help swapping buick 225 into my 84

ryantowry_81 · 10-30-2008, 11:16 PM

well i got a free buick 225 for some work i did and i am putting it in my 84 extracab. it was swapped into a GPW (ford flat fender) so i have the conversion bolt in mounts from that and i can make those work, and i got a radiator, all i need is the bell housing and clutch. i have the conversion bell housing that was used to mate the buick to a t-90 and was wondering if i could use this and redrill holes to mount the bell housing to the w series tranny i have? also i need a 10" toyota clutch does anyone know if there is a factory application for these or do you have to buy the one from downey or AA. would like to find one i didn't have to order to keep the price down.

Thanks for any and all input.

Ryan

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ryantowry_81 · 11-03-2008, 12:37 PM

well blew my 22r yesturday so this has taken a higher priority.

well i found out that the kit for the chevy and buick from advanced adapters and downey is the same kit.

any one know if there is a cheaper way to get the right clutch and pressure plate? any factory application for a 10.5" 1-1/8" disc spline, with 21 splines?

Also it says you have to use a high center pressure plate? how is this different from a regular pressure plate?

mouse4x4 · 12-29-2008, 05:07 PM

my sugestion for you would be to get a turbo 350 and adapt it that way the buick is going to shread that yota tranny alive and you can find 350 to toyota adapters everywhere for around 100 bucks

ryantowry_81 · 12-29-2008, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mouse4x4

my sugestion for you would be to get a turbo 350 and adapt it that way the buick is going to shread that yota tranny alive and you can find 350 to toyota adapters everywhere for around 100 bucks

well i already got the AA adapter so we will see how it goes!!

I do alot of deep snow wheeling so i didn't want an auto cause they always seem to overheat and burn up!!

We will see how long the 5-speed lasts, my friend has a 351 with the stock 5-speed and has not had problems yet...and he has alot heavier foot than i!!!

mouse4x4 · 12-29-2008, 06:35 PM

Got cha man If you have any questions about your swap give me a shout and i will see if i can help you out. Auto trans (if you build it it will last) just my
.02

ryantowry_81 · 12-30-2008, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mouse4x4

Got cha man If you have any questions about your swap give me a shout and i will see if i can help you out. Auto trans (if you build it it will last) just my
.02

yeah i could have prob built an auto to hold up i just wne tthe easy way, cause i would have had to relocate the t-case with an auto and i really dont feel like doing the drive shaft game again!.

I like how the buick fits, lots of room all the way around and i think i should be able to get away with using the stock radiator for a while cause it never gets real warm up here. What radiator did you use for this swap?

Also, i almost ditched the buick cause i got a free running 91 chevy with the 4.3 and 5-speed but i had already bought the conversion bell housing, and i couldn't bring my self to part a perfectly good truck!!

mouse4x4 · 12-30-2008, 05:45 PM

you will need to change radiators these buick motors run on the hot side as it is. Extremeradiator.com has a direct bolt in for like 180 bucks it is for a small block swap but it cools the buick great and it bolts to your exsisting holes

ryantowry_81 · 12-30-2008, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mouse4x4

you will need to change radiators these buick motors run on the hot side as it is. Extremeradiator.com has a direct bolt in for like 180 bucks it is for a small block swap but it cools the buick great and it bolts to your exsisting holes

you think the stock rad will hold out for the rest of the winter? it is only like four months old and it only gets to 15 maybe 20 degrees up here all winter?

I saw one guy on pirate that used a stock 3.0 radiator and he was in arazona?

mouse4x4 · 12-31-2008, 04:50 PM

I dont think it will. I had no luck trying it. It was fine idleing but once you started moving it just keep climbing. did you check that site out

ryantowry_81 · 01-02-2009, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mouse4x4

I dont think it will. I had no luck trying it. It was fine idleing but once you started moving it just keep climbing. did you check that site out

that is not a bad price for that radiator, but i have a buddy that will give me a 3 core 3.0 v-6 radiator for 20 bucks so i think i will try that first and then order that one if it dosent work.

Thanks for the input!

It is hard to think of overheating for me right now casue te weather has been in the -20's for about three weeks!! kind of odd to think about overheating in that weather lol

mouse4x4 · 01-03-2009, 07:48 PM

got cha man well if you have any other questions give a shout i will be glade to help ya out

ryantowry_81 · 01-05-2009, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mouse4x4

got cha man well if you have any other questions give a shout i will be glade to help ya out

thanks man.

N204life · 01-07-2009, 09:06 PM

So is there a good step by step kinda deal with swapping the buick into a yota. I was really considering the 5vz 3.4l but i think the buick swap could get me back on the road alot faster. My 3.0 is just tired and needs to get put to rest.

ryantowry_81 · 01-08-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by N204life

So is there a good step by step kinda deal with swapping the buick into a yota. I was really considering the 5vz 3.4l but i think the buick swap could get me back on the road alot faster. My 3.0 is just tired and needs to get put to rest.

there really isn't much to it:
1-AA chevy adapter, which has the old buick bolt pattern also. uses a fj-60 slave and will bolt right up with the stock buick flywheel a clutch disc out of a newer3.4 taco and a gm pressure plate and throwout bearing.

2-motormounts, either buy them or fab the stock mounts to fit the buick like i did.

3- get a gm one wire alt and a factory gm HEI dist (only one hot wire) and factory gm starter with the nose cone shaved down a little. 4 wires total for the entire motor.

4- use the stock GM p/s pump with a custom made high pressure line easily made at any reputable hydraulic hose or tractor store. take in both your old toyota and the gm line and they will reuse the ends and save you alot of time and $$.

5- exhaust, you can buy a set of headers from summit for a buick regal or century from the late 70's and they will fit or you can get some stock manifolds and make them fit like i did if you want to be cheap.

6- but a v-6 swap radiator and an electric fan. I am using the stock radiator for now until summer hits cause i am not really worried cause it has been -20ºF for like 2 months and no light at the end of the tunnel so i think it should work for now. as for electric fan go get a fan from a ford taurus, make sure you get the fan with three wires coming off not two the three wire will blow twice as much air.

I think that about covers it......any other questions feel free to use this thread and i or others who have done it will gladly help you out!! unless you are a ducks fan.....jsut kidding man, i am a coug and my girlfriend was a duck so i am just flipping you S@#$.

good luck, alot cheaper than the 3.4 and ALOT less wiring with the carbed motor!!! parts are cheap too!!

ryantowry_81 · 01-12-2009, 09:38 AM

TS ALIVE!!!!!! didn't get any new pics but got to hear her roar last night!!! all i got to do now is get exhaust done have my custom P/S line made and wire my electric fan and i will out for a test ride!!! i am so stoked!!!

ryantowry_81 · 01-16-2009, 10:19 AM

some teaser pics:
motor pics:

got bored with some spray on bed liner:

patrick added some paint to the hood......

and the sticker:

alli got to do is finish building the exhaust and mont up and plump the P/S pump and wire the fan and we should be good for sunday!!!

Adam F · 01-17-2009, 03:24 PM

Congrats! I know the feeling!

I too sprayed on that bedliner in th exact same pattern. It easily chips off the line where the bedliner meets the paint. Otherwise its not too bad. I might do the entire truck with bedliner.

ryantowry_81 · 01-18-2009, 07:22 PM

thanks man! i know i did that on another truck and had the same prob but then i got some clear coat in a spray canand covered the edges and it solved the problem.

I got to drive the truck for about 50 ft yesturday, i didn't go farther casue the clutch is still not ajusted right and i hads to start her in gear and shut it down to change gears, but i did get to hit the trottle in 2wd hi range and without using the clutch spun both rears on just slightly wet pavement!!!! that might not seem like much but with 39.5's and 4.10s i think that says something for the strength of that motor, and the choke was still on too!!!

i cant wait to get her all tuned up and out on the trail!!! i might actually get out of first low range on the trail now!!

mouse4x4 · 02-06-2009, 07:11 PM

Oh man i remenber when i fired mine up the first time with the buick. Open headers odd fire motor everything sounds great

mouse4x4 · 02-06-2009, 07:12 PM

The engine compartment cleans up nicely with out all the eletronic junk in there dosent it

ryantowry_81 · 02-07-2009, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mouse4x4

The engine compartment cleans up nicely with out all the eletronic junk in there dosent it

yeah i didn't have as much electronics as the 22re guys do but i tore out soooo much emissions stuff it wasn't funny i miss the good old days of seeing your motor and only having a couple wires to run the whole motor!!!

I havent got to drive it yet due to crazy hours at work but i am trying to and i will get video when i do!!!

ryantowry_81 · 03-17-2009, 02:31 PM

Well i finally got to take her out across the street for some snow wheeling and only a couple little bugs to figure out and i will be set!! all i need is a better fitting rad hose cause the one i had was ghetto and burst, P/S belt, and to put on the muffler i have. also i need to get a toyota temp sender so i can know how hot the motor is without an aftermarket gauge, i like the factory look.

The power was sweet though!! i even got to use high range 4wd with out lugging out the motor with 39.5's and 4.10's!! i cant wait to get her on an actual trail!!!

refried · 03-21-2009, 04:19 AM

nice to see the buick conversions still happening. I did mine in '82 and have been very happy with it, I went with the t350 because I had a stick in my smallblock Landcruiser and wanted something easier to drive on the street. I think this is the third or forth engine I put in here but would do it again if I had to. I had an aluminum Buick V8 I was going to install last time but the V6 works and fit so well I rebuilt another and put it back in. The V8 went into my friends baja bug (another great swap)
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ryantowry_81 · 03-22-2009, 11:33 AM

man that looks good!!! i am actually looking for an aluminum buick v-8 to put in, but i would prob go th350 with that much HP and one tons! but that is another build i guess.

so what radiator did you end up using? i have the stock one from my 4cyl right now and figure for the winter up here it will be fine but i am worried about the summer months.

refried · 03-22-2009, 12:17 PM

It's a 3 row that I think I got from Downey, it was about $200 at the time but has never overheated (exept when I had a bad head gasket) even in 90*+ temps on the beach. I think it was a deal since it's lasted over 25 years. Check with a local radiator shop, they should be able to build you one using your ends and mounts if it's in good shape.

11-03-2008, 12:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
ryantowry_81 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 422	well blew my 22r yesturday so this has taken a higher priority. well i found out that the kit for the chevy and buick from advanced adapters and downey is the same kit. any one know if there is a cheaper way to get the right clutch and pressure plate? any factory application for a 10.5" 1-1/8" disc spline, with 21 splines? Also it says you have to use a high center pressure plate? how is this different from a regular pressure plate? __________________ the "Turtle": now the mutant turtle..... 84 ex cab 63" chevies Rears Up Front Square Drive Shaft d60f 14 bolt rear welded both with 5.38's home brew hi steer 42x15-15 TSL's TBI 4.3 V-6 pretty much stock!!! Denali offroad club: http://www.denalioffroadclub.com/for...orum/index.php

12-29-2008, 05:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
mouse4x4 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 41	my sugestion for you would be to get a turbo 350 and adapt it that way the buick is going to shread that yota tranny alive and you can find 350 to toyota adapters everywhere for around 100 bucks __________________ 1987 Toyota 4-Runner Custom SAS All built not bought, dual cases, 4.3 chevy, turbo 350 trans, chevy 64 in the rear , chevy 46 inch springs up front, batterys relocated to rear, interior cage, *(long fields 30 spline, chromo hud cogs, detroit up front, spool rear, 5.29 yukon) All gone now front 60 rear 14 bolt install goint on right now no more lifting off the skinny pedal for me!!!!*, front and rear custom hitch mounts, front stinger, super heavy right foot!!!!!

12-29-2008, 06:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
mouse4x4 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 41	Got cha man If you have any questions about your swap give me a shout and i will see if i can help you out. Auto trans (if you build it it will last) just my .02 __________________ 1987 Toyota 4-Runner Custom SAS All built not bought, dual cases, 4.3 chevy, turbo 350 trans, chevy 64 in the rear , chevy 46 inch springs up front, batterys relocated to rear, interior cage, *(long fields 30 spline, chromo hud cogs, detroit up front, spool rear, 5.29 yukon) All gone now front 60 rear 14 bolt install goint on right now no more lifting off the skinny pedal for me!!!!*, front and rear custom hitch mounts, front stinger, super heavy right foot!!!!!

12-30-2008, 05:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
mouse4x4 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 41	you will need to change radiators these buick motors run on the hot side as it is. Extremeradiator.com has a direct bolt in for like 180 bucks it is for a small block swap but it cools the buick great and it bolts to your exsisting holes __________________ 1987 Toyota 4-Runner Custom SAS All built not bought, dual cases, 4.3 chevy, turbo 350 trans, chevy 64 in the rear , chevy 46 inch springs up front, batterys relocated to rear, interior cage, *(long fields 30 spline, chromo hud cogs, detroit up front, spool rear, 5.29 yukon) All gone now front 60 rear 14 bolt install goint on right now no more lifting off the skinny pedal for me!!!!*, front and rear custom hitch mounts, front stinger, super heavy right foot!!!!!

12-31-2008, 04:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
mouse4x4 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 41	I dont think it will. I had no luck trying it. It was fine idleing but once you started moving it just keep climbing. did you check that site out __________________ 1987 Toyota 4-Runner Custom SAS All built not bought, dual cases, 4.3 chevy, turbo 350 trans, chevy 64 in the rear , chevy 46 inch springs up front, batterys relocated to rear, interior cage, *(long fields 30 spline, chromo hud cogs, detroit up front, spool rear, 5.29 yukon) All gone now front 60 rear 14 bolt install goint on right now no more lifting off the skinny pedal for me!!!!*, front and rear custom hitch mounts, front stinger, super heavy right foot!!!!!

01-03-2009, 07:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
mouse4x4 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 41	got cha man well if you have any other questions give a shout i will be glade to help ya out __________________ 1987 Toyota 4-Runner Custom SAS All built not bought, dual cases, 4.3 chevy, turbo 350 trans, chevy 64 in the rear , chevy 46 inch springs up front, batterys relocated to rear, interior cage, *(long fields 30 spline, chromo hud cogs, detroit up front, spool rear, 5.29 yukon) All gone now front 60 rear 14 bolt install goint on right now no more lifting off the skinny pedal for me!!!!*, front and rear custom hitch mounts, front stinger, super heavy right foot!!!!!

01-07-2009, 09:06 PM	#13 (permalink)
N204life Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Clackamas, Oregon Posts: 39	So is there a good step by step kinda deal with swapping the buick into a yota. I was really considering the 5vz 3.4l but i think the buick swap could get me back on the road alot faster. My 3.0 is just tired and needs to get put to rest.

01-12-2009, 09:38 AM	#15 (permalink)
ryantowry_81 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 422	TS ALIVE!!!!!! didn't get any new pics but got to hear her roar last night!!! all i got to do now is get exhaust done have my custom P/S line made and wire my electric fan and i will out for a test ride!!! i am so stoked!!! __________________ the "Turtle": now the mutant turtle..... 84 ex cab 63" chevies Rears Up Front Square Drive Shaft d60f 14 bolt rear welded both with 5.38's home brew hi steer 42x15-15 TSL's TBI 4.3 V-6 pretty much stock!!! Denali offroad club: http://www.denalioffroadclub.com/for...orum/index.php

01-16-2009, 10:19 AM	#16 (permalink)
ryantowry_81 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 422	some teaser pics: motor pics: got bored with some spray on bed liner: patrick added some paint to the hood...... and the sticker: alli got to do is finish building the exhaust and mont up and plump the P/S pump and wire the fan and we should be good for sunday!!! __________________ the "Turtle": now the mutant turtle..... 84 ex cab 63" chevies Rears Up Front Square Drive Shaft d60f 14 bolt rear welded both with 5.38's home brew hi steer 42x15-15 TSL's TBI 4.3 V-6 pretty much stock!!! Denali offroad club: http://www.denalioffroadclub.com/for...orum/index.php

01-17-2009, 03:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
Adam F Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 2,397	Congrats! I know the feeling! I too sprayed on that bedliner in th exact same pattern. It easily chips off the line where the bedliner meets the paint. Otherwise its not too bad. I might do the entire truck with bedliner. __________________ 88 4Runner. 350 V8, R150 5-speed. SAS, 36" TSL's, elocker rear

01-18-2009, 07:22 PM	#18 (permalink)
ryantowry_81 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 422	thanks man! i know i did that on another truck and had the same prob but then i got some clear coat in a spray canand covered the edges and it solved the problem. I got to drive the truck for about 50 ft yesturday, i didn't go farther casue the clutch is still not ajusted right and i hads to start her in gear and shut it down to change gears, but i did get to hit the trottle in 2wd hi range and without using the clutch spun both rears on just slightly wet pavement!!!! that might not seem like much but with 39.5's and 4.10s i think that says something for the strength of that motor, and the choke was still on too!!! i cant wait to get her all tuned up and out on the trail!!! i might actually get out of first low range on the trail now!! __________________ the "Turtle": now the mutant turtle..... 84 ex cab 63" chevies Rears Up Front Square Drive Shaft d60f 14 bolt rear welded both with 5.38's home brew hi steer 42x15-15 TSL's TBI 4.3 V-6 pretty much stock!!! Denali offroad club: http://www.denalioffroadclub.com/for...orum/index.php

02-06-2009, 07:11 PM	#19 (permalink)
mouse4x4 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 41	Oh man i remenber when i fired mine up the first time with the buick. Open headers odd fire motor everything sounds great __________________ 1987 Toyota 4-Runner Custom SAS All built not bought, dual cases, 4.3 chevy, turbo 350 trans, chevy 64 in the rear , chevy 46 inch springs up front, batterys relocated to rear, interior cage, *(long fields 30 spline, chromo hud cogs, detroit up front, spool rear, 5.29 yukon) All gone now front 60 rear 14 bolt install goint on right now no more lifting off the skinny pedal for me!!!!*, front and rear custom hitch mounts, front stinger, super heavy right foot!!!!!

02-06-2009, 07:12 PM	#20 (permalink)
mouse4x4 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 41	The engine compartment cleans up nicely with out all the eletronic junk in there dosent it __________________ 1987 Toyota 4-Runner Custom SAS All built not bought, dual cases, 4.3 chevy, turbo 350 trans, chevy 64 in the rear , chevy 46 inch springs up front, batterys relocated to rear, interior cage, *(long fields 30 spline, chromo hud cogs, detroit up front, spool rear, 5.29 yukon) All gone now front 60 rear 14 bolt install goint on right now no more lifting off the skinny pedal for me!!!!*, front and rear custom hitch mounts, front stinger, super heavy right foot!!!!!

03-17-2009, 02:31 PM	#22 (permalink)
ryantowry_81 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 422	Well i finally got to take her out across the street for some snow wheeling and only a couple little bugs to figure out and i will be set!! all i need is a better fitting rad hose cause the one i had was ghetto and burst, P/S belt, and to put on the muffler i have. also i need to get a toyota temp sender so i can know how hot the motor is without an aftermarket gauge, i like the factory look. The power was sweet though!! i even got to use high range 4wd with out lugging out the motor with 39.5's and 4.10's!! i cant wait to get her on an actual trail!!! __________________ the "Turtle": now the mutant turtle..... 84 ex cab 63" chevies Rears Up Front Square Drive Shaft d60f 14 bolt rear welded both with 5.38's home brew hi steer 42x15-15 TSL's TBI 4.3 V-6 pretty much stock!!! Denali offroad club: http://www.denalioffroadclub.com/for...orum/index.php

03-21-2009, 04:19 AM	#23 (permalink)
refried Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Republic of Cascadia Posts: 170	nice to see the buick conversions still happening. I did mine in '82 and have been very happy with it, I went with the t350 because I had a stick in my smallblock Landcruiser and wanted something easier to drive on the street. I think this is the third or forth engine I put in here but would do it again if I had to. I had an aluminum Buick V8 I was going to install last time but the V6 works and fit so well I rebuilt another and put it back in. The V8 went into my friends baja bug (another great swap) [IMG][/IMG] __________________ 1981 Shortbed 4x4 Buick 231 V6, Turbo 350 4" springs 35x12.50 15 Bfg MT 300,000+ miles

03-22-2009, 11:33 AM	#24 (permalink)
ryantowry_81 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 422	man that looks good!!! i am actually looking for an aluminum buick v-8 to put in, but i would prob go th350 with that much HP and one tons! but that is another build i guess. so what radiator did you end up using? i have the stock one from my 4cyl right now and figure for the winter up here it will be fine but i am worried about the summer months. __________________ the "Turtle": now the mutant turtle..... 84 ex cab 63" chevies Rears Up Front Square Drive Shaft d60f 14 bolt rear welded both with 5.38's home brew hi steer 42x15-15 TSL's TBI 4.3 V-6 pretty much stock!!! Denali offroad club: http://www.denalioffroadclub.com/for...orum/index.php

03-22-2009, 12:17 PM	#25 (permalink)
refried Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Republic of Cascadia Posts: 170	It's a 3 row that I think I got from Downey, it was about $200 at the time but has never overheated (exept when I had a bad head gasket) even in 90*+ temps on the beach. I think it was a deal since it's lasted over 25 years. Check with a local radiator shop, they should be able to build you one using your ends and mounts if it's in good shape. __________________ 1981 Shortbed 4x4 Buick 231 V6, Turbo 350 4" springs 35x12.50 15 Bfg MT 300,000+ miles

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