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Old 07-06-2008, 11:47 AM
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86 Long Bed Toy SAS

Well after having my first truck for 4 years and getting more involved with offroading in Montana i am finally getting ready for my first sas at 18 years old. Everything for the 1st phase is ordered and is on its way.

Phase I:
-1983 Toyota front axle+t-case= $250
-rear 1/2ton chevy springs $80
-knuckle ball kit brace (marlin crawler) $29
-axle gusset (marlin crawler) $25
-knuckle service kit w/ bearing and rock ring (trail-gear) $145
-HD inner axle seals (marlin crawler) $7.49ea
-Yukon 5:29 front/rear (marlin crawler) $390
-Yukon R&P install kit front/rear (marlin crawler) $210
-Rear Chromo alxe shafts w/ lifetime warranty (Trail-Gear) $249
-30 spline longfield axle birfield combo $665
-rear Aussie Locker (offroadlockers.com) $260
-5" sas kit (marlin crawler) $1149
- rear chevy spring swap kit + u-bolt flip kit (sky manufacturing) $205
-rear 5150 12" travel bilstein shocks $99ea
-tires: 35x12.50r15 MT/R's or 36x12.50r15 Super Swamper TSL Radials...cant decide

accessories:
-12 volt 150 psi air compressor (harbor freight) $60
-ViAir 2.5 gallon Air Tank (autoanything.com) $69.95

I will post pictures of the axle tear down soon.


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Seems that you're doing it right the first time!

I think 5'' springs will be very tall for a Pick-Up with 35's... Maybe you could step down to 4''. I've 4'' springs in the front of my truck and it has a heavy diesel engine and I clear 35's fine.

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Are you breaking rear shafts?
Old 07-07-2008, 05:27 AM
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Looks good.

Are you sure you are going to be sitting level with the 5" fronts and chevy rears? You should look into that, because I've heard people only getting 3" or so out of a chevy pack.

Also, where are the pics?
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Im really not trying to pick on you or anything...but I would recommend selling off those chinese tg bearings and get OEM koyo or nsk bearings if you want to drive it on the street....... I wouldnt even carry those TG bearings as a trail-spare....
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hell yea im doing this the 1st time.And by the way its also my daily driver. No im not breaking shafts...just dont want to take the chance with the locker in the rear end. I was always taught to overbuild so thats kinda what im doing in the rear. As far as the rear springs go i should be close to level. if not ill have to add some springs or a lift block. Also whats wrong with bearings trail gear offers? have you broken them yourself?
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thanks for the info. Blizzard. im taking your advice and i switched the order to 4" springs. I guess it would be easier in the long run to add more height if i need it rather than taking it away.

Dirt Boy. how much would you sell me the front bearings for...would you trade for my tg bearings?

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Originally Posted by montana-toy
hell yea im doing this the 1st time.And by the way its also my daily driver. No im not breaking shafts...just dont want to take the chance with the locker in the rear end. I was always taught to overbuild so thats kinda what im doing in the rear. As far as the rear springs go i should be close to level. if not ill have to add some springs or a lift block. Also whats wrong with bearings trail gear offers? have you broken them yourself?
I wouldnt worry about breaking rears (even with a full locker) unless you are running huge tires (like bigger than 36-37") Even then its not that common....

I have never run the TG bearings but I have held them in my hand...they are the cheapest POS I have ever seen...

Also heard many stories about them blowing up....I would highly advise against using them on anything but a dedicated trail rig...

I would sell them and put the money towards OEMs
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Cool build! I've got an '86 longbed that has been a through several build phases.

You've got a good parts list going. Good choice on the Marlin suspension, although I too would recommend the 4" kit w/ USA springs vs the 5". You will like the Aussie locker too. They work great.

My opinion, I'd go MTR's over Swamper radials. Another good option is the Interco Trxus MT. The new BFG KM2 looks real nice too, but probably only available in a 17" wheel right now.

x2 on getting some better bearings. Some Trail gear stuff is decent, some is junk and the bearings are not worth purchasing. You get what you pay for.

The stock rear axle shafts are VERY strong but it doesnt hurt to have the added insurance of the alloy shafts. You'd be hard pressed to break a stock rear on 35s even with a locker.
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well going im going with the 5" springs again. I changed my order to 4" springs but when marlin went to ship they said they were out of stock and it would be 2 to 3 weeks before they could get them to me so for now im gonna try the 5" springs. Any body interested in my ifs parts... Practically brand new everything. Let me know.
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Originally Posted by montana-toy
well going im going with the 5" springs again.
Those are gonna be huge with 35s...... TALL

I wouldnt go over 3 inches for 35s personally
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how much do you think they will drop once they are broke in...i have a heavy front bumper on there?
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Not to worried about the front 5" springs any more after seeing this pic. He is running 34's and his springs arent broken in yet. Also i can always remove a few leafs. One thing i didnt mention is i do plan on putting on 36 or 37" tires during hunting season and still want to be able to be chained up with out rubbing. I really do appreciate your feed back for the 5" springs and i hope i wont be regretting it, but if i do ill be the 1st to admit you were all right. (9th picture)
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Originally Posted by montana-toy
Not to worried about the front 5" springs any more after seeing this pic. He is running 34's and his springs arent broken in yet. Also i can always remove a few leafs. One thing i didnt mention is i do plan on putting on 36 or 37" tires during hunting season and still want to be able to be chained up with out rubbing. I really do appreciate your feed back for the 5" springs and i hope i wont be regretting it, but if i do ill be the 1st to admit you were all right. (9th picture)
Will it work? Sure...it will probably perform great...just not the most desireable set up for all...

I was reading the thread (from the pic you posted) and it seems that gentleman now has driveline angle issues caused from being too high...something else to think about
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yeah i have deffinatly been thinking about that driveshaft. I know I am going to order some from tom woods so ill have to talk to him more. Ill see how it turns out. I think im also going to order the Longfield hub gears and 5th knuckle stud kit also.
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Originally Posted by montana-toy
yeah i have deffinatly been thinking about that driveshaft. I know I am going to order some from tom woods so ill have to talk to him more. Ill see how it turns out. I think im also going to order the Longfield hub gears and 5th knuckle stud kit also.
Save yourself the 50 bones! Its just a piece of angle and a bolt....make it yourself!


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my bad...i meant to put "and make the 5th axle stuff kit." pics up soon.
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Well im really glad i bought new chromo axles because i snapped one driving down the street last night. =(
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wow why were you in 4wd?
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no it was a rear axle shaft i snapped. i wasnt in 4wd.


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