon. If I hate it, it will be for sale on here in a few weeks. I am pretty confident it should do the trick, but we shall see. I'm gonna give the gear oil a shot too, any idea where I can pick it up? I have a NAPA and a PEP Boys like 10 minutes away. Thanks for all the wonderful info,
Jason

Napoleon047 · 01-30-2006, 08:42 AM

the redline oil you can order from summitracing.com

congrats on the locker! you will soon realize how much bang for the buck you actually got!

JHupp · 01-30-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Napoleon047

the redline oil you can order from summitracing.com

congrats on the locker! you will soon realize how much bang for the buck you actually got!

Awesome, thanks for the tip, any idea if it's something NAPA would have too? And I'm guessing I could check the manual for the capacity I need. I hope I wind up liking this, while it was only $200, and the installation looks easy enough, I dont want it to handle too too bad on the road. On my first wheeling trip to Wharton, the guys with the lockers made it through the mud noticeably better w/ same lift, and similar tires. I was spinning the tires and just crawling through in 4wd with the center diff locked. Thanks for the help again!
Jason

ecchamberlin · 01-30-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ebelen1

Eric, did some research on these and the website doesn't show an Aussie fitting our 3rd gens. It says rear 8", years 84-89. Is this the same? Here's a link to my research: http://www.aussielocker.com/make.php.../6b4a/99/.html

Again this is why I love YT. Good looking out. I thought that all 8" rears where created equal. Good info!
Thank You

I have just heard that they are less noisy and have better street manners which is what I am looking for in a rear locker.

ebelen1 · 01-30-2006, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ecchamberlin

Again this is why I love YT. Good looking out. I thought that all 8" rears where created equal. Good info!
Thank You

I have just heard that they are less noisy and have better street manners which is what I am looking for in a rear locker.

No prob. I've been looking into the same thing but after PMing a few people, I'm pretty sure I don't want a full-time locker in the rear. Even though I play my music loud, I don't think I'd like hearing the rear end click every time I make some kind of turn.

ecchamberlin · 01-30-2006, 04:40 PM

I really like the Toy e-locker that I had in my Taco TRD but the whole swap seems like a big PITA. Finding one it the easy part but what condition is it in. You really cannot be sure about it until you install it and if it is damaged goods you have mod'd your axle housing. ARB seems the only good solution to do it right and have good streetability.

JHupp · 01-30-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ecchamberlin

ARB seems the only good solution to do it right and have good streetability.

Well, I'll find out in like a week if that is the case, I allready bought the lockright, and if the truck still handles well with it in in New Jersey, it should just about anywhere else. If I don't like, I figure I can sell it, and shouldnt be out too much money. I was not a big fan of the ARB because of the price. I want somethign cheap, and failsafe. Howvere I want it to hold up on the road, I'm wanted to see if this was a realistic desire or just foolish. So, I'll get back to you by week's end, when I get my Lock Right in the mail.

ecchamberlin · 01-30-2006, 07:09 PM

Will be following how that goes for you. Especially because you have a 01.

JHupp · 01-30-2006, 08:44 PM

I see Simon just put one in too, I asked him for tips and such, as I have never messed with any diff before. Everyone has said the install was super easy, he seems to have had some trouble with it though. I will also be awaiting his review befor I install the thing.

hillbilly · 01-31-2006, 04:54 AM

Out of curiosity, I emailed Aussie Locker about why they don't make a 4 pin 8" locker for 2001-2002 4Runners. Here's what their Engineering department responded with:

"The 4 pinion differential requires a different design than we use in our Aussie Locker. Most locker manufacturer use the existing axle gears in the diff and then provide a cam gear (our term) that drives the standard OEM axle gears. So you get a hybrid locker in this type of design. We feel that the design approach that provides the most long term reliability is for a full locker set and that would require that the diff be disassembled and the backlash would have to be reset. This takes the installation of the locker outside of the scope of a "do it yourself" project for most people. We are looking at other design concepts but we do not have a date when engineering might have something to test. We apologize that we are unable to meet your locker requirement at this time."

Napoleon047 · 01-31-2006, 09:18 AM

that is BS, you have to dissasemble the whole diff with the 4cyl as well. if they are going to be like that, i wouldnt hold my breath

ive installed
1-ez locker
1-lockright
2-aussie lockers

and guess what, they are all exactly the same!!!

JHupp · 01-31-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Napoleon047

what, they are all exactly the same!!!

in a good way or bad way for a daily driver?? Ever done a V6 4runner?? How was it?? any hints would be greatly appreciated, as I have never done any differential work before. Thanks!

JHupp · 01-31-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon

I went out for a drive last night and tried some pretty tight turns, it went just fine, some very little jump if you give it too much gas in the turn but thats it. I haven't got to take it off road yet becuase of all the snow we have here. As far as the install, I hadn't ever taken a 3rd apart before either, but its not too bad. Drain the diff, the axel shafts are really easy to take out: There is a little pin on the back of the drum the dissconnect the e-brake cable and then unscrew the brake lines, and remove the 4 bolts on the back of the drum and pull them out a couple inches. Mine came out really easy. Mark the drive shaft when you unbolt that, I just had some white out to mark things. You might want to take the drive shaft off the front too just so you have more room to work under the truck. The 3rd member is heavyer than it looks, it helps to have 2 people there. Once you get the 3rd out make sure to mark everything you touch. It makes things a lot easier on the re-assembly. The key things to mark are the bearing adjustor rings (the ones with all the holes in them) and mark the ring gear when you unblot the 10 or so bolts on the carrier. Once you get the locker in, put everything back together just the way it was, fill the diff, bleed the brakes if you have too, I didn't have too, put the tires back on, and go for a test drive.

Thought this might be very useful info for anyone else considering a locker for a daily driver. I am more optimistic about this now, I hope I have just as much luck as SImon had. GREAT review!!!

YotaNate · 01-31-2006, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Napoleon047

that is BS, you have to dissasemble the whole diff with the 4cyl as well. if they are going to be like that, i wouldnt hold my breath

ive installed
1-ez locker
1-lockright
2-aussie lockers

and guess what, they are all exactly the same!!!

What Aussie is saying is that a 4 spider gear setup would require a new case, similar to a detroit or arb. Thus you would have to redo the settings on your backlash and recheck the pattern. You don't have to do that if you mearly remove the ring gear and replace it, as with the 4 cyl diff.

JHupp · 01-31-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by YotaNate

What Aussie is saying is that a 4 spider gear setup would require a new case, similar to a detroit or arb. Thus you would have to redo the settings on your backlash and recheck the pattern. You don't have to do that if you mearly remove the ring gear and replace it, as with the 4 cyl diff.

this is not true with the lock right correct?

Silver_Truck · 01-31-2006, 05:33 PM

you just pull the 3rd then split the spider gear case and pull out the spiders, drop in half the locker, put in the cross shafts then put in the springs and the other half of the locker and bolt it back together then put the 3rd back in. make sure to mark the bearing adjuster caps so you get the same tightness when u put it back together. Also as far as redline goes just call around, napa here doesn't carry it but carquest does so I'd just call places around you.

JHupp · 01-31-2006, 05:46 PM

Yeah, I might give it a shot with one of the guys from TTORA, he did one on a '98 Taco, so I think I'm going to ask him to give me a hand, as for the il, Simon suggested a different one in his thread, I will give that a shot first.

amorphous · 01-31-2006, 06:09 PM

for a new vehicle like yours, I'd say either go w/ the Detroit Soft Locker or Aussie for a full time locker. And yeah, wet and snow will change the way it handles but it's REALLLLLY not like "spoooky scarey handling" like everyone seems to talk up. Just don't freaking slam the gas and yer fine. Keep your tire pressures the same and it won't freak out on the pavement as well....

JHupp · 01-31-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by amorphous

for a new vehicle like yours, I'd say either go w/ the Detroit Soft Locker or Aussie for a full time locker. And yeah, wet and snow will change the way it handles but it's REALLLLLY not like "spoooky scarey handling" like everyone seems to talk up. Just don't freaking slam the gas and yer fine. Keep your tire pressures the same and it won't freak out on the pavement as well....

I bought the LockRight allready, what kind of locker are you running in yours, I have a similar setup, but only 32"s, and mine is only a few years newer. I'm not too worried about the snow, it really can't get much worse here, I'm used to slipping and sliding everywhere, plus Ill probably start using 4 wheel in the snow if it gets too too bad. AUssie doesnt make a locker for my model runner, but Ive heard pretty good things about it. Thanks for the input.

amorphous · 01-31-2006, 07:08 PM

ah, DNK aussie was not making a locker for 3rd gens rears.

i've got a detroit soft locker in the 4r - i love it. AND, as most peeps say, the best mod ever done to their vehicle.

careful with using 4wd on pavement. That's were I always seem to get into trouble!

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JHupp · 02-02-2006, 02:16 PM

ok, really stupid question, but if I put a locker in the front, it would basically be on all of the time, not just in 4wd right? I don't think I'm going to install the lockright in the rear, I didnt really really need it for the light offroading I do, and I noly go like once a month, don't think it will even be worth it, espcially if the on-road characteristics will be different. But, if I could put one in the front, and only have it come on with the 4wd, I would do that.

amorphous · 02-02-2006, 03:34 PM

you'd be better served putting a locker in the rear first.

JHupp · 02-02-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by amorphous

you'd be better served putting a locker in the rear first.

yeah, I know for off-road that would be way better, but like I said, it is a DD, so I don't want to notice it on-road. Howveer, my thoughts on this may be unrealistic, but I don't want to spend a lot of money either. If I could toss a Lock-right in the front, and never feel it until I turn on the 4wd, I would be happier than a pig in shhhhh, anyway, I really don't know, but will you be able to feel a locker in the front even when the 4wd is off?

tc · 02-02-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by amorphous

you'd be better served putting a locker in the rear first.

Why?

I'm just thinking I have a front wheel off the ground a lot more often than the rear...(I'm considering a TruTrac in the rear and a locker in the front too)

01-30-2006, 08:01 AM	#27 (permalink)
JHupp Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,159	Ok, well, to hell with it, I broke down and bought a Lockright this morning on e-bay from the link in the replies above. $220 shipped. I'm trying to get it on by 2/12 for my trip to paragon. If I hate it, it will be for sale on here in a few weeks. I am pretty confident it should do the trick, but we shall see. I'm gonna give the gear oil a shot too, any idea where I can pick it up? I have a NAPA and a PEP Boys like 10 minutes away. Thanks for all the wonderful info, Jason __________________ Jason '06 F250 Super Duty Daily Driver '01 Toyota 4Runner Sport 265/75/16 BFG ATs, OME 881s w/ spacers front, OME 891s rear, SS roll bar, and some other stuff. Out of Commision njttora.com

01-30-2006, 08:42 AM	#28 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 995	the redline oil you can order from summitracing.com congrats on the locker! you will soon realize how much bang for the buck you actually got! __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

01-30-2006, 04:40 PM	#32 (permalink)
ecchamberlin Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,917	I really like the Toy e-locker that I had in my Taco TRD but the whole swap seems like a big PITA. Finding one it the easy part but what condition is it in. You really cannot be sure about it until you install it and if it is damaged goods you have mod'd your axle housing. ARB seems the only good solution to do it right and have good streetability. __________________ Eric 2001 4Runner with stuff: http://www.ultimateyota.com/index.ph...6&topic=1098.0

01-30-2006, 07:09 PM	#34 (permalink)
ecchamberlin Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,917	Will be following how that goes for you. Especially because you have a 01. __________________ Eric 2001 4Runner with stuff: http://www.ultimateyota.com/index.ph...6&topic=1098.0

01-30-2006, 08:44 PM	#35 (permalink)
JHupp Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,159	I see Simon just put one in too, I asked him for tips and such, as I have never messed with any diff before. Everyone has said the install was super easy, he seems to have had some trouble with it though. I will also be awaiting his review befor I install the thing. __________________ Jason '06 F250 Super Duty Daily Driver '01 Toyota 4Runner Sport 265/75/16 BFG ATs, OME 881s w/ spacers front, OME 891s rear, SS roll bar, and some other stuff. Out of Commision njttora.com

01-31-2006, 04:54 AM	#36 (permalink)
hillbilly Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lat: 40° 47' 01" Long:-78° 00' 58" Posts: 756	Out of curiosity, I emailed Aussie Locker about why they don't make a 4 pin 8" locker for 2001-2002 4Runners. Here's what their Engineering department responded with: "The 4 pinion differential requires a different design than we use in our Aussie Locker. Most locker manufacturer use the existing axle gears in the diff and then provide a cam gear (our term) that drives the standard OEM axle gears. So you get a hybrid locker in this type of design. We feel that the design approach that provides the most long term reliability is for a full locker set and that would require that the diff be disassembled and the backlash would have to be reset. This takes the installation of the locker outside of the scope of a "do it yourself" project for most people. We are looking at other design concepts but we do not have a date when engineering might have something to test. We apologize that we are unable to meet your locker requirement at this time." __________________ -Scott '01 Black SR5 4x4 w/ Black Pearl's: Detroit Truetrac \| Tundra/OME 890s w/ Tokico Trekmasters \| SS Diff Drop/Panhard \| Tundra rotors/calipers \| Rear Diff Breather Extension \| Hayden cooler \| K&N \| ISR \| Deckplate \| Jet Black PC'd LC 16x8's w/ LT265/75R16 Cooper S/T's "He who wants to protect everything, protects nothing." -Lt. Gen. Adolf Galland, Luftwaffe "There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare." -Sun Tzu, The Art of War

01-31-2006, 09:18 AM	#37 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 995	that is BS, you have to dissasemble the whole diff with the 4cyl as well. if they are going to be like that, i wouldnt hold my breath ive installed 1-ez locker 1-lockright 2-aussie lockers and guess what, they are all exactly the same!!! __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

01-31-2006, 05:33 PM	#42 (permalink)
Silver_Truck Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: B'ham, WA Posts: 1,820	you just pull the 3rd then split the spider gear case and pull out the spiders, drop in half the locker, put in the cross shafts then put in the springs and the other half of the locker and bolt it back together then put the 3rd back in. make sure to mark the bearing adjuster caps so you get the same tightness when u put it back together. Also as far as redline goes just call around, napa here doesn't carry it but carquest does so I'd just call places around you. __________________ -Geoff 1991 Toyota Pickup Ext. Cab SR5 4x4 V6 5 spd K&N intake, port & polished heads with OS valves, port & polished intake manifold and plenum, NWOR headers and crossover, NWOR catback, Denso Iridium plugs, Redline Fluids, 4.88s, Rear LockRight, Aisin hubs, Chevy springs, BJ spacers, 2" RB body lift, 34x10.5 Swamper LTBs, WolphisWorks Sliders and bumpers, 400,000 mi. Last edited by Silver_Truck; 01-31-2006 at 05:34 PM.*

01-31-2006, 05:46 PM	#43 (permalink)
JHupp Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,159	Yeah, I might give it a shot with one of the guys from TTORA, he did one on a '98 Taco, so I think I'm going to ask him to give me a hand, as for the il, Simon suggested a different one in his thread, I will give that a shot first. __________________ Jason '06 F250 Super Duty Daily Driver '01 Toyota 4Runner Sport 265/75/16 BFG ATs, OME 881s w/ spacers front, OME 891s rear, SS roll bar, and some other stuff. Out of Commision njttora.com

01-31-2006, 06:09 PM	#44 (permalink)
amorphous Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 839	for a new vehicle like yours, I'd say either go w/ the Detroit Soft Locker or Aussie for a full time locker. And yeah, wet and snow will change the way it handles but it's REALLLLLY not like "spoooky scarey handling" like everyone seems to talk up. Just don't freaking slam the gas and yer fine. Keep your tire pressures the same and it won't freak out on the pavement as well.... __________________ 98 4runner sr5 33"s and locked with the usual suspects

01-31-2006, 07:08 PM	#46 (permalink)
amorphous Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 839	ah, DNK aussie was not making a locker for 3rd gens rears. i've got a detroit soft locker in the 4r - i love it. AND, as most peeps say, the best mod ever done to their vehicle. careful with using 4wd on pavement. That's were I always seem to get into trouble! a __________________ 98 4runner sr5 33"s and locked with the usual suspects

02-02-2006, 02:16 PM	#47 (permalink)
JHupp Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,159	ok, really stupid question, but if I put a locker in the front, it would basically be on all of the time, not just in 4wd right? I don't think I'm going to install the lockright in the rear, I didnt really really need it for the light offroading I do, and I noly go like once a month, don't think it will even be worth it, espcially if the on-road characteristics will be different. But, if I could put one in the front, and only have it come on with the 4wd, I would do that. __________________ Jason '06 F250 Super Duty Daily Driver '01 Toyota 4Runner Sport 265/75/16 BFG ATs, OME 881s w/ spacers front, OME 891s rear, SS roll bar, and some other stuff. Out of Commision njttora.com

02-02-2006, 03:34 PM	#48 (permalink)
amorphous Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 839	you'd be better served putting a locker in the rear first. __________________ 98 4runner sr5 33"s and locked with the usual suspects

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