Commando 870, so far, not so good

MatthewP · 06-20-2006, 02:46 PM

I'm not normally one to start flame wars, or badmouth over the net. However, since I learned about the commando 870 on this forum, I feel obligated to share this experience with all of you. I know that those who have installed the 870 are very happy with it. That's why I ordered it two weeks ago. I can't comment on the unit itself, because I still don't have it.

I paid extra for faster shipping to ensure it would arrive in time to do the install last weekend. I started calling Monday (eight days ago) to get a tracking number (which I should have gotten when I ordered, but didn't). It took me a week of phone calls and emails to get anyone's response. They didn't answer their phone for a week. The unit was supposed to arrive last Tuesday (a week ago). It didn't. I finally got someone on the phone yesterday. very apologetic. profusely apologetic. Offered to ship it overnight to make up for the mistake. Fine. Was supposed to get here today. It didn't. After checking the tracking number with UPS, it was sent ground, not overnight. So it'll get here thursday - a full two weeks after I called and paid them for the unit, and extra for fast shipping. Not happy.

The unit might be great. I don't know yet. Customer service, when they answer their phone, leaves a great deal to be desired.

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alexander · 06-20-2006, 06:09 PM

it may sound stupid.............what is commando 870???

MatthewP · 06-20-2006, 07:04 PM

Not stupid, Alexander. I didn't explain. it's a security system and remote starter.

alexander · 06-20-2006, 07:08 PM

thank you!

***midiwall*** · 06-20-2006, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexander

thank you!

Here's a reference link:
http://www.commandocaralarms.com/

Sorry to hear about the trouble Matthew... Do you know who you finally talked to?

Bob_98SR5 · 06-21-2006, 05:19 AM

wow, totally opposite from the experience of all the guys i know who did the install. did you talk w/ ryan? if not, you should get in touch w/ him and he will set things right

bob

MatthewP · 06-21-2006, 11:00 AM

I did email ryan directly when I didn't get a response from their customer service (either via phone or email). He didn't respond. I'm not 100% sure, but if memory serves, the guy I finally spoke to on Monday was Dave. Called again this morning, and to their credit, they said they'd refund the shipping charges. (though they wouldn't have if I didn't call a third time and complain). It's supposed to arrive tomorrow.

***midiwall*** · 06-21-2006, 11:13 AM

fwiw... I have a strange feeling that Ryan's gone. A few months ago I needed a new remote and it took me a while to get it. The transaction started with Ryan, we flipped a bunch of mail across two days, and then ... poof, he was gone. I never heard from him again through the next month of trying to figure out what's up.

I don't have any other contact info for him outside of an rmail address which I know he's no longer at.

SteveO · 06-21-2006, 11:40 AM

Wow, I was just about to order a keyless entry commando from these guys. Better go through another retailer for the same unit.

***midiwall*** · 06-21-2006, 11:41 AM

Yeah.. sad to say, but if customer service (i.e., Ryan) is hosed, then I don't know that I feel comfortable recommending to buy direct.

Sad... argh.

MatthewP · 06-21-2006, 08:07 PM

just before ordering the unit, I did email ryan with some questions. He got right back to me with the anwers (wanted to know what various sensors were for, etc.). this was a few weeks ago. After ordering, I don't think I communicated with Ryan again, but dealt with other guys at commando.

MatthewP · 06-23-2006, 05:30 PM

The 870 finally arrived yesterday. I'm already half-way through the install. After taking some panels off and getting to the ignition harness, it's clear that the previous owner had a remote start and removed it. The installer used those crimp-on type t-splices. I removed them and soldered my connections. when I was taking the electrical tape (nice job) off the starter wire, I found a connection that was simply twisted together and taped off. It literally fell apart as I tried to find the end of the tape. Glad I found that before it became a problem. Can't imagine the diagnostic fee for figuring that one out.

anyway, I have some specific questions. I can understand if you veterans have a "been there, done that" feeling about answering questions about this install. could someone who's done this install pm me if they wouldn't mind answering some questions? I don't want to bug too many people, but any help would be greatly appreciated.

***midiwall*** · 06-23-2006, 05:52 PM

Hey Matthew;

Just so you know, I'm not blowing off your PM, it's just that I waiting to find the time to get answers for you. I did mine almost 3 years ago and I simply don't remember where anything hooked up to. I'd basically have to tear apart my install to try to get you answers. I don't mind doing that, I just have a lot on my plate right now.

I know that I used a wiring diagram on the Commando site that I got access to after the purchase and it was reasonable. I think Bob ended up creating a better one after the group-purchase sweep. He's pretty well known for his write-ups.

Location wise - lemme say this... a lot of it will be determined by where you can fit the box given the length of the stock harness. You'll have more options if you extend the harness.

The key thing to remember here is that if someone wants your truck, they're gonna get it. And they're rank amateurs if they're still in the truck looking for the box if they've tripped the alarm, ya' know? Of course, that won't stop them from being stoopid, but...

Oh... Kudos for soldering! I can't tell you how many times I've seen crimp connectors be the cause of trouble - much like your twisted wire mess. yuk.

MatthewP · 06-23-2006, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midiwall

Hey Matthew;

Just so you know, I'm not blowing off your PM, it's just that I waiting to find the time to get answers for you. I did mine almost 3 years ago and I simply don't remember where anything hooked up to. I'd basically have to tear apart my install to try to get you answers. I don't mind doing that, I just have a lot on my plate right now.

no worries, Mark. I figured you probably hadn't memorized everything in case newbie like me asked you three years later. I don't want to be a pest, and I certainly wouldn't have anyone pulling panels and checking wires b/c I'm too lazy to figure it out. thought I'd ask on the chance that you might remember. anyhow, I'm going along at a pretty good pace, thanks entirely to the information you guys have already put up.

Jonathan · 06-23-2006, 11:27 PM

Yeah I think me, Bob and Andy all went through this install together, Mark had already done it so we had some reference there as well. i'll check and see if I have any of the pictures and diagrams that we used as well as the ones Bob created. It's not a hard install, just time consuming. I was kinda feeling my way through it with a few phone calls to Andy and Bob and I think I finished it in about 5 hours. Let me look around and see what I have.

marko3xl3 · 06-23-2006, 11:58 PM

I am actually planning to do the same install very soon as well. I wanted to order the alarm a long time ago, but then it got lost in other things. Back then, I asked Bob about any information he said regarding this install and he send me MANY e-mails you guys shot back and forth, so I might be able to help with this as well, just let me know.

Oh and yeah...for every install that goes right, we owe Bob a big beer and cheeseburger (or a big cheeseburger and a beer?)...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Kim (BOB98SR5)

Hopefully you can get this to work without my help b/c its been a few months since I’ve done this.

And if you get it to work, ya owe me a big beer and a cheeseburger too! :-D

Bob

But I guess it'll just be me owing him one

.

MatthewP · 06-24-2006, 07:21 PM

Spent the whole day under the hood/dash with this install today. I've got most of it done.

my biggest question right now is about the door trigger(s). Despite commando's description of the wire location, I had a hell of a time finding the single door trigger wire (behind the fuse box). Used my meter to confirm that it was the right one (been doing the same with all of the wires), and spliced into it. Now, about those diodes... am I correct in thinking that I need to isolate the individual door triggers via diodes? If so, do I do this at the individual switches themselves? seems the most reliable way to do it. At any rate, the commando diagram doesn't say anything about using diodes for this step. I'm muddy on this one.

I've used 4 diodes in this install already. Two to isolate the two functions of the hood pin switch (ignition kill and alarm trigger), and two to isolate two negative door unlock circuits triggered by the same wire from the unit. the commando 'yota diagram and manual outline the use of the diodes for these steps.

After a long day, I tucked wires and powerd it up. started with the programming, but didn't really give it much time (it was late, didn't want to annoy the neighbors). Hope to get it wrapped up tomorrow and get on to some audio projects. Jury is still out on that cheeseburger and beer for Bob, but I'm optimistic.

***midiwall*** · 06-25-2006, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatthewP

Now, about those diodes... am I correct in thinking that I need to isolate the individual door triggers via diodes?

No. Think about it, you basically want the alarm to trigger when any door is opened. What do each of the doors have in common? The dome light. The exception is the rear hatch which I can't remember if it triggers the main dome as well as it's own.

MatthewP · 06-25-2006, 05:50 AM

Good news, Mark, thanks. I'll check the hatch to see if it triggers the dome and post results later today.

MatthewP · 06-26-2006, 05:43 AM

The hatch definitely needs to be tied into the door trigger. I'll be getting to that sometime this afternoon. Birdman suggests using diodes to isolate. Bob says I might need to use a relay. Anyone have experience with this? Also, I was searching around the forum last night, and Birdman described the diodes needed (IN4003 - from radio shack). I've used INT4742A - also from radio shack. I know this is probably an overly technical question (and I'll call commando once they're open) - but I'm concerned that I've used the wrong ones. My door unlock circuit isn't working and I've used those diodes to isolate both unlock wires. Pretty sure I tapped the right ones, so I'm stumped.

MatthewP · 06-26-2006, 07:40 PM

I did get Ryan from Commando on the phone this afternoon. Big thumbs up for his help. If you call commando, ask for him by name. xt. 202. He got me straightened out.

My biggest problem was with the diodes. Turns out that you really do need to use the right ones. My reward for not checking this first was doing alot of my work twice (aaaand that's how we learn). The IN4003 are the right ones. Ryan says you can use 4004 also. Using the wrong ones caused some funky things to happen, or didn't work at all. Example: my hood pin worked when telling the alarm that the hood was open when you tried to arm it, but it didn't trip the alarm when opened after system was armed. cut the wrong diodes out. used the right ones. Works fine.

I did find the hatch trigger (commando diagram pegged it, and thanks for the confirmation, birdman). However, when I tried to test it, I pulled the plug apart to make a connection with the wire. Tested both sides of the plug, but nothing. was beginning to think it was the wrong wire. reconnected the plug and stuck my probe into the back of the plug (where the wire enters) - and the wire was behaving the way it was supposed to. DUH! Guess who won't be testing wires that way anymore.

Last lesson of the day (ryan helped me with this one): the stripes on diodes don't always face away from the alarm brain. From my previous searches on this board and others, it seemed like that's what I was reading in all cases. My non-functioning door unlock trigger was due the WRONG diodes being wired the WRONG way. For the unlock trigger wires (there are two) the diode stripes are toward the alarm brain. Put the right diodes in the right way and bingo!

everything is working. I haven't programmed the remote start yet, but that'll be tomorrow. Thanks everyone, for your pm's and replies.

Churnd · 06-26-2006, 07:45 PM

We should email Ryan a copy of this thread so he can show his boss and get a raise.

Good customer service is hard to come by these days.

garrett1478 · 07-28-2006, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midiwall

No. Think about it, you basically want the alarm to trigger when any door is opened. What do each of the doors have in common? The dome light. The exception is the rear hatch which I can't remember if it triggers the main dome as well as it's own.

okay, i just finished the install of this system a few days ago, but mark's comment makes me wonder. does the door trigger wire need to somehow be spliced into two different wires, the dome light and the cargo light? because im pretty sure that when you open the rear hatch, the main dome light does not come on. what did yall do for this...?

***midiwall*** · 07-28-2006, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garrett1478

okay, i just finished the install of this system a few days ago, but mark's comment makes me wonder. does the door trigger wire need to somehow be spliced into two different wires, the dome light and the cargo light? because im pretty sure that when you open the rear hatch, the main dome light does not come on. what did yall do for this...?

Mine's just tied into the main dome light. I figure that the shock/audible sensor will catch anything that actually's happening in the truck. Plus, I don't put a lot of faith in alarms anyway. If someone want's it, they're gonna take it.

If you want to tie the line to both lamps, then you'll need to use a diode at each of the main dome and hatch dome ends. This will stop the lamps from being tied together electrically, unless that'd be a side benefit for you.

06-20-2006, 07:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
MatthewP Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 25	Not stupid, Alexander. I didn't explain. it's a security system and remote starter. __________________ Green 2000 SR5 Sport Edition 4runner

06-21-2006, 11:00 AM	#7 (permalink)
MatthewP Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 25	I did email ryan directly when I didn't get a response from their customer service (either via phone or email). He didn't respond. I'm not 100% sure, but if memory serves, the guy I finally spoke to on Monday was Dave. Called again this morning, and to their credit, they said they'd refund the shipping charges. (though they wouldn't have if I didn't call a third time and complain). It's supposed to arrive tomorrow. __________________ Green 2000 SR5 Sport Edition 4runner

06-21-2006, 11:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
*midiwall* Sponsoring Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattleish, WA Posts: 9,078	fwiw... I have a strange feeling that Ryan's gone. A few months ago I needed a new remote and it took me a while to get it. The transaction started with Ryan, we flipped a bunch of mail across two days, and then ... poof, he was gone. I never heard from him again through the next month of trying to figure out what's up. I don't have any other contact info for him outside of an rmail address which I know he's no longer at. __________________ ~ Mark '96 4Runner Limited S/C MI - 370cc injectors, Air! horns, Airaid MIT, ATS A-arms, 285/75/R16 BFG MTs, Bored TB, Brembo slotted, Cobra 75 WXST, Deckplate, Downey headers, Hayden cooler, IPT valve body, Level 10 torque convertor, Meanstreak exhaust, OME/OME rears, On-board PC (XM, Nav, WiFi, etc), Port 'n Polish, Remote Start, SAW fronts, Hilux console, SMT-5, Stubb's sliders, Supra MAF, TJM-17, 2.0" pulley, Viair 450c, Walbro 190, Weasy2k cams

06-21-2006, 11:40 AM	#9 (permalink)
SteveO Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NM Posts: 1,848	Wow, I was just about to order a keyless entry commando from these guys. Better go through another retailer for the same unit. __________________ http://www.Hunt4Steve.com In the span of time, life is short. Our life is like a wave on the ocean, a flower in the field, here today and gone tomorrow. Know yourself, know where you will spend eternity, for NOTHING else will matter when you die.

06-21-2006, 11:41 AM	#10 (permalink)
*midiwall* Sponsoring Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattleish, WA Posts: 9,078	Yeah.. sad to say, but if customer service (i.e., Ryan) is hosed, then I don't know that I feel comfortable recommending to buy direct. Sad... argh. __________________ ~ Mark '96 4Runner Limited S/C MI - 370cc injectors, Air! horns, Airaid MIT, ATS A-arms, 285/75/R16 BFG MTs, Bored TB, Brembo slotted, Cobra 75 WXST, Deckplate, Downey headers, Hayden cooler, IPT valve body, Level 10 torque convertor, Meanstreak exhaust, OME/OME rears, On-board PC (XM, Nav, WiFi, etc), Port 'n Polish, Remote Start, SAW fronts, Hilux console, SMT-5, Stubb's sliders, Supra MAF, TJM-17, 2.0" pulley, Viair 450c, Walbro 190, Weasy2k cams

06-20-2006, 06:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
alexander Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cleveland. Ohio Posts: 28	it may sound stupid.............what is commando 870???

06-20-2006, 07:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
alexander Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cleveland. Ohio Posts: 28	thank you!

06-21-2006, 05:19 AM	#6 (permalink)
Bob_98SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,092	wow, totally opposite from the experience of all the guys i know who did the install. did you talk w/ ryan? if not, you should get in touch w/ him and he will set things right bob

06-21-2006, 08:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
MatthewP Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 25	just before ordering the unit, I did email ryan with some questions. He got right back to me with the anwers (wanted to know what various sensors were for, etc.). this was a few weeks ago. After ordering, I don't think I communicated with Ryan again, but dealt with other guys at commando. __________________ Green 2000 SR5 Sport Edition 4runner

06-23-2006, 05:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
MatthewP Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 25	Got the alarm... Finally! The 870 finally arrived yesterday. I'm already half-way through the install. After taking some panels off and getting to the ignition harness, it's clear that the previous owner had a remote start and removed it. The installer used those crimp-on type t-splices. I removed them and soldered my connections. when I was taking the electrical tape (nice job) off the starter wire, I found a connection that was simply twisted together and taped off. It literally fell apart as I tried to find the end of the tape. Glad I found that before it became a problem. Can't imagine the diagnostic fee for figuring that one out. anyway, I have some specific questions. I can understand if you veterans have a "been there, done that" feeling about answering questions about this install. could someone who's done this install pm me if they wouldn't mind answering some questions? I don't want to bug too many people, but any help would be greatly appreciated. __________________ Green 2000 SR5 Sport Edition 4runner

06-23-2006, 05:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
*midiwall* Sponsoring Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattleish, WA Posts: 9,078	Hey Matthew; Just so you know, I'm not blowing off your PM, it's just that I waiting to find the time to get answers for you. I did mine almost 3 years ago and I simply don't remember where anything hooked up to. I'd basically have to tear apart my install to try to get you answers. I don't mind doing that, I just have a lot on my plate right now. I know that I used a wiring diagram on the Commando site that I got access to after the purchase and it was reasonable. I think Bob ended up creating a better one after the group-purchase sweep. He's pretty well known for his write-ups. Location wise - lemme say this... a lot of it will be determined by where you can fit the box given the length of the stock harness. You'll have more options if you extend the harness. The key thing to remember here is that if someone wants your truck, they're gonna get it. And they're rank amateurs if they're still in the truck looking for the box if they've tripped the alarm, ya' know? Of course, that won't stop them from being stoopid, but... Oh... Kudos for soldering! I can't tell you how many times I've seen crimp connectors be the cause of trouble - much like your twisted wire mess. yuk. __________________ ~ Mark '96 4Runner Limited S/C MI - 370cc injectors, Air! horns, Airaid MIT, ATS A-arms, 285/75/R16 BFG MTs, Bored TB, Brembo slotted, Cobra 75 WXST, Deckplate, Downey headers, Hayden cooler, IPT valve body, Level 10 torque convertor, Meanstreak exhaust, OME/OME rears, On-board PC (XM, Nav, WiFi, etc), Port 'n Polish, Remote Start, SAW fronts, Hilux console, SMT-5, Stubb's sliders, Supra MAF, TJM-17, 2.0" pulley, Viair 450c, Walbro 190, Weasy2k cams

06-23-2006, 11:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
Jonathan Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greenville, South Carolina Posts: 1,743	Yeah I think me, Bob and Andy all went through this install together, Mark had already done it so we had some reference there as well. i'll check and see if I have any of the pictures and diagrams that we used as well as the ones Bob created. It's not a hard install, just time consuming. I was kinda feeling my way through it with a few phone calls to Andy and Bob and I think I finished it in about 5 hours. Let me look around and see what I have. __________________ 1996 Black 4Runner V6 5 speed 4X4\| Retrofitted E-Locker\| SAW's\| LC coils and Doetschtech shocks\| ATS arms \| 285 Goodyear MTR's\|TJM T-15 With Warn M8000\|Retrofitted Toyota Hood Scoop\| Stubbs Sliders\|Bushwacker Extend-A-Fender Flares\| Extended rear diff breather\| Uniden 510XL CB w/ 4 Ft. Firestik II Antenna\|Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler\|Black headlights and corners\| More to come... 2007 VW GTI 6 Speed

06-24-2006, 07:21 PM	#17 (permalink)
MatthewP Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 25	almost there Spent the whole day under the hood/dash with this install today. I've got most of it done. my biggest question right now is about the door trigger(s). Despite commando's description of the wire location, I had a hell of a time finding the single door trigger wire (behind the fuse box). Used my meter to confirm that it was the right one (been doing the same with all of the wires), and spliced into it. Now, about those diodes... am I correct in thinking that I need to isolate the individual door triggers via diodes? If so, do I do this at the individual switches themselves? seems the most reliable way to do it. At any rate, the commando diagram doesn't say anything about using diodes for this step. I'm muddy on this one. I've used 4 diodes in this install already. Two to isolate the two functions of the hood pin switch (ignition kill and alarm trigger), and two to isolate two negative door unlock circuits triggered by the same wire from the unit. the commando 'yota diagram and manual outline the use of the diodes for these steps. After a long day, I tucked wires and powerd it up. started with the programming, but didn't really give it much time (it was late, didn't want to annoy the neighbors). Hope to get it wrapped up tomorrow and get on to some audio projects. Jury is still out on that cheeseburger and beer for Bob, but I'm optimistic. __________________ Green 2000 SR5 Sport Edition 4runner Last edited by MatthewP; 06-24-2006 at 07:23 PM.

06-25-2006, 05:50 AM	#19 (permalink)
MatthewP Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 25	Good news, Mark, thanks. I'll check the hatch to see if it triggers the dome and post results later today. __________________ Green 2000 SR5 Sport Edition 4runner

06-26-2006, 05:43 AM	#20 (permalink)
MatthewP Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 25	The hatch definitely needs to be tied into the door trigger. I'll be getting to that sometime this afternoon. Birdman suggests using diodes to isolate. Bob says I might need to use a relay. Anyone have experience with this? Also, I was searching around the forum last night, and Birdman described the diodes needed (IN4003 - from radio shack). I've used INT4742A - also from radio shack. I know this is probably an overly technical question (and I'll call commando once they're open) - but I'm concerned that I've used the wrong ones. My door unlock circuit isn't working and I've used those diodes to isolate both unlock wires. Pretty sure I tapped the right ones, so I'm stumped. __________________ Green 2000 SR5 Sport Edition 4runner Last edited by MatthewP; 06-26-2006 at 06:55 AM.

06-26-2006, 07:40 PM	#21 (permalink)
MatthewP Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 25	Ryan lives... I did get Ryan from Commando on the phone this afternoon. Big thumbs up for his help. If you call commando, ask for him by name. xt. 202. He got me straightened out. My biggest problem was with the diodes. Turns out that you really do need to use the right ones. My reward for not checking this first was doing alot of my work twice (aaaand that's how we learn). The IN4003 are the right ones. Ryan says you can use 4004 also. Using the wrong ones caused some funky things to happen, or didn't work at all. Example: my hood pin worked when telling the alarm that the hood was open when you tried to arm it, but it didn't trip the alarm when opened after system was armed. cut the wrong diodes out. used the right ones. Works fine. I did find the hatch trigger (commando diagram pegged it, and thanks for the confirmation, birdman). However, when I tried to test it, I pulled the plug apart to make a connection with the wire. Tested both sides of the plug, but nothing. was beginning to think it was the wrong wire. reconnected the plug and stuck my probe into the back of the plug (where the wire enters) - and the wire was behaving the way it was supposed to. DUH! Guess who won't be testing wires that way anymore. Last lesson of the day (ryan helped me with this one): the stripes on diodes don't always face away from the alarm brain. From my previous searches on this board and others, it seemed like that's what I was reading in all cases. My non-functioning door unlock trigger was due the WRONG diodes being wired the WRONG way. For the unlock trigger wires (there are two) the diode stripes are toward the alarm brain. Put the right diodes in the right way and bingo! everything is working. I haven't programmed the remote start yet, but that'll be tomorrow. Thanks everyone, for your pm's and replies. __________________ Green 2000 SR5 Sport Edition 4runner

06-26-2006, 07:45 PM	#22 (permalink)
Churnd Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 4,093	We should email Ryan a copy of this thread so he can show his boss and get a raise. Good customer service is hard to come by these days. __________________ -Chris If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Click here to search! My Website Last edited by Churnd; 06-26-2006 at 07:46 PM.

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