Timing chain and escaping coolant
11-25-2010, 10:00 PM
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Hey guys, sorry it's been a while on an update. So we ended up getting a new engine and we've cleaned up everthing attaching to the new block and we now need to know the proper ignition timing setting on this new 22R/22RE.
In looking at the manual it said that the proper timing setting would be on the underside of the hood, however we have a new hood because the old hood was wrecked a while back.
I'm thinking 0 and my dad is thinking 8... help!
By the way, Chef I've been referencing your pictures throughout this process... thank you so much for all your documentation, it's made our life much easier.
Mightymouse: you say it's a 22RE because it's fuel injected, but etched on my fuel-injected block is "22R" and the new engine we bought (exact same as old) was listed as a "22R/22RE"... any other reasons that it could be named either one? We have no idea.
Here's the link to the engine we bought: http://www.japanengine.com/products/...&search=&page=
Thanks!
In looking at the manual it said that the proper timing setting would be on the underside of the hood, however we have a new hood because the old hood was wrecked a while back.
I'm thinking 0 and my dad is thinking 8... help!
By the way, Chef I've been referencing your pictures throughout this process... thank you so much for all your documentation, it's made our life much easier.
Mightymouse: you say it's a 22RE because it's fuel injected, but etched on my fuel-injected block is "22R" and the new engine we bought (exact same as old) was listed as a "22R/22RE"... any other reasons that it could be named either one? We have no idea.
Here's the link to the engine we bought: http://www.japanengine.com/products/...&search=&page=
Thanks!
thanks for the compliment and good for you, man! Have fun with it.....I really had TONS of fun working on multiple hot rods with my pops and brother in laws! Take care,
Mark
11-26-2010, 01:37 PM
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now I pulled my motor 3 times in 1 week, and I do not recognize that. lol. 1 thing I do not have is A/C though. Not that I think it's an A/C bracket, just saying. But I also don't have EFI either.
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Thanks PismoJoe
11-26-2010, 03:54 PM
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ahhhh PismoJoe, much thanks!
Ok I've got another question for y'all. I thought I did a dilligent job in labeling everything, however now that I'm putting loose ends together we've got some connections we can't figure out. Here's a pic of what is stumping us now. What is it and where does it mount?
Thanks again everyone...
Ok I've got another question for y'all. I thought I did a dilligent job in labeling everything, however now that I'm putting loose ends together we've got some connections we can't figure out. Here's a pic of what is stumping us now. What is it and where does it mount?
Thanks again everyone...
11-26-2010, 07:56 PM
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That is the vacuum switching valve(VSV). It is there(from what my hours and Thook's WEEKS of research have revealed) for HOT SOAK conditions. It either allows more or less vacuum to the fuel pressure regulator. It mounts on the rear of the valve cover and one line goes to the FPRegulator and the other to plenum vacuum source. 
If you have two, the other should be black, and it would be the A/C Idle Up Electronic Vacuum Sensing Thingamadoohikiemajiggerdoodle! lol.
If you have two, the other should be black, and it would be the A/C Idle Up Electronic Vacuum Sensing Thingamadoohikiemajiggerdoodle! lol.
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11-27-2010, 12:41 PM
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Well we started the engine up and after running smooth for the first 30 seconds it started spewing white smoke and leaking coolant from the INTAKE and EXHAUST! What is going on?! The engine and everything else is new. Our only thought is we have a hose pumping coolant into the intake manifold somehow.
The arm from the intake to the air filter had coolant all inside of it. I've posted a pic of where the leak is the most evident. We have removed the hose and I'm holding it full of coolant. We are laughing about it since that's all we can do right now. Thoughts?
The arm from the intake to the air filter had coolant all inside of it. I've posted a pic of where the leak is the most evident. We have removed the hose and I'm holding it full of coolant. We are laughing about it since that's all we can do right now. Thoughts?
11-27-2010, 12:53 PM
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Make sure you have the right hoses going to the right places from the IAAV (Idle air auxiliary valve). This to the right of your hand in the picture, directly under the intake. The two hoses (smaller diameter) on the left side should be coolant and the hoses on the front and back should be air only. I'm guessing you have these crossed up and you have coolant going into the intake because of this...
If I remember correctly there is a small u-shaped hose right next to the IAAV that seems like it should be connected to the IAAV but it's not. Sorry i'm going off memory here but I'm almost 100% sure that this is your problem.
If I remember correctly there is a small u-shaped hose right next to the IAAV that seems like it should be connected to the IAAV but it's not. Sorry i'm going off memory here but I'm almost 100% sure that this is your problem.
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11-27-2010, 01:44 PM
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The hose that you're holding in that picture NEEDS to be connected to the throttle body. Coolant runs through the throttle body.
You might have a leak within the throttle body itself, I don't see any other way that coolant could make it in there unless you have a misrouted hose somewhere.
Post some more pics up so we can tell what you're working with
You might have a leak within the throttle body itself, I don't see any other way that coolant could make it in there unless you have a misrouted hose somewhere.
Post some more pics up so we can tell what you're working with
11-28-2010, 12:37 AM
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I see your problem, right off!
That hose going into the top of the throttle body? THAT IS NOT A COOLANT CONNECTION, and you have it connected to a line that is supposed to supply coolant to the bottom of the throttle body, via the short metal coolant pipe that comes off the timing cover, then splits into 2(1 goes to the throttle body underneath, and one goes straight back, to another coolant port.) That port on your throttle body that you have the coolant line going to?....it's supposed to be a vacuum hose, connected to the power steering idle adjustment. Looks like you have a plug in the plenum, blocking off what I'm talking about 'should be there'. If you don't have Power steering, or it's a different year/different system, that might make sense...but IT STILL should never have coolant going to it. You're pulling coolant from that bottom port in the throttle body and forcing it into the intake....NO WONDER you have coolant pouring out of your exhaust and intake, ya know?
JUST STOP, ok? I'll get you some pictures, tomorrow.....that is, if you can't find what you're looking for in the first several pages of my build thread, in my signature, below....IN RED. Not sure which pages the pictures start, but there are HUNDREDS, and I have everything hooked up, exactly right.
Hang in there, bud, ...I've been in that situation, kinda, a couple times. But with a fresh motor? LAST THING you want it coolant to be forced into the intake valves and on into the cylinders, and then on through the exhaust valves and out your pipe..... which is what's happening now. So for now, just stop, ok? It's my Bday tomorrow, but I'll have some time in the morning, if you still need me to take some pics and maybe a video for ya, ok?
PS> The coolant hose on the
That hose going into the top of the throttle body? THAT IS NOT A COOLANT CONNECTION, and you have it connected to a line that is supposed to supply coolant to the bottom of the throttle body, via the short metal coolant pipe that comes off the timing cover, then splits into 2(1 goes to the throttle body underneath, and one goes straight back, to another coolant port.) That port on your throttle body that you have the coolant line going to?....it's supposed to be a vacuum hose, connected to the power steering idle adjustment. Looks like you have a plug in the plenum, blocking off what I'm talking about 'should be there'. If you don't have Power steering, or it's a different year/different system, that might make sense...but IT STILL should never have coolant going to it. You're pulling coolant from that bottom port in the throttle body and forcing it into the intake....NO WONDER you have coolant pouring out of your exhaust and intake, ya know?
JUST STOP, ok? I'll get you some pictures, tomorrow.....that is, if you can't find what you're looking for in the first several pages of my build thread, in my signature, below....IN RED. Not sure which pages the pictures start, but there are HUNDREDS, and I have everything hooked up, exactly right.
Hang in there, bud, ...I've been in that situation, kinda, a couple times. But with a fresh motor? LAST THING you want it coolant to be forced into the intake valves and on into the cylinders, and then on through the exhaust valves and out your pipe..... which is what's happening now. So for now, just stop, ok? It's my Bday tomorrow, but I'll have some time in the morning, if you still need me to take some pics and maybe a video for ya, ok?
PS> The coolant hose on the
11-28-2010, 01:02 AM
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PS> That green and blue vacuum switching valve? I told you where it goes... read back, ok? It bolts to one of the free bolt holes on top of the valve cover...just look at my pic, above. Not the one toward the front....the one toward the VERY back of the valve cover. It's back there so it can be close to the Fuel pressure regulator and get fed vacuum by the plenum 3/port filter-valve.
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11-28-2010, 09:37 AM
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Happy b-day Chef! Thanks for posting those pics and for the help. We will be working on this later today or tomorrow at the latest. If you could do a video that would be awesome! Anything helps right now. I might do a video as well of our set up so it can be seen better.
11-28-2010, 01:33 PM
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I am so happy to see that you crossed a coolant line, I thought you had a blown HG or something bad already 
Just study the pics chef gave you, you'll figure it out.
Just study the pics chef gave you, you'll figure it out.
11-29-2010, 10:23 AM
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Happy b-day Chef! Thanks for posting those pics and for the help. We will be working on this later today or tomorrow at the latest. If you could do a video that would be awesome! Anything helps right now. I might do a video as well of our set up so it can be seen better.
PS> NO PROBLEM, .......I got TONS of help, from Joe there, as well. My problem was something very strange, so it just took a long time to narrow it down....but trust me, on the 'little and important things'???>>> YOTATECHIES SAVED MY RUMP A FEW TIMES!
lol. Be back in a bit.
