Brenjen

Yeah obviously some of us were in the process of learning something new. I considered it a discussion, not an argument so no need for sorrys, if anything THANK YOU for helping to get it clarified.

Brenjen

Yes Sir, Sorry Sir. May I, with your permission of course, leave the discussion a little wiser now?

LOL

Lysmachia

Yeah She isn't called Tippy just because she feels that way - but also because I put her that way on purpose... I would imagine this is the kind of stress I consistantly put on her that helped that bearing fail....

Ringmaster

Glad your both OK.

Your'e very fortunate in it letting go where it did.

The "Clown Parade" of sales sharks weren't out there "Wheeling and Dealing" the second Tippy came to a stop.

The "Clown Parade" of sales sharks where I'm from would be on that instantly.

Fullfloater time Molly.

tc

It was Sunday - the Clown Parade was at the circus! LOL

Wabbit - with the FF setup, the bearing does not go back in the housing at all, right - or is it there to support the axle shaft? I would assume the seals have to go back in (and work). Just wondering what kind of housing damage would be overcome with the FF setup.

Plus the FF gives you manual hubs on the back, so you could unlock them and do front digs! :woot:
Disc brakes would be nice too...

MudHippy

I checked around to see what years have FF axles on Land Cruisers and haven't concluded much yet. Alot of them do. It may be an easy swap, and you could probably use the same 3rd member in a LC axle if you wanted to keep the diff. gears. Here's a pic I found of one with what looks to be locking rear hubs.


These guys have new ones, w/o locking hubs. There's a swap needed to do those.

http://www.man-a-fre.com/feature_items/fullfloater.htm

80W90

so with the FF conversion, is the stock axle tube still used?
i imagine the four bolts are removed and the full floating bearing housing is bolted in, along with some longer axle shafts. right? wheres a guy buy this stuff?
can the stock backing plate be re used? and i imagine the drums have to be replaced with deeper ones. right?

80W90

how often?
i have only seen this happen once, in my 12 years of wheeling.
last year, when i had a shop, my technician didnt install the sleeve down far enuff, and consiquintly, the same thing happened. it happened about two months later. the customer was so pissed. i gave him back all his money. and i gave him a detroit locker for free, just to make him happy, and he was. infact he brought me a lot more business after that.

Guardian_Saint

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/b...fd012e0fc7.htm

Same situation as you describe it.

SteveO

Yup, you use the stock axle, but replace everything outside of the axle tube.

Here is an image from FROR of their Full Floater chunk:



Clicky on the picture for the information on their Full Floater conversion:


I have this setup on my '99 and I absolutely love it. Its reliable, strong, redundant and provides better stopping with rear disc brakes.

Pest

Did you get a kit from FROR?

SteveO

Man, those guys must have known people were laughing at their car and what happened......

Lysmachia

So sadly I can't afford full floater right now. I have to already replace the rear axle housing and one shaft and bearing. Hoping the 3rd member and guts are ok. I will be grinding out my rear suspention the next two days - and we will be remounting with chevy leaf springs since my rear coil setup is flawed. It is too soft - and really needs a good link system to solve it. Since I can't afford that I am going to chevy leafs since that will cost the same to do that or order replacement pro comp lift parts because I have to replace all the lift parts that are gonna be pulled off on the old axle housing. (They had been welded and gusseted). Then when I get enough money I can move to alcans orbit eyes easily. It is just not worth it to pay the same amount to go to the same suspention that is too soft. Yeah I am worried the chevy's wont be as flexy but it is a risk I am willing to take because of the problems my soft suspention has given me (lack of climbing power and the tippiness)

I seriously have my work cut out for me.... but since I am cutting everything out it will be a lot cheaper - but not cheap enough to include the full float. now. I will of course be checking the other bearing on the other hub.

91 4Runner

Iff you have to relace the axle housing anyway, why not try and get an axle housing from a pickup... Way easier than grinding off the coil buckets, and welding spring perches on the axle (save you some time) Just my $0.02

Lysmachia

Yeah I have an axle housing already set up with really good leaf mounts - we just hope it will fit the 2.5 inch chevy leafs (vs the 2.25" stock toyota ones)

Here is what I've gotten done so far.

MMMmmm Sparkly!


Tippy all stripped down today... (Took the front tires off so they don't get stolen.. LOL oh and tac welded the winch on too.


Here is my old rear axle:


Look at how bent is is. Not sure if it was that bent before she lost the tire - but it might have been which would have weakened the bearing.



Any way I have a little more cutting to do. Trying to get all the plating out where the coil cups are - I cut a hard brake line. (It was all tucked up near the gas tank and I moved it - AND didn't use the sawzall so I wouldn't cut it - and I still hit it with the grinder... GRR)

So I'll finish that up this weekend - then go in on monday and sand down the rusty chebby's and paint them up all purty. (My new axle too).

Just Learning

question--if someone gets a ff and could you het drum brakes to maybe help keep cost down, because i got a little scared about mine, but after seeing mollys tippy on two wheels lol ahhh maybe i wont worry to much my truck dont see stuff like that

Lysmachia

Seriously - I Really think the fear factor should only be high in those of us that do A LOT of side loading on our wheels (meaning we spend way too much time being tippy) LOL So Just Learning - you shuld be fine (unless you dig tippy as much as I do). There are a lot of other mods I would recomend WAY before a FF - in terms of safetey. In talking to the guys at the rock crawling shop where I am doing all of this They have never in their entire wheeling career seen this happen or have a customer bring them one. I did talk to one guy - where his Bronco did it. So it is pretty rare. But it is dangerous enough that if you do wheel pretty hard a FF is a good thing to have (Thus the reason I will at some point do it).

You have to have the disc breaks - because you have to have a selectable hub or drive flange in the middle of the tire and drum brakes don't allow for that.

Hope that helps!

mt_goat

Hmmmm...I wonder if a whole Land Cruiser axle would work since they are FF already and you need a whole new axle.

Just Learning

ya molly it does after posting i was thinking that you would have to have dics breaks and ya ill woek on other mods and wont worry , but damn looking at your pics, wow thats something thank god no one got hurt that really could have turned out bad and good job to the driver for keeping control

drew303

how the heck do you bend an axle housing like that?!?!

if that was how it was BEFORE the axle came off thats probably the cause of the whole accident.