Gregs94Toy

How about a dual pyrometer set up, one mounted downstream right before the thottle body and one external on the fender near where the airbox would be?

donomite49

i think what we have forgotten about in the cold air intake debate (me included), is the fact that the two definate advantages they have, is the stock air box will collect and hold water in a water crossing situation and they have more surface area so they will not restrict air flow when (if) they start to become clogged. granted both of these are offroad situations, but they do offer advantages over the oem filterbox combo other than a horsepower increase.

Gregs94Toy

Ok so I went to Home Depot this morning and put together an intake pipe with flexible rubber hoses. Below is a picture of it. Cost $30 in parts and some elbow grease to cut the 3'' piece of ABS down to the right length of the old intake pipe + cutting the 90 degree 3'' elbows to fit which was easy.

No leaks for air and engine seems to run pretty good. Better low end throttle response than the CAI previously pictured. Added the K&N drop in filter and did a partial deck plate hole in the front of the airbox. Hope you guys like it..I may stick with this set up because it not only looks cooler, flows better air but it's most likely smog legal again.

Dirt Driver

This is an example of two fallacies of argumentation. The first one is placing the burden of proof on us when it's on you and the second is appealing to ignorance. The latter basically means that absence of contrary evidence is proof of truth. In this case, the second fallacy is used to prop up the first. I know the discussion has steered a different direction, but I thought I that was worth pointing out.

I fully intend to get my own dedicated datalogger and various sensors so I can do this kind of testing simply to answer my own questions. In fact, I could probably put together a completely serviceable one with an unused MegaSquirt and the sensors I already have. Will I go to that trouble for the purposes of this thread, though? Probably not.

Gregs94Toy

lol there's always one on every forum I visit . I showed photos originally of a working product I was happy with and a few naysayers of this system came in with opinions and no scientific facts (just opinions on how they thought warm air circulates,etc) to back up their opinions as fact. So actually, if you try to rebuttle against a stated fact or product you should bring the evidence to disprove it if you think it sucks or doesn't work.

I didn't ask for opinions originally just showed a photo report of a "CAI" system I bought off EBAY. Since it's off the truck and I like the one I built today better, I could care less. I challenge you to do air temp tests with a CAI because I am very interested in the research data you come up with and I am sure it could be beneficial to everyone.

"G"

The research has already been done on numerous other platforms and racing. That is where my experience and opinions stem from.

SCToy

You know dynos often give you a false reading with cold air intakes because because the fan pointed at the front of your car cannot recreate what is really going on with a moving vehicle. Once you're going faster than 25 mph or so it's really all "cold air" by your intake.

Now, not to say there isn't improvements to be made, but I doubt you can just poit fingers at a single part like the air box and unlock a 10% power gain.

combatcarl

Yeah. I'm just getting sucked into it. Ha. I want to see what my intake temps run anyway, and I might get some unscientific facts out of it. No luck with my temp probe searches today. I'm going cheap!

Gregs94Toy

Yeah I was looking for data specific for daily city or highway driving on a 22re engine in particular..not racing.

"G"

Once you have a basic understanding of cold air and heat control you will understand that the 22re is no different a platform than race engines. My opinions are based on my experiences creating big hp from racing engines.

Gregs94Toy

Yea, no...totally different platform, totally different needs with a stock intake and TB. Same goes with diesels, you don't need to have twin turbos on a stock engine nor do you really need a colder air intake on something tuned down to factory spec other than a factory airbox. A stock 22re's air needs are totally different than a race engine.

"G"

Like I said "Once you have a basic understanding of cold air and heat control"

Also once you have this basic knowledge you will save your self some $ because you won't buy these things from ebay.

Gregs94Toy

If fact supercedes your armchair science, then where does that leave your understanding of cold air and heat control. Mileage results show no difference between stock airbox and CAI and neither does power change. So that alone is proof race engines do not have the same needs as a stock engine alone. So if there's no gain or loss either way in power, mileage, etc..then maybe you should go back to the drawing board for some more basic understanding 101 , for $37 it's not bad bang for the buck since OEM filters cost $15-20 anyway...

"G"

Like I said my "armchair science" comes from years of building high hp turbo charged engines. I don't have time to explain my understanding in this thread. Read up on the subject before you make another bad purchase. No one is saying race engines require the same thing as a stock 22re. I am saying that once you have a basic understanding you will understand you wasted your money.

Gregs94Toy

I also have years of turbo engine performance, and you are trying to compare apples to oranges. The purchase was great, it works for me, and an Ebay store with 25k+ feedbacks for these and other small performance mod items supercedes armchair mouthpieces. You don't have time to explain your position only enough time to argue post after post with no scientific data... Doing a Google search on all the failures of these Chrome Intakes over the years along with angry customers hasn't turned up anything yet .

Teuf

"The purchase was great, it works for me."
OK everyone ^ thats all that matters. To each his own. ^5 on a CAI.

daved5150

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Ok, in layman's terms, why does the gold color work better than the silver color? I searched and found some online but no explaination why. Wait...don't they use the gold stuff in aerospace applications? All Summit sells is the sliver "aluminized" stuff. Found some gold stuff here:

http://www.full-race.com/store/therm...tive-film.html

I still have the K&N air in with stock box.

The Napa Gold filter is set up the same as stock but with less pleats at 25 pleats in the top of the filter.

**So you added another hole in front of the box? I just took out the tube that was inside the box.

Man that is so simple yet so smart....and cheap. Why didn't I think of that before I bought that expensive set up from LCE....?
Well, the LCE tube won't go on because the overflow tube on the radiator is on the engine side instead of along side and running parallel with the rad so it interferes with the fit. I have an idea of what I may do. I may cut off the tube in front of the neck and plug the hole with epoxy. And drill a hole and add a tube on the side of the neck with epoxy....but I may in the mean time go buy some 3" PVC and the rubber boots...

This thread has really heated up....as everyone knows the stock AFM on the 22re's is the bottleneck. Besides a bigger and straighter tube for smoother air flow to the motor, the Supra AFM with 3" outlet is prob the way to go. I am also a fan of using the stock box because the air comes from outside the truck and not the static air under the hood. I am not claiming to be an expert here but I think by using the air flowing into the stock box's intake from in front of the moving vehicle under speed, there will be more air coming in than by sucking air from under the hood. Strictly my opinion and thoughts....no facts to base it on. Has anyone ever tried this set up or made their own:

http://www.lceperformance.com/Mass-A...-p/1063070.htm

Now if you can take something like that and use the stock box with it, that would be something to use to lose the restriction of the AFM. I just don't like the cone filter under the hood. Thoughts....?

Found this one thread but there are probably more.......

https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116...ersion-200643/

"G"

Home depot racing.

Gregs94Toy

Entrepreneur Racing Ingenuity with very good knowledge of cold air dynamics and means for thinking outside the box. Glad you like my idea.

daved5150

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Yeeaa Buddeee! How about HillBilly Racing Development or Redneck Engineering? Plumbing Intake R & D?

Hey Greg, I haven't forgotten about the pics of the mod to the airbox. I will post here asap.