New section, food :) Trip/Camping

***Corey*** · 04-23-2008, 04:20 AM

Many of us here like to camp while out wheeling, exploring.
Some even cook up a quick meal for just a day run.

If you have some recipes you would like to share, the utensils-gear you whip up your meals with, please share your ideas with us.

I am always interested in what-how meals are prepared while out in the backwoods.

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**aviator** · 04-23-2008, 07:02 AM

I'll post some recipes later but for now great pics...
I'm curious as to what has everyones attention looking over the precipace at the right of the 1st pic. I also see the "good humour" man was there lol.

***Corey*** · 04-23-2008, 07:07 AM

That would be this Paul.

From a different run, but that area we park at gives a great view of Mt. Rainier.

**aviator** · 04-23-2008, 07:29 AM

hmm great shot...

***Corey*** · 04-23-2008, 08:44 AM

I have better, but not uploaded now.
That one is kind of washed out.

They do not always turn out good from that vantage point, as the sun is always bright in that one spot most of the time.

**aviator** · 04-23-2008, 08:50 AM

Yeah but that wash out makes it look a little foggy or maybe smokey like from a forest fire or something... adds a bit of "good" drama

Workhorse · 04-23-2008, 08:59 AM

whoo!

i cant wait to get out and do some camping, my girlfriend is a great cook on a campfire or anything you put in front of her

I'm gona have to get her to register on the site one of these days

***Corey*** · 04-23-2008, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aviator

Yeah but that wash out makes it look a little foggy or maybe smokey like from a forest fire or something... adds a bit of "good" drama

Even though this pic is from the early '90s, it is still one I like that shows the mountain.
Up where I shot that, it was about 5,500', the mountain is 14,410' at the summit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Workhorse

whoo!

i cant wait to get out and do some camping, my girlfriend is a great cook on a campfire or anything you put in front of her

I'm gona have to get her to register on the site one of these days

Looking forward to seeing what she has.

I went to chef school for two years right after high school, but never pursued the field.

stormin94 · 04-23-2008, 11:48 PM

I don't really like cooking, but I'll heat up some chili, then cook some hot dogs, and put cheddar cheese on before the hot chili goes on, then put more cheese on top. Mmmmmm........ Make sure you have TP.....or if you're willing to sacrifice a sock, maybe two with those chili dogs, tho.

AppleJack · 04-24-2008, 03:03 AM

If wheeling is the primary event and camping secondary, I just bring my backpacking stove and some Mountain House meals. Obviously I would have to bring water too! However, if camping is more of the primary, I eat better then than I do at home

.

***Corey*** · 04-24-2008, 05:48 AM

I bought a ton of Mountain House products several months back for my survival kit I keep in the rig.

I am going to try a few of them when I camp, but only taste testing them.
I will still cook like I do at home.
I pretty much eat the same way camping as I do at home, I go all out.

My kids when they were little when we use to camp said my cooking was better than their moms

jsn_stockard · 04-24-2008, 06:49 AM

Anything from a dutch oven is sounding really good now!

zlathim · 04-24-2008, 06:52 AM

When I am camping, we prepare big meals and feast.

But when I'm not stricktly camping and doing other things like hunting, fishing, wheeling, etc., I like to have good meals that are quick to make.

I usually marinade steak, chicken breasts and pork steaks and seal them with a vacuum packer (seal a meal), or just use ziplock freezer bags. freeze them if you will be spending several nights. I pack one for every night I will be there.

The day before I leave, I cook up a bunch of baked potatoes. I cook them in the microwave til soft all the way through. Then wrap in tin foil and store those in a big tupperware in the cooler.

Each night a guy throws a steak on the propane grill with the already cooked potatoe. By the time the meat is done, the spud is hot and ready for sour cream.

You eat, throw the paper plate in the fire, and dinner and the dishes are done. No pots or pans to scrub.

Open mouth, pour in liquid refreshment, repeat as desired.

Workhorse · 04-24-2008, 07:12 AM

all this talk about food has made me hungry...

2000t4rAKS · 04-24-2008, 08:49 AM

x2

When I go camping, I bring a Coleman portbale grill and a dutch oven. You can pretty much cook anything with the combination of the two.

***Corey*** · 04-24-2008, 08:53 AM

I have never used a dutch oven, but I have seen them in Cabela's catalog, and read about cooking in them over at Expedition Portal.

I take it is kind of like using a crock pot?

dlbrunner · 05-23-2008, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corey

I have never used a dutch oven, but I have seen them in Cabela's catalog, and read about cooking in them over at Expedition Portal.

I take it is kind of like using a crock pot?

Kinda. You have to keep an eye on them though, the coals change their heat output.

Dutch oven cooking is really the way to go in a "Big" camp.

The key to dutch oven cooking is to season the oven. Hold that thought....

Between my dad and I we have 5 dutch ovens, one 6" (bacon warmer) one 10" (my favorite) two 12" and one 18" (i think).

If you are going to bake in the DO the best seasoning is Veg oil, but when baking you also want to line the oven with foil.

For Stews, meats etc... I like to get the dutch oven good and hot and fry about a pound of bacon in there. Once the bacon is cooked toss it and pour out most of the fat. Then take a paper towel and wipe out the remainder of the grease.

We seasoned one of the 12" ers for baking. for that we heated it up and put some veggie oil in for a while then wiped it out, Like the bacon method. Crisco will also work. I don't bake in a dutch oven anymore so I don't really worry about that.

Let it cool and wipe again.

Once the oven is Seasoned, cleaning becomes a snap. Dump out the food remnants and wipe clean with paper.

One caveat. If you burn something to the side or things get real nasty... Scour with S.O.S. then re-season.

The trick for me has always been to start cooking the meat first, before adding veggies for any stews/soups. Sear the meat to get a good xtra coating of fat in the oven. Even if you have to pull the meat out and set aside, it makes them work a lot better

dlbrunner · 05-23-2008, 04:17 PM

We are getting some good Friday Food action today!!!

***Corey*** · 05-23-2008, 05:19 PM

Thanks for the great tips on the Dutch Ovens.

Yes, this section has really taken off in the past few days.
Found this with Google while searching for the pic below.
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/WE-FrontierRecipes.html

Quote:

Mouse Pie

5 fat field mice

1 cup macaroni

1/2 thinly sliced medium onion

1 medium can tomatoes

1 cup cracker crumbs

Salt and pepper

Boil macaroni 10 minutes. While it is cooking, fry the field mice long enough to fry out some of the excess fat. Grease a casserole with some of this fat and put a layer of macaroni on it. Add onions, then tomatoes, salt and pepper well. Add field mice and cover with remaining macaroni. Sprinkle the top with cracker crumbs. Bake at 375 degrees about 20 minutes or until mice are well done.

RobD · 05-23-2008, 10:18 PM

What if you didn't have 5 fat ones? Could you substitute 10 skinny ones? Or one gopher?

**aviator** · 05-24-2008, 02:01 PM

What about 5 squirels?
or one slightly run over Racoon?
mmm now that's real street food...

JeepRecoveryINC. · 07-30-2009, 06:10 PM

Here's one you can try.

Remember that a rattlesnake is deadly even after it's dead. be mindful of the fangs and poison pouches when handling and cleaning the snake.

~ 1 rattlesnake, cut into 2 inch steaks
~ 1/2 cup teriyaki sauce
~ 1/2 cup honey
~ 1 tbsp fresh ground ginger
~ sesame seeds

In a bowl, mix together the teriyaki sauce, honey and ginger.

Pour marinade into a large zip lock bag. Add the snake steaks.

Squeeze out the air and seal. Refrigerate for at least 3 hours.

Remove the steaks and roll in sesame seeds.

Place on hot grill. Cook over medium heat until done.

Serve and Enjoy!

Let me say that the rattle snake is a dangerous animal and should be avoided at all costs. You should only try to kill them if you are really hungry or don't feel comfortable enough to catch and relocate them and you can't move out of their way. That being said if you do find yourself killing one and would like to try something new give it a shot.
This recipe also works with other snakes that you may come across in the wild.

**aviator** · 07-31-2009, 10:40 AM

Interesting recipe Jeep... but lets remember folks many rattlesnake species are on the endangered/threatened list so hunting them is a big no-no. However as Jeep noted in a survival situation the rules are a little different.
There are some differences but most species are extremely shy and will move out of your way given the chance, and will usually give you plenty of warning before a strike. Remember however that some species may loose their rattles when shedding there skin and so may not be making any noise even though they are shaking their tails to warn you. Further when in the process of shedding some western species in particular are reported to be "moody" and may "strike first and ask questions later" lol... Generally as long as you remain aware of your surroundings you need not fear them. {sorry for the of topic}

Jeep you did not say how to determine "done" or give any instruction on proper "cleaning" methods when butchering a snake these things would be good to know too.

JeepRecoveryINC. · 08-03-2009, 12:27 AM

Sorry about the lack of instructions. Also take note that some folks are allergic to some species of snake, and as far as being endangered, no species of rattle snake is considered endangered so eat up.
As far as cleaning, it's a good idea to wear a good set of gloves when cleaning because the snake is still deadly. It's a good idea to cut the head off a bury or burn it. Take a sharp knife and cut down the length of the belly and pull out anything that looks like an organ and wash out any excess blood. As far as when it's done, you can use the method of poking the fleshy part under the thumb and poking the meat.

**aviator** · 08-03-2009, 09:08 AM

True about "endangered" but several species are considered to be "threatened" which is only one step up from there the NE species "Massassauga Rattlesnake" is one of these, and the "Timber Rattlesnake" is reportedly also rare or non-existant in the northern reaches of it's range though it is quite common in it's southern areas.

Some thing not often thought of when capturing snakes is that once you pin the head/neck you still need to be careful of the tail some species will thrash around and you could be hit in the face or eye. Not a good thing to have happen as you are going in close to the head to cut it off.

04-23-2008, 07:02 AM	#2 (permalink)
aviator Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: COTKU,Ontario,Canada Posts: 7,472	I'll post some recipes later but for now great pics... I'm curious as to what has everyones attention looking over the precipace at the right of the 1st pic. I also see the "good humour" man was there lol. __________________ Silver 1994 Hilux Xtra cab 4x4 3.0 K&N cone filter, ported MAF, advanced timing, oversize exhaust, free flow cat, "rumble" muffler custom covered SR5 seats, map lights, factory AC tv4184 style black interior conversion started mods to come... header, custom centre console, stereo upgrade tinted windows Founding member 1972TLC fan club - Get well soon Mary Toyota Hilux... Get in or Get out of the way.

04-23-2008, 07:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	That would be this Paul. From a different run, but that area we park at gives a great view of Mt. Rainier. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

04-23-2008, 07:29 AM	#4 (permalink)
aviator Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: COTKU,Ontario,Canada Posts: 7,472	hmm great shot... __________________ Silver 1994 Hilux Xtra cab 4x4 3.0 K&N cone filter, ported MAF, advanced timing, oversize exhaust, free flow cat, "rumble" muffler custom covered SR5 seats, map lights, factory AC tv4184 style black interior conversion started mods to come... header, custom centre console, stereo upgrade tinted windows Founding member 1972TLC fan club - Get well soon Mary Toyota Hilux... Get in or Get out of the way.

04-23-2008, 08:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	I have better, but not uploaded now. That one is kind of washed out. They do not always turn out good from that vantage point, as the sun is always bright in that one spot most of the time. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

04-23-2008, 08:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
aviator Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: COTKU,Ontario,Canada Posts: 7,472	Yeah but that wash out makes it look a little foggy or maybe smokey like from a forest fire or something... adds a bit of "good" drama __________________ Silver 1994 Hilux Xtra cab 4x4 3.0 K&N cone filter, ported MAF, advanced timing, oversize exhaust, free flow cat, "rumble" muffler custom covered SR5 seats, map lights, factory AC tv4184 style black interior conversion started mods to come... header, custom centre console, stereo upgrade tinted windows Founding member 1972TLC fan club - Get well soon Mary Toyota Hilux... Get in or Get out of the way.

04-23-2008, 08:59 AM	#7 (permalink)
Workhorse Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Middle of Nowhere Oregon :) Posts: 218	whoo! i cant wait to get out and do some camping, my girlfriend is a great cook on a campfire or anything you put in front of her I'm gona have to get her to register on the site one of these days __________________ 1993 Toyota 4-Runner v6 3.0 SR5 4x4 (My girlfriend's) 2004 Toyota Tacoma v6 SR5 X-Cab 4x4 (My Truck) Old Truck: Stolen and ravaged :( boy do i miss her.. 1987 Toyota 4x4 (IFS) Standard Cab Pickup 22r: cam/distributor/weber 38/offenhouser c series intake, 4 inch suspension lift, 32's, 4:88's, all the fun stuff :(

04-23-2008, 11:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
stormin94 Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lake County, CA/Sacramento Posts: 3,539	I don't really like cooking, but I'll heat up some chili, then cook some hot dogs, and put cheddar cheese on before the hot chili goes on, then put more cheese on top. Mmmmmm........ Make sure you have TP.....or if you're willing to sacrifice a sock, maybe two with those chili dogs, tho. __________________ 1994 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4X4 213,000 miles and counting 3.0 V6, 5 speed 10/15 MPG city/hwy(with 33's) Current Mods Headers, 2.5" Flowmaster custom exhaust, K&N FIPK KC Daylighter 100 Watt lights Ranchos x4, 2" Lift Downey coils 33-12.50 M/T's, 1" t-bar lift, 1" body lift Tow pkg w/ lighthookups Silverstar Headlights, Pioneer Deck w/XM Brushguard 250Watt JLAudio 8" W3 Sub Future Mods 12V Aux outlet-400/800peak inverter roof basket/lights Air locker 4.88 gears H.O. Alternator

04-24-2008, 03:03 AM	#10 (permalink)
AppleJack Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 556	If wheeling is the primary event and camping secondary, I just bring my backpacking stove and some Mountain House meals. Obviously I would have to bring water too! However, if camping is more of the primary, I eat better then than I do at home . __________________ Fires, Friends, and Books Decree Wisdom, Strength, and Controversy. To believe with certainty, one must begin doubting.

04-24-2008, 05:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	I bought a ton of Mountain House products several months back for my survival kit I keep in the rig. I am going to try a few of them when I camp, but only taste testing them. I will still cook like I do at home. I pretty much eat the same way camping as I do at home, I go all out. My kids when they were little when we use to camp said my cooking was better than their moms __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

04-24-2008, 06:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
jsn_stockard Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gainesville Texas Posts: 558	Anything from a dutch oven is sounding really good now! __________________ www.stockardmaintenancesolution.com Leave the trail a cleaner place than it was before you got there

04-24-2008, 06:52 AM	#13 (permalink)
zlathim Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,185	When I am camping, we prepare big meals and feast. But when I'm not stricktly camping and doing other things like hunting, fishing, wheeling, etc., I like to have good meals that are quick to make. I usually marinade steak, chicken breasts and pork steaks and seal them with a vacuum packer (seal a meal), or just use ziplock freezer bags. freeze them if you will be spending several nights. I pack one for every night I will be there. The day before I leave, I cook up a bunch of baked potatoes. I cook them in the microwave til soft all the way through. Then wrap in tin foil and store those in a big tupperware in the cooler. Each night a guy throws a steak on the propane grill with the already cooked potatoe. By the time the meat is done, the spud is hot and ready for sour cream. You eat, throw the paper plate in the fire, and dinner and the dishes are done. No pots or pans to scrub. Open mouth, pour in liquid refreshment, repeat as desired. Last edited by zlathim; 04-24-2008 at 06:57 AM.

04-24-2008, 07:12 AM	#14 (permalink)
Workhorse Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Middle of Nowhere Oregon :) Posts: 218	all this talk about food has made me hungry... __________________ 1993 Toyota 4-Runner v6 3.0 SR5 4x4 (My girlfriend's) 2004 Toyota Tacoma v6 SR5 X-Cab 4x4 (My Truck) Old Truck: Stolen and ravaged :( boy do i miss her.. 1987 Toyota 4x4 (IFS) Standard Cab Pickup 22r: cam/distributor/weber 38/offenhouser c series intake, 4 inch suspension lift, 32's, 4:88's, all the fun stuff :(

04-24-2008, 08:49 AM	#15 (permalink)
2000t4rAKS Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 292	x2 When I go camping, I bring a Coleman portbale grill and a dutch oven. You can pretty much cook anything with the combination of the two. __________________ 2000 4Runner Limited 4x4 Kenwood DNX7100 HU Alpine SPR-17S Component Speakers

04-24-2008, 08:53 AM	#16 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	I have never used a dutch oven, but I have seen them in Cabela's catalog, and read about cooking in them over at Expedition Portal. I take it is kind of like using a crock pot? __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

05-23-2008, 04:17 PM	#18 (permalink)
dlbrunner Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,141	We are getting some good Friday Food action today!!! __________________ Duncan -------------------------------------------------- Current: 95 4X4 SR5 V6, Yakima tracks/rack installed. Aisin hubs. Sonoran Steel IFS Truss. Cobra CB(finally!) Desired: 66 FJ45 shorty EX's: 89 4X4 V6 Downey'd 72 FJ40 W 350/SM465 powertrax, "Billy"

05-23-2008, 10:18 PM	#20 (permalink)
RobD Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 1,727	What if you didn't have 5 fat ones? Could you substitute 10 skinny ones? Or one gopher? __________________ 1991 4Runner, 3.4 5VZFE swap, OME shocks/springs, 33" BFG All Terrain T/A KOs, Pioneer head unit, Infinity speakers, XM Satellite radio

05-24-2008, 02:01 PM	#21 (permalink)
aviator Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: COTKU,Ontario,Canada Posts: 7,472	What about 5 squirels? or one slightly run over Racoon? mmm now that's real street food... __________________ Silver 1994 Hilux Xtra cab 4x4 3.0 K&N cone filter, ported MAF, advanced timing, oversize exhaust, free flow cat, "rumble" muffler custom covered SR5 seats, map lights, factory AC tv4184 style black interior conversion started mods to come... header, custom centre console, stereo upgrade tinted windows Founding member 1972TLC fan club - Get well soon Mary Toyota Hilux... Get in or Get out of the way.

07-30-2009, 06:10 PM	#22 (permalink)
JeepRecoveryINC. Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Port Arthur, Tx Posts: 69	Here's one you can try. Remember that a rattlesnake is deadly even after it's dead. be mindful of the fangs and poison pouches when handling and cleaning the snake. ~ 1 rattlesnake, cut into 2 inch steaks ~ 1/2 cup teriyaki sauce ~ 1/2 cup honey ~ 1 tbsp fresh ground ginger ~ sesame seeds In a bowl, mix together the teriyaki sauce, honey and ginger. Pour marinade into a large zip lock bag. Add the snake steaks. Squeeze out the air and seal. Refrigerate for at least 3 hours. Remove the steaks and roll in sesame seeds. Place on hot grill. Cook over medium heat until done. Serve and Enjoy! Let me say that the rattle snake is a dangerous animal and should be avoided at all costs. You should only try to kill them if you are really hungry or don't feel comfortable enough to catch and relocate them and you can't move out of their way. That being said if you do find yourself killing one and would like to try something new give it a shot. This recipe also works with other snakes that you may come across in the wild.

07-31-2009, 10:40 AM	#23 (permalink)
aviator Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: COTKU,Ontario,Canada Posts: 7,472	Interesting recipe Jeep... but lets remember folks many rattlesnake species are on the endangered/threatened list so hunting them is a big no-no. However as Jeep noted in a survival situation the rules are a little different. There are some differences but most species are extremely shy and will move out of your way given the chance, and will usually give you plenty of warning before a strike. Remember however that some species may loose their rattles when shedding there skin and so may not be making any noise even though they are shaking their tails to warn you. Further when in the process of shedding some western species in particular are reported to be "moody" and may "strike first and ask questions later" lol... Generally as long as you remain aware of your surroundings you need not fear them. {sorry for the of topic} Jeep you did not say how to determine "done" or give any instruction on proper "cleaning" methods when butchering a snake these things would be good to know too. __________________ Silver 1994 Hilux Xtra cab 4x4 3.0 K&N cone filter, ported MAF, advanced timing, oversize exhaust, free flow cat, "rumble" muffler custom covered SR5 seats, map lights, factory AC tv4184 style black interior conversion started mods to come... header, custom centre console, stereo upgrade tinted windows Founding member 1972TLC fan club - Get well soon Mary Toyota Hilux... Get in or Get out of the way. Last edited by aviator; 07-31-2009 at 10:58 AM.

08-03-2009, 12:27 AM	#24 (permalink)
JeepRecoveryINC. Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Port Arthur, Tx Posts: 69	Sorry about the lack of instructions. Also take note that some folks are allergic to some species of snake, and as far as being endangered, no species of rattle snake is considered endangered so eat up. As far as cleaning, it's a good idea to wear a good set of gloves when cleaning because the snake is still deadly. It's a good idea to cut the head off a bury or burn it. Take a sharp knife and cut down the length of the belly and pull out anything that looks like an organ and wash out any excess blood. As far as when it's done, you can use the method of poking the fleshy part under the thumb and poking the meat.

08-03-2009, 09:08 AM	#25 (permalink)
aviator Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: COTKU,Ontario,Canada Posts: 7,472	True about "endangered" but several species are considered to be "threatened" which is only one step up from there the NE species "Massassauga Rattlesnake" is one of these, and the "Timber Rattlesnake" is reportedly also rare or non-existant in the northern reaches of it's range though it is quite common in it's southern areas. Some thing not often thought of when capturing snakes is that once you pin the head/neck you still need to be careful of the tail some species will thrash around and you could be hit in the face or eye. Not a good thing to have happen as you are going in close to the head to cut it off. __________________ Silver 1994 Hilux Xtra cab 4x4 3.0 K&N cone filter, ported MAF, advanced timing, oversize exhaust, free flow cat, "rumble" muffler custom covered SR5 seats, map lights, factory AC tv4184 style black interior conversion started mods to come... header, custom centre console, stereo upgrade tinted windows Founding member 1972TLC fan club - Get well soon Mary Toyota Hilux... Get in or Get out of the way.

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