rvsmichael

hey guys i got this 86 sr5 turbo that will start and run for about 5 sec then shuts down it will restart but repeats the same affect it shuts down in 5 sec. I know the timing is on i got fire i got fuel my timing is perfect on the crank and cam is good. I do have a un useable hose that looks like one of the main vaccume hose from the vacume booster but dont know if this has any affect or not i do have a plug in the end of the hose at the time any help will be appreciated thanks . my tps is good. a year on this now i need to get it up and on the road. thanks for post

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Mike
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75k5toy

don't know if this help you, but when i bought my 86 turbo. after i replaced the cracked head with a 22re. i had problems to keep the idle, i set it at 800rpm but when get to a stop, the rpm's went down to 500 or 400 and to keep the engine running without pumpping the gas, i just turned the a/c on. then off when started to go, i did this for about a month, then the problem got itself fixed. maybe had some crap in the fuel lines. (just an idea).

yota4runna

It's possible that it's starting on the Cold Start Injector and then dying because the fuel pump shuts off after you release the key to the "run" position. Once the engine starts, the fuel pump is supposed to be energized through the Circuit Opening Relay, which is turned on by a switch in the Air Flow Meter. Look at the circuit below to see how it's wired.



You can test to see if the fuel pump is running all right by making a jumper out of a paper clip and jumping the Fuel Pump Test Connector, on the drivers fenderwell like this:



With the jumper installed and the ignition key "on" you should hear the fuel pump running and you should hear fuel flowing through the fuel rail. Try to start it now with the jumper installed. If it runs now, there's a problem in the switch in the AFM or the wiring to the COR.

abecedarian

Think for a moment about what happens within the EFI system and the engine in order to get the engine running and this is true for both the turbo 22RTE(C) and the 22RE(C)....

The ECU measures all sorts of things including the engine temperature (determined by the coolant temp sensor), engine rpms (determined by the distributor pick-up coil and igniter module)... how far the throttle is opened (the throttle position sensor), how much air is entering the engine (determined by the air-flow meter on top of the air filter) and how 'warm' (and consequently how dense) that air is. When the engine's warmed up it uses the O2 sensor to fine tune the fuel mixture.

To simplify things a bit, the ECU programmers figured out that at a certain RPM the engine needs 'X' amount of fuel and timing. They programmed in 'Maps' that the ECU could read in order to get the amount of fuel required and then the ECU uses the sensors to adjust that amount according to temperature, throttle opening and feedback from the O2. Had they not done that, the ECU would have to sample all those sensors, do the math and calculate how much fuel should be injected and that would require a lot of CPU time (consider we're talking about a system from the 80's) in order to calculate that on the fly.

Now... you're having an issue with the engine dying after starting. The fact the engine starts rules out most everything in the fuel and ignition system- apparently the injectors are working and the spark plugs are firing. So what would cause the engine to die after a few seconds of seemingly perfect operation? One has to consider exactly how the EFI system works on our trucks in order to get to that answer.

When you turn the ignition key and start the engine, a few things happen. The obvious first thing is the starter spins and cranks the engine over- necessary to get the engine running. The second thing is the Circuit Opening Relay (COR) is energized thus supplying voltage to the fuel pump in order to deliver fuel to the Cold Start Injector and the fuel injectors in general. Given that your engine starts and runs for a few seconds implies both of those systems are working at least somewhat as designed.

We end up with a problem though (if you think about it for a moment) when you release the key after the engine starts- the COR stops operating and would cut power to the fuel pump causing fuel to stop circulating and the engine to die. Toyota figured that out. They put another set of contacts in the air-flow meter on top of the air filter which turns the COR on (and thus the fuel pump) when there is enough air flowing through the meter to keep the engine running. So in a nutshell: the ignition key turns the fuel pump on and cranks the engine over to start it and the air-flow meter keeps the fuel pump turned on once the engine has started running.

Logically speaking, the fact the engine runs for a few seconds then stops running implies that the fuel is being cut or that there is too much air getting into the system around the air-flow meter. So a large vacuum leak, like one would have if the main pipe to the brake booster were leaking, could cause that. A crack in the intake duct from the throttle body to the air flow meter could cause that as well. In the first case, the fuel mixture is too lean to keep the engine running, and in the second case the air-flow meter is not being opened enough to turn the COR on.

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abecedarian

I also have to ask... if you can't keep the engine running how are you able to set the timing? You have to jumper the appropriate connector to put the ECU into its basic mode and then rotate the distributor as required to set the timing. If you can't keep the engine running for more than 5 seconds it's an exercise in futility to set the timing.

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