Notices
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners 2nd/3rd gen pickups, and 1st/2nd gen 4Runners with IFS
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: DashLynx

Foolishly bought a bad truck, need opinion on overheating and rust

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-10-2015, 09:59 PM
  #41  
Registered User
 
Shaun Crystal Gomban's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 69
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
change radiator

You need a new radiator.
Old 05-11-2015, 10:45 AM
  #42  
Registered User
 
jbtvt's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Southern NH
Posts: 578
Received 11 Likes on 10 Posts
Originally Posted by Contra472
Interesting. I've also read this somewhere, and may have to do this. Thanks

I just filled it a $9 bottle of Walmart super tech cause I was predicting failure
If you're referring to a "stop-leak" product you will probably be better off removing that as well. These systems run best (and Toyota's newer ones were specifically designed) for only distilled water and low silicate red coolant. It was probably running the green that caused your original issue, and who knows what they put in any of the stop leak products - ST didn't run it by Toyota for approval though. I would also worry about it clogging passageways.

I just replaced most of the cooling system in my 90 and flushed it twice with "super heavy duty" radiator flush, an EDTA based demineralizer. It's amazing what came out of it, even after changing the radiator. I would recommend using a course of that and refilling with red coolant.
Old 05-11-2015, 01:15 PM
  #43  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
Contra472's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I did replace the radiator with a new one and seems to be running fine so far (75 miles so far)

I didn't use a stop leak product. I meant I filled up the radiator with Walmarts brand of antifreeze/coolant called super tech, it's green and only $9, 50:50 with distilled water.

I only cheaped out on this because I thought my cooling system would not solve the problem, but it seemed like it did.

I will replace with OEM orange coolant in the near future.
Old 05-11-2015, 02:06 PM
  #44  
Registered User
 
millball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Southern Arizona
Posts: 4,104
Received 603 Likes on 441 Posts
Originally Posted by Contra472
I will replace with OEM orange coolant in the near future.
Orange is not correct either. Orange usually means Dex-Cool. Originated by GM

The right stuff is 'Toyota red'
Old 06-08-2015, 09:56 PM
  #45  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
Contra472's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Into the Rabbit Hole

Daily drove it for 600 miles. Drove excellent, with no overheating issues at all!
However, my coolant reservoir steadily dropped half an inch over those miles....

Looked for leaks. I see coolant pooling near the dip stick. Traced it up to the head......NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!


I slowly tore the head off over the last week.

Strangely.....the head gasket looks fine?



I found some strange writing on the block. It says 85 up arrow.....-0.020?
Does that mean the block got shaved 0.020? Is that good or bad?



My plan was to have the head milled, replace head gasket/bolts, upgrade to metal timing chain, and reseal oil pan (leaking).

If the block/head was shaved previously, and I shave the head AGAIN, will I risk increasing compression too much and blowing it again?

I don't know why the PO took the time to shave the block, but didn't replace a $8 thermostat which caused it to overheat/blow.

Should I just buy a new head? I kinda want to, but am afraid of removing the studs from the old head.

Thanks guys!

BTW, I took lots of pictures. If I'm successful, I want to contribute by making a Head Gasket/Timing chain Pictorial Adaptation of the Factory service manual. Kinda like 92 Toy.
Old 06-09-2015, 11:55 AM
  #46  
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
skypilot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Peekskill, NY
Posts: 1,151
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
The machinist can tell you if the head been cut. Worst case you need a special cam gear from LCE.
Old 06-10-2015, 02:20 PM
  #47  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
Contra472's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by skypilot
The machinist can tell you if the head been cut. Worst case you need a special cam gear from LCE.
Thanks skypilot.

Took it to the machine shop today Head is warped. I didn't want to risk milling it more and then having to shim it.... Or messs with the timing.

Sooooo.... I ordered a new complete head from eBay.... Yes, I know engine builder is the cat's meow, but this ebay one said it's cast in Canada.
Old 06-11-2015, 02:53 PM
  #48  
Registered User
 
bicklebok's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Montgomery, AL
Posts: 142
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks for keeping us up to date on your progess. You will get it running great soon!
Old 06-11-2015, 10:01 PM
  #49  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
Contra472's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks for the encouragement! I will keep this updated regardless of fail/success

Received my OEM head gasket today....and it's bent/creased in several places around the timing cover part only....other than that, it looks fine.

Sucks, but I guess I'll run it and hope for the best?

Old 06-12-2015, 05:40 AM
  #50  
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
skypilot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Peekskill, NY
Posts: 1,151
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
I would press on the front part with an iron or some other flat thing. Also use that copper spray adhesive on it just before installation. Also be sure to use the 65ft lb torque spec for the head bolts, and chase the threads first.
Old 06-12-2015, 09:55 AM
  #51  
Registered User
 
Janos01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 360
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Shaun Crystal Gomban
When I first got my truck I overheated on the way home also. Changed Tstat, bought new water pump but it was my radiator. Removed it and the fins were deteriorated and had allot of buildup inside. Installed new rad and problem was gone. Amazon got cheap decent units. The one I got from performance radiator was on Amazon for 150$ less. Of course I found that after I bought from performance rad.
Originally Posted by Contra472
While I'm sorry you're in the same boat I am, I'm also glad I'm not alone.

What saddens me the most is after I bought the truck, pristine trucks with rebuilt engines and no rust were posted on Craigslist for just $2K more! I should've held out.

But I guess the bright side is it'll be fun learning, and parts are cheap. Super cheap....I got an entire cooling system for $185 bucks, crazy.

Good luck to you too man. These forums have amazing information.
Originally Posted by PlayAwhile
You'll want to flush out that green coolant and go Toyota Red. There's a lot of info online about the 22RE and why red coolant is the way to go.
Originally Posted by Contra472
I did replace the radiator with a new one and seems to be running fine so far (75 miles so far)

I didn't use a stop leak product. I meant I filled up the radiator with Walmarts brand of antifreeze/coolant called super tech, it's green and only $9, 50:50 with distilled water.

I only cheaped out on this because I thought my cooling system would not solve the problem, but it seemed like it did.

I will replace with OEM orange coolant in the near future.
Originally Posted by Contra472
Thanks skypilot.

Took it to the machine shop today Head is warped. I didn't want to risk milling it more and then having to shim it.... Or messs with the timing.

Sooooo.... I ordered a new complete head from eBay.... Yes, I know engine builder is the cat's meow, but this ebay one said it's cast in Canada.
First off nice truck you have there. Regarding parts, O'Reily's is very Yota friendly, if they dont have something in stock they will order it and have it the next day most times. When possible, switch to the Toyota red stuff as alot of the green stuff will corrode the engine over time.

In all, best of luck with your build/repairs.
Old 06-17-2015, 09:14 PM
  #52  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
Contra472's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Good tip Sky Pilot. I'll hit it with my clothes iron on low. Maybe Hi-tack. I'm planning 62ft/lbs + new bolts. With my luck, I'll break the bolt at 65.

O'reilly is actually my go to place (when I need something right away) since it's closest. However, online still can't be beat since generally no sales tax/free shipping/lower prices. Imma switch to Zerex Asian.

Got my ebay head in today. Looks nice, but I actually don't know what I'm looking at to determine quality

Looked everywhere for "MADE IN CANADA", but alas, all I could find was DNJ??? Gosh, hope me cheaping out doesn't come back and bite me in my ass.







Old 06-18-2015, 08:48 AM
  #53  
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
skypilot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Peekskill, NY
Posts: 1,151
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Check your valve seat pressure before you go any further. It should be no more than 90 pounds. If its greater it needs to be overhauled to get the seat pressure in spec or else kiss your camshaft goodbye. Also check and see if the valve heads stick out into the chamber area, another way to tell seat pressure is excessive. Also check head for flatness just in case it needs to cut.

Judging by looks & price its chinese. I really do hope it works for you.

I hope you got a good head, I really do. I went the other route and had my known toyota heads redone even though enginbdlr says they are problem after the beating I gave them.
Old 06-18-2015, 10:48 AM
  #54  
Super Moderator
Staff
iTrader: (1)
 
Terrys87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Anderson Missouri
Posts: 11,788
Likes: 0
Received 21 Likes on 19 Posts
DNJ is Engbldr. I am guessing you bought a head off of him thru ebay and may have not noticed it. Here is what his packaging looks like to maybe help identify your head. I could be wrong but that who I am thinking you got the head from.

Engbldr rebuild kit.
Name:  engnbldr1_zps41d93212.jpg
Views: 108
Size:  68.5 KB
Old 06-18-2015, 04:24 PM
  #55  
Registered User
 
Odin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 905
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
DNJ Engine Components http://www.enginecomponents.com/

Headquarters
8960 Lurline Avenue
Chatsworth, CA 91311

Last edited by Odin; 06-18-2015 at 04:30 PM.
Old 06-18-2015, 07:26 PM
  #56  
Registered User
 
jbtvt's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Southern NH
Posts: 578
Received 11 Likes on 10 Posts
Rockauto sells a lot of the DNJ stuff too, but if Engnbldr does it's probably decent. Highly doubt it's made in Canada though. Should tell you where it's made on the packaging it was shipped with somewhere if you're concerned about it.

Didn't want to go for the refurbished OEM heads on Ebay for $290? I almost did, wish I had.
Old 06-19-2015, 07:16 PM
  #57  
Registered User
 
pepper29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Odin
I'd dump that green coolant, even if it came back from a shop that freshly installed it.
From what I've read the Toyota Red Coolant PT#002721LLAC01 that you have to add water to is the way to go. Apparently it's a little more tailored for the Japanese aluminum head mounted on the iron block combination and can keep corrosion problems from happening for longer periods of time.
Toyota Red coolant plus distilled water...about $1.00 per gal
Old 06-30-2015, 09:22 AM
  #58  
Registered User
 
Mahogany's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Your truck is in a lot better shape than mine (1986 SR5 Xtra cab 22RE), body-wise...I'm looking at a new bed, total repaint, chasing surface rust below, etc. I had an engine rebuild at 179K miles (blown head gasket)...unfortunately only 35K later the oil pan needs a new gasket. Still, I've had this truck for 25 years so I'm committed to fixing everything & driving it for another 25...
Old 07-19-2015, 08:35 PM
  #59  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
Contra472's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Update

Been on Vacay, but time to get back at it!

Originally Posted by skypilot
Check your valve seat pressure before you go any further. It should be no more than 90 pounds. If its greater it needs to be overhauled to get the seat pressure in spec or else kiss your camshaft goodbye. Also check and see if the valve heads stick out into the chamber area, another way to tell seat pressure is excessive. Also check head for flatness just in case it needs to cut.

Judging by looks & price its chinese. I really do hope it works for you.

I hope you got a good head, I really do. I went the other route and had my known toyota heads redone even though enginbdlr says they are problem after the beating I gave them.
Thanks skypilot. I don't have any of the tools to check that kind of stuff, so I think I'm just going to run it. It comes with a 3 year unlimited miles warranty, so hopefully, I'll be okay.

It probably is Chinese though

Originally Posted by Terrys87
DNJ is Engbldr. I am guessing you bought a head off of him thru ebay and may have not noticed it. Here is what his packaging looks like to maybe help identify your head. I could be wrong but that who I am thinking you got the head from.
It wasn't Engblder unfortunately. It was some guys named "machine shop pros", it did ship from Chatsworth though, which is where DNJ is located. (Thanks Odin!)

Originally Posted by Jbtvt
Rockauto sells a lot of the DNJ stuff too, but if Engnbldr does it's probably decent. Highly doubt it's made in Canada though. Should tell you where it's made on the packaging it was shipped with somewhere if you're concerned about it.

Didn't want to go for the refurbished OEM heads on Ebay for $290? I almost did, wish I had.
I'm thinking I should have went for that too...

Originally Posted by Mahogany
Your truck is in a lot better shape than mine (1986 SR5 Xtra cab 22RE), body-wise...I'm looking at a new bed, total repaint, chasing surface rust below, etc. I had an engine rebuild at 179K miles (blown head gasket)...unfortunately only 35K later the oil pan needs a new gasket. Still, I've had this truck for 25 years so I'm committed to fixing everything & driving it for another 25...
Glad I'm not alone The rust stuff still bothers me, but I'm determined to fix it. I pulled by oil pan too. Actually wasn't too bad dropping the diff. Good luck man, I have tons of pics of the oil pan removal if you want any help.
Old 07-19-2015, 09:03 PM
  #60  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
Contra472's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Clean block tips?

I've been cleaning my block surface for 2 hours a night for a week now. Pretty frustrated. 15+ Razor blades and chemicals. Progressed from brake cleaner and gasket remover all the way to MEK. I probably have cancer by now.

I have read every thread on the internet about cleaning blocks. I know there is a big debate on using ScotchBrite/3M Roloc/Bristle Wheels taking too much off and Aluminum Oxide getting in the engine and destroying the bearings and bores.

Which is why I've stuck with razors and poisons, but with each day, and each breath of Acetone fumes, I'm seriously consider gambling with the Bristle Wheel.

For the most part, the deck is smooth. But there are spots next to the coolant jackets on the exhaust side. Residue has fused there, and I've barely made any progress even scraping it 1000+ times.

Those residue spots can be felt with a naked finger, as a very slight unevenness.

I don't think I'll make anymore progress with razors/solvents.

Do you guys think it's okay to run the head gasket as is? OEM
Or should I gamble with the discs? I know I can always vacuum the grit, but is that enough? What about the coolant passages, I can't vacuum from there.

Thanks guys!

The discoloration is heavy stains.











Quick Reply: Foolishly bought a bad truck, need opinion on overheating and rust



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:11 AM.