Horrible sound when hubs locked
11-21-2006, 04:14 PM
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Sounds like the Spindle bushings to me. I just went through this rigmarole.
I went by the instructions in the tech section on this site. They were very precise, which I appreciated but, be warned... Don't do what I did. I spent like 4 hours pulling everything off, then when I got to the spindle, I couldn't get the bushings out because I didn't have the slide hammer.
If you don't have that slide hammer, try to find someone who would be willing to remove the bushings from the spindle once you got it off, if you go that direction.
What I did was file the scoring and pits in the inner bushing until it was as smooth as I could get it, then I put a nice thick layer of grease into the spindle on the bushings. I also greased the CV shaft entirely, then I put it all back together. With so much grease, it took some working to get the rotor and hub to seat all the way against the steering spindle, but I got it
I went by the instructions in the tech section on this site. They were very precise, which I appreciated but, be warned... Don't do what I did. I spent like 4 hours pulling everything off, then when I got to the spindle, I couldn't get the bushings out because I didn't have the slide hammer.
If you don't have that slide hammer, try to find someone who would be willing to remove the bushings from the spindle once you got it off, if you go that direction.
What I did was file the scoring and pits in the inner bushing until it was as smooth as I could get it, then I put a nice thick layer of grease into the spindle on the bushings. I also greased the CV shaft entirely, then I put it all back together. With so much grease, it took some working to get the rotor and hub to seat all the way against the steering spindle, but I got it
11-21-2006, 04:46 PM
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11-21-2006, 05:07 PM
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it sounds like the greasing tool is a simple fix, and it's something that could be done at the same time as all the other greasing in the front end.
thanks for the tips!
11-21-2006, 05:25 PM
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Issac, the spindle lubricator will allow you to fully grease the spindle in about 30 minutes max per side. All done in an hour or less. The bushing usually are not worn, just dry. When it gets cold, is when the spindle bushing noise starts. Grease cures it, and for a real long time. I mean, literally dozens of years!
11-21-2006, 05:34 PM
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Issac, the spindle lubricator will allow you to fully grease the spindle in about 30 minutes max per side. All done in an hour or less. The bushing usually are not worn, just dry. When it gets cold, is when the spindle bushing noise starts. Grease cures it, and for a real long time. I mean, literally dozens of years!
I might just pull the spindle apart and stuff in as much grease as I can with my fingers.. it's -3 out and my truck sounds like it's got concrete wheels that bushing is making so much noise!
that's a great tip, someone should add it to the beginning of the writeup - it might save someone some time and money.
11-21-2006, 05:39 PM
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well I'll have to see if I can find someone with a torch who can braze me up a tool. I assume you leave the bolt in the end of the axle stub so you don't stuff the bolt hole full of grease? also, can you buy 54mm nuts anywhere or is that a dealer part? do you have any pics of the tool?
11-21-2006, 07:20 PM
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If you need the 54mm for the Hub nut, a 2 1/8 inch socket also works. I bought one from sears. 27 bucks! Anyways, I'll sell it to you for 20.
Also you don't need to worry that its american vs metric. You don't tighten the hub nut that much to shear corners or anything.
Also you don't need to worry that its american vs metric. You don't tighten the hub nut that much to shear corners or anything.
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11-21-2006, 07:28 PM
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Sure looks like you have a lot of good info for the board, but I thought the needle bearings were a fix from Toyota for the bushings that would wear out? I'm also having a hard time seeing how they would do more harm than the bushing. Do you have any more info on this?
11-22-2006, 09:31 AM
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Pictures of the bushings here: https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f128/steering-spindle-bearing-replacement-2nd-gen-4runner-76360/
11-22-2006, 09:45 AM
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Sure looks like you have a lot of good info for the board, but I thought the needle bearings were a fix from Toyota for the bushings that would wear out? I'm also having a hard time seeing how they would do more harm than the bushing. Do you have any more info on this?
11-22-2006, 10:45 AM
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maybe, and im just speculating, the needle bearing won't tell you when its all out of grease inside the spindle, then it just digs right into the CV shaft. The bushings quite audibly let you know when they are dry
Or maybe the rollers inside of the bearing dig a groove into the CV shaft instead of the CV shaft moving on a thin layer of grease with the bushings.
I really don't know. Just Guessing.
Or maybe the rollers inside of the bearing dig a groove into the CV shaft instead of the CV shaft moving on a thin layer of grease with the bushings.
I really don't know. Just Guessing.
11-22-2006, 05:41 PM
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11-22-2006, 07:58 PM
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maybe, and im just speculating, the needle bearing won't tell you when its all out of grease inside the spindle, then it just digs right into the CV shaft. The bushings quite audibly let you know when they are dry
Or maybe the rollers inside of the bearing dig a groove into the CV shaft instead of the CV shaft moving on a thin layer of grease with the bushings.
I really don't know. Just Guessing.
Or maybe the rollers inside of the bearing dig a groove into the CV shaft instead of the CV shaft moving on a thin layer of grease with the bushings.
I really don't know. Just Guessing.
11-23-2006, 12:15 AM
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I have needle bearings waiting to be pressed in... there's actually a write-up here on how to do it... along with part numbers. I'm pretty sure it's the same noise my truck makes. I replaced my cv's, noise still there. I repacked my wheel bearings, noise still there. I converted to manual hubs, noise isn't near as terrible as before. I just need to get the needle bearings pressed in and hopefully I'll rid myself of that annoying sound. Though I haven't heard it in quite some time, seeing as how when driving on the road I leave the hubs in "Free".
11-23-2006, 07:24 AM
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I have needle bearings waiting to be pressed in... there's actually a write-up here on how to do it... along with part numbers. I'm pretty sure it's the same noise my truck makes. I replaced my cv's, noise still there. I repacked my wheel bearings, noise still there. I converted to manual hubs, noise isn't near as terrible as before. I just need to get the needle bearings pressed in and hopefully I'll rid myself of that annoying sound. Though I haven't heard it in quite some time, seeing as how when driving on the road I leave the hubs in "Free".
11-23-2006, 08:35 AM
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Please do, I have the same noise and hope to do this as soon as I have time. I hard people say in this post that it wont do damage if it is dry? Does that mean I could wait a month (just keep the driving around town) and do it when I get home? I havent done too much of my own work on the toy so any step by step or pics to grease this would be appreciated. I have a 1990 and have been hearing this noise on and off the past couple of weeks.
