just throwing this swap idea out there"HEMI"

deprunner · 06-01-2006, 03:17 PM

this might be a very silly question but i have to know. It is at all possible to put a hemi in a 3rd gen 4runner? what do you all think.I have access to a recently wrecked dodge 1500 with a perfectly good hemi motor in it with 10k miles on it. right now its only a thought, but if it might be possible i would def. like to try it. dont get me wrong theres nothing wrong with my 3.4 but come on its a hemi....sweeeeeeeeeeeet.

what do you all think?

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deprunner · 06-01-2006, 03:26 PM

there has to be someone else out there who has thought about this.

garrett1478 · 06-01-2006, 03:39 PM

dude, it's been 9 minutes.

deprunner · 06-01-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by garrett1478

dude, it's been 9 minutes.

is it that obvious im excited lol

Jimmeh · 06-01-2006, 03:43 PM

Do you want your Toyota to guzzle gas that much more?

da_bigg_wigg · 06-01-2006, 03:47 PM

i dont think its a question of fuel. It would definately be unique, to say the least. I can imagine that there would be a whole ton of custom work to make that work. I don't know if the engine bay could even house something that big. Am I wrong?

881stGenRunner · 06-01-2006, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by da_bigg_wigg

i dont think its a question of fuel. It would definately be unique, to say the least. I can imagine that there would be a whole ton of custom work to make that work. I don't know if the engine bay could even house something that big. Am I wrong?

I believe you be correct. (Just guessing)

deprunner · 06-01-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmeh

Do you want your Toyota to guzzle gas that much more?

gas isnt that much of a problem. being as i have acompany car that i drive mostly. i just want to know if it will fit.

Cebby · 06-01-2006, 04:14 PM

Dr. Frankenstein, paging Dr. Frankenstein. The new generation Hemi has a weak bottom end - not to mention the obvious compatibility issues. Entire drivetrain would need to be swapped, stand alone ECU, etc. Also, take a look at the width of the Hemi - would likely take alot of work to fit one to a 3rd Gen.

Want to know if it will fit? No one has done it, so break out a tape measure and let us know.

IMO, you could twin turbo your 3.4 for less.

deprunner · 06-01-2006, 04:17 PM

thanks for the input thats what im looking for. i have the trany availiable too

deprunner · 06-01-2006, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cebby

IMO, you could twin turbo your 3.4 for less.

what are we talking about? the price, becuase the engine and trany are free. the only thing i would need are all the other small stuff. thats if this is possible.

JGM · 06-01-2006, 07:06 PM

Everything is possible with a lot of money, time, and access to excellent mechanical and fabrication skills. The biggest problem I see with it (as with many other engine swaps) is that you are getting rid of a Toyota engine. Doesn't make sense to me.

If I were you, I'd take the engine and tranny and sell'em on ebay. My 0.02.

MTL_4runner · 06-01-2006, 07:11 PM

Anything is possible, but I doubt most would even venture to swap for a chevy 350 let alone a Hemi. For the money most would be opting for a more modern approach like creating boost or adding NOS rather than just adding cubic inches. I can't imagine what the gas mileage would look like.

Definately would peg the redneck meter IMHO.

snap-on · 06-01-2006, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deprunner

what are we talking about? the price, becuase the engine and trany are free. the only thing i would need are all the other small stuff. thats if this is possible.

all the other "small" stuff

: oh thats a good one!

I dought you could fit it between the fender wells. MY guess your looking at a 3" BL to fit it. Wireing would be an abslolute nightmare.

and i suppose you lose 4x4? unless you go with some other bolt up GM tranny/transfer case combo?

my guess is youd have to relocate everything underneet to fit it. All new suspension on the front end to carry the beast.

i just dont see the point.

I drive my toyota's for there drivetrain, not there stunning looks. you go repalceing all the drivetrain, you might as well wrapped it on some GM sheetmetal also.

KyleT · 06-01-2006, 08:13 PM

what kind of hemi? BMW makes good engines and they are hemispherical head designs.

breknraj · 06-01-2006, 09:07 PM

Hmmmmmm - I'd be intereseted in the 3.4 and ECU (if it's a 5-speed)!

just sayin'......!

;-)

OutdoorLiving · 06-02-2006, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garrett1478

dude, it's been 9 minutes.

emptypockets · 06-02-2006, 05:29 AM

Nice idea, although there's a lot to consider other than just the physical engine size. A few years back, I swapped a 302 V8 into a Ford Ranger truck and even went to far as to buy a complete swap kit from Advanced Adapters. The engine fit pretty well, and obviously it wasn't nearly as wide as the Hemi.

I spent about $5000 on the whole thing and even was able to keep most of the drive train (except the tranny)! There was no room for the A/C system and I LOST my 4X4 control altogether! Man, was I dissappointed!!! The Hemi is definitely something awesome to dream about...but it would probably turn out to be a nightmare!

881stGenRunner · 06-02-2006, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snap-on

and i suppose you lose 4x4? unless you go with some other bolt up GM tranny/transfer case combo?

my guess is youd have to relocate everything underneet to fit it. All new suspension on the front end to carry the beast.

i just dont see the point.

His runner isnt a 4x4 he states in his sig that it is 2wd.

CoedNaked · 06-02-2006, 06:34 AM

The Hemi is cool if you want a car engine and you like domestic junk. The Hemi's peak HP is at 5600 RPM, peak torque at 4200 RPM. Plus when your tranny goes who do you take it to, chrysler or toyota to get it fixed?

bamachem · 06-02-2006, 07:04 AM

sell the hemi engine and transmission. use the money to get a supercharger and URD fuel kit for the 3.4L and a valve body upgrade for the transmission (about $3300 total). that will be cheaper than the expense of swapping over to a crappy dodge/chrysler V8 with a problematic slushbox in the long run. you'd maintain your toyota dependability, have about 300HP and 300ft-lb of torque, and would have some decent resale value if you ever wanted to go back to stock and sell off the goodies and then sell the runner.

Cypressdog · 06-02-2006, 07:32 AM

Hey I can turn your lawn mower into a Corvette. Hell I could build you a helicopter out of your Blender. There are only 2 questions to ask when doing this how much money you want to spend and why in the world would you want to do it? Some say just to see if it can be done and with enough money and resources to throw at something there is just about nothing short of time travel and teleportation that cant be done. I think if you want a Hemi go buy a truck with a Hemi in it. My brother in law has one, real nice truck if you like that sort of thing. I think it costs Dodge probably $25,000 USD to build a Hemi truck and I bet that it would cost you close to that to build yours even with the free engine and tranny. Just my .02 cents and that is all I would invest in swapping a Hemi into my Toy

Cypressdog

deprunner · 06-02-2006, 07:51 AM

you all bring up some very interesting pionts, like i said it is just an idea a long shot that i even didnt think were posssible i just had to post about it, but the more i look into it and do some research it doesnt look possible at all or practicle to fit with out major reconstruction. thats why i started this post, i just wanted to get some opinions and thoughts, thanks guys,

Red3.slow · 06-02-2006, 10:52 AM

my dad dealt with late model christler and GM products when I was growing up. We went though 3 of christler and its branches vheicles all the motors blew at less than 40 thousand. Then my dad bought a 97' asto van. with a V6 truck power train. motor blew at 60,000 put a new one in ran ok for another 40k started running rough.... new trans, alt, radiator, so on and so forth. well now we have a 95' 4runner 186k (mine) 96' 4runner my dad's 121K both are in great shape. Why is that you might ask. Where not horribly gental on them. It's just there not american drivetrains. Sorry to be so sinical twards the Made in U.S.A cars but its the truth.

boraxman · 06-02-2006, 08:22 PM

Dont even put that Dodge crap in your Toyota.

06-01-2006, 03:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
deprunner Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fl, tampa Posts: 107	there has to be someone else out there who has thought about this. __________________ 97 2wd desert dune with a few mods.tundra/ome lif, trd decals, satoshi mod, to name a few.

06-01-2006, 03:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
da_bigg_wigg Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Halifax, NS Posts: 1,250	i dont think its a question of fuel. It would definately be unique, to say the least. I can imagine that there would be a whole ton of custom work to make that work. I don't know if the engine bay could even house something that big. Am I wrong? __________________ -1992 4Runner (Medallist Edition) Still given 'er 16 years later -Santa Cruz Bullit -Giant STP1 -Empty Wallet Adam

06-01-2006, 04:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
Cebby Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11,246	Dr. Frankenstein, paging Dr. Frankenstein. The new generation Hemi has a weak bottom end - not to mention the obvious compatibility issues. Entire drivetrain would need to be swapped, stand alone ECU, etc. Also, take a look at the width of the Hemi - would likely take alot of work to fit one to a 3rd Gen. Want to know if it will fit? No one has done it, so break out a tape measure and let us know. IMO, you could twin turbo your 3.4 for less. __________________ UZswap.com A site dedicated to sharing info for swapping the Toyota/ Lexus UZ (V8) engines into Toyota Trucks and 4Runners. My 4Runner 1993 4Runner, 1UZ (V8) auto dual ultimate crawler, double locked, 35's on beadlocked SR5 alloys, low lift, hacked fenders, tubbed firewall, custom armor TOOLandFAB.com A discussion forum dedicated to tools, fabrication & workshops. See my JD2 Bender Hydro Conversion BUY THIS 2008 CALENDAR

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deprunner Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fl, tampa Posts: 107	thanks for the input thats what im looking for. i have the trany availiable too __________________ 97 2wd desert dune with a few mods.tundra/ome lif, trd decals, satoshi mod, to name a few.

06-01-2006, 07:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
JGM Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 342	Everything is possible with a lot of money, time, and access to excellent mechanical and fabrication skills. The biggest problem I see with it (as with many other engine swaps) is that you are getting rid of a Toyota engine. Doesn't make sense to me. If I were you, I'd take the engine and tranny and sell'em on ebay. My 0.02. __________________ 1996 4Runner & 1971 FJ40

06-01-2006, 03:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
garrett1478 Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 0	dude, it's been 9 minutes.

06-01-2006, 07:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
MTL_4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal, QC Canada Posts: 8,807	Anything is possible, but I doubt most would even venture to swap for a chevy 350 let alone a Hemi. For the money most would be opting for a more modern approach like creating boost or adding NOS rather than just adding cubic inches. I can't imagine what the gas mileage would look like. Definately would peg the redneck meter IMHO. __________________ - Jamie 1996 4Runner SR5 4X4 Auto Deckplate Mod, Hayden Tranny Cooler, Amsoil Air Filter, OME 881/906 N86C/N91SC Lift Best OBD II scan tool I have used!. .....and I am AMERICAN! Last edited by MTL_4runner; 06-01-2006 at 07:13 PM.

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KyleT Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fort Worth, TEXAS Posts: 1,087	what kind of hemi? BMW makes good engines and they are hemispherical head designs. __________________ - Kyle Former Owner of - 1996 Sunfire Red Metallic 4Runner Limited updated 10/31/06 OEM/TRD Lift Kit #1 from Sonoran Steel with 1 Top-out spacer - Lexus GX470 rims - 295/70r17 Nitto Terra Grapplers Yukon 4.88's, E-Locked Rear, Waiting to blow up front diff #2

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breknraj Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Summit County, Colorado Posts: 898	Hmmmmmm - I'd be intereseted in the 3.4 and ECU (if it's a 5-speed)! just sayin'......! ;-)

06-02-2006, 05:29 AM	#18 (permalink)
emptypockets Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Spencer, Iowa Posts: 842	Nice idea, although there's a lot to consider other than just the physical engine size. A few years back, I swapped a 302 V8 into a Ford Ranger truck and even went to far as to buy a complete swap kit from Advanced Adapters. The engine fit pretty well, and obviously it wasn't nearly as wide as the Hemi. I spent about $5000 on the whole thing and even was able to keep most of the drive train (except the tranny)! There was no room for the A/C system and I LOST my 4X4 control altogether! Man, was I dissappointed!!! The Hemi is definitely something awesome to dream about...but it would probably turn out to be a nightmare! __________________ Model: '02 4Runner SR5 - White On Natural Oak, Tan Interior Engine/Performance: 3.4L V6, Auto, AndyMod, Jardine Catback Exhaust, S&B Intake Rear Suspension: 3.75" lift with LC coils and Rancho RS5000 shocks Front Suspension: 3" lift with OME 882 springs and OME N91sc shocks, Diff Drop Tires: 285/75 R16 Fierce Attitude M/T's, Pacer 164P Alloy Wheels Misc: Full Time Power Outlet Mod, Extra Power Outlet Mod, GE Nighthawks My Profile: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2915959

06-02-2006, 06:34 AM	#20 (permalink)
CoedNaked Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 1,473	The Hemi is cool if you want a car engine and you like domestic junk. The Hemi's peak HP is at 5600 RPM, peak torque at 4200 RPM. Plus when your tranny goes who do you take it to, chrysler or toyota to get it fixed? __________________ 1993 Xtra Cab Pickup \| 4x4 \| 3.0 - V6 \| R150F \| Silver-Grey \| Amsoil 10w30 synthetic oil \| Amsoil Synthetic Drivetrain fluids\| Borla Cat-back Exhaust \| OME HD Leaf Springs \| Bilstein HD Shocks \| Downey Idler Arm Brace \| Grey Husky Liners \| SR5 Bucket Seat Swap \| Color matched Canopy \| Yakima racks \| Line-X OTR \| Michelin LTX A/T 31 x 10.5 x 15 \| 323,600 KM's (202,250 miles) \| Made in Japan - Vin starts with "J"\| Fish on

06-02-2006, 07:04 AM	#21 (permalink)
bamachem Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 0	sell the hemi engine and transmission. use the money to get a supercharger and URD fuel kit for the 3.4L and a valve body upgrade for the transmission (about $3300 total). that will be cheaper than the expense of swapping over to a crappy dodge/chrysler V8 with a problematic slushbox in the long run. you'd maintain your toyota dependability, have about 300HP and 300ft-lb of torque, and would have some decent resale value if you ever wanted to go back to stock and sell off the goodies and then sell the runner.

06-02-2006, 07:32 AM	#22 (permalink)
Cypressdog Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Eastern Ont Posts: 18	lawnmower Hey I can turn your lawn mower into a Corvette. Hell I could build you a helicopter out of your Blender. There are only 2 questions to ask when doing this how much money you want to spend and why in the world would you want to do it? Some say just to see if it can be done and with enough money and resources to throw at something there is just about nothing short of time travel and teleportation that cant be done. I think if you want a Hemi go buy a truck with a Hemi in it. My brother in law has one, real nice truck if you like that sort of thing. I think it costs Dodge probably $25,000 USD to build a Hemi truck and I bet that it would cost you close to that to build yours even with the free engine and tranny. Just my .02 cents and that is all I would invest in swapping a Hemi into my Toy Cypressdog

06-02-2006, 07:51 AM	#23 (permalink)
deprunner Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fl, tampa Posts: 107	you all bring up some very interesting pionts, like i said it is just an idea a long shot that i even didnt think were posssible i just had to post about it, but the more i look into it and do some research it doesnt look possible at all or practicle to fit with out major reconstruction. thats why i started this post, i just wanted to get some opinions and thoughts, thanks guys, __________________ 97 2wd desert dune with a few mods.tundra/ome lif, trd decals, satoshi mod, to name a few.

06-02-2006, 10:52 AM	#24 (permalink)
Red3.slow Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Little Rock, Ar Posts: 1,183	my dad dealt with late model christler and GM products when I was growing up. We went though 3 of christler and its branches vheicles all the motors blew at less than 40 thousand. Then my dad bought a 97' asto van. with a V6 truck power train. motor blew at 60,000 put a new one in ran ok for another 40k started running rough.... new trans, alt, radiator, so on and so forth. well now we have a 95' 4runner 186k (mine) 96' 4runner my dad's 121K both are in great shape. Why is that you might ask. Where not horribly gental on them. It's just there not american drivetrains. Sorry to be so sinical twards the Made in U.S.A cars but its the truth.

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