remove knuckle arm completely? - Page 2

live4soccer7 · 11-03-2009, 08:12 PM

No lift on the truck. Sorry for the lack of knowledge on the matter, but how does high steer fix it (just don't know much the 4x4 world yet, learning quickly though)? I'll I've soaked with wd40 and carb cleaner. Nothing yet. I'll get more on there.

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tmcorbin · 11-04-2009, 02:52 AM

pick up a can of pb blaster at the parts store. soak it everyday for a few days, then take it to a shop with a large press and see if they can press it out. about the only other suggestion I can give. good luck

live4soccer7 · 11-06-2009, 07:31 AM

new update. Still no progress. i got a bigger pickle fork and this thing is stout. I could not pry this thing off or shim it in there enough to make it pop it off. It will not come off. I am going to plan G and that is to remove the tie rod end (which seems it may present the same problem, hopefully not) and then I should have some more room to work and be able to use some other tool or take it somewhere so I can salvage the steering/knuckle arm.

tmcorbin · 11-06-2009, 11:06 AM

I think if I in your possition at this point I would take the TRE and steering arm of, and litteraly put them down in a bucket of pb blaster for about a week, take it out a few times a day and tap with a hammer to set up a vibration. Then take to a shop with a heavy floor press and see if they can press it out.

live4soccer7 · 11-06-2009, 11:13 AM

I may end up doing something like that. Thanks.

gary96360 · 11-06-2009, 11:36 AM

use the pickle fork and hammer the living daylights of it with the sledge hhammer lol

live4soccer7 · 11-06-2009, 11:43 AM

That's what i did last night. I used the pickle for as a wedge and smashed the hell out of it with a 10lb sludge hammer. Didn't move. It's actually tearing the ball out of the joint, which I'm getting a new tie rod end anyways, so I don't really care. I just need it to all come apart so I can use the knuckle arm again.

zlathim · 11-06-2009, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by live4soccer7

new update. Still no progress. i got a bigger pickle fork and this thing is stout. I could not pry this thing off or shim it in there enough to make it pop it off. It will not come off. I am going to plan G and that is to remove the tie rod end (which seems it may present the same problem, hopefully not) and then I should have some more room to work and be able to use some other tool or take it somewhere so I can salvage the steering/knuckle arm.

You are hitting the pickle fork with a hammer right?

It kind of sounds like you are just trying to pry it off there with the pickle fork. I probably just read it wrong, but thought I would chime in anyway.

live4soccer7 · 11-06-2009, 12:01 PM

I tried all of the above. Thanks though

Etype R · 11-06-2009, 12:45 PM

Have you been soaking it in PB blaster? Try more heat every time too.

live4soccer7 · 11-06-2009, 01:03 PM

Yep, it's soaking as we speak. I'm going to get another puller (hopefully better quality) and remove the tie rod end with the knuckle then I believe I can devise something to get the two separated.

live4soccer7 · 11-07-2009, 07:33 PM

another update, still not progress. I got another puller today at napa and it broke that puller also. It was supposed to be a stronger one. I was going to remove the stabilizer from the tie rod and it's the same freakin situation. I can't try the puller on it b/c it's already broken. Is there something I can rent or that is much much stronger that can get the job done? I am not going to be able to remove the tie rod end or move the vehicle.

live4soccer7 · 11-09-2009, 11:44 AM

alright, i may have to just replace the whole damn steering arm too. This is getting ridiculous. What kind of upgrades would be suggested if I'm going to be replacing this much stuff?

Etype R · 11-09-2009, 11:48 AM

What about taking the arm to a shop, let them deal with popping it out?

Really the only steering upgrade with be a crossover high steer setup, but they require a 3 inch lift to clear all the parts. In the end its far from a cheap upgrade.

live4soccer7 · 11-09-2009, 11:56 AM

Yeah, I got you on that one. I was just looking at all of that info. Maybe down the road more. I can't get the stabilizer off the tie rod either. Same problem. I could remove it from the other side I suppose. Just getting really pissed off over the situation b/c this is holding the entire project up. I've got someone coming over to help out in a day or two. I guess I'll continue cleaning parts and what not.

Got the POR 15 a few days back for the coating of the knuckle and all that good stuff.

theAuthority · 11-09-2009, 11:57 AM

pb blaster is terrible.

go with ATF and Acetone ... mix it up and let it sit overnight. best penetrator ever.

live4soccer7 · 11-09-2009, 12:00 PM

I'll have to give it a shot.

Thanks. I'm going to work on it more this evening. I'll post up about the progress

theAuthority · 11-09-2009, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theAuthority

pb blaster is terrible.

go with ATF and Acetone ... mix it up and let it sit overnight. best penetrator ever.

http://www.yotatech.com/f123/penetra...arison-193496/

4Crawler · 11-09-2009, 12:37 PM

One other thing that often works wonders is to heat up the stud of the rod end (to the point the opposite end starts to smoke), than apply a candle to the bottom of the stud and let the heat wick the molten paraffin up into the joint. You can try to remove the rod end when the end is still hot and if that does not work, try it after it cools. And try tapping on the side of the arm where the rod end stud passes through. I also have found that putting on a puller, tightening it up and leaving it for a while with repeated re-tightening works also. Have use this to pull pitman arms off of steering boxes. I have a puller that broke on my first all-in-one-shot attempt, but I welded up the broken arm and then used it in the slow and steady approach and it has worked fine since then.

tmcorbin · 11-09-2009, 08:57 PM

ATF and Acetone....I'll have to give that a shot. I have some old stuff of both around and was wondering what I was going to do with them.

Might want to give 4crawlers way a try.

Another option would be to find a pick a part and get the TR and steering knuckle. Might be the cheapest way to replace them.

I have been using some stuff called "Freeze Off", you can get it at AutoZone. Picked up the first can when I first got my runner. You spray it on the nut or bolt for 10 seconds, then hit it with a bfh. I have yet to break a bolt using the stuff. I ran out working on the 87 one day, had some PB blaster, used it, and broke 4 bolts on the stabilizer bar. Went back to AZ and got some more freeze off, and have not had a problem. It must be filled with CO2 to freeze the nut. I dont know if it will work on your TRE, the threaded end and steering arm is much larger than anything I have tried it on.

Hope you get it soon.

Wardamneagle · 11-10-2009, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by live4soccer7

alright, i may have to just replace the whole damn steering arm too. This is getting ridiculous. What kind of upgrades would be suggested if I'm going to be replacing this much stuff?

You should be able to get a steering arm at a pick-n-pull for almost nothing. I see them on ebay sometimes. I would replace the Tie-rod with one from Budbuilt or Marlin with the Fzj80 tie-rod ends. They are much beefier than OEM.

TOYOTA 1 · 11-10-2009, 12:52 PM

^ i dont think they wont fit in the factory steering arms. 99% sure, but not 100% lol

Spookee · 11-10-2009, 03:12 PM

Are you removing this to upgrade to high streee? If so remove the other side and throw it away. Use the puller to apply pulling pressure on the TRE while you are tring everything else. Thightin the puller till you see it flex. Then smak the end of the puller or the side of the J arm (im assuming that you are replacing the TRE) with a hammer while heating it. Then tightin it alittle more. Whatch for the ends of the puller slipping off the edge of the TRE. Good luck.

live4soccer7 · 11-10-2009, 10:35 PM

yes, I'm replacing the tre's. No upgrades this go round. I did get them removed. The snow is suppose to fly thursday or wednesday night so I'm working double time on this thing. I've go the parts cleaned and ready for the POR 15. I will probably do a high steer when I get a lift, but that's out of the question for this year because I need the truck for winter and it is knockin on my back door.

I removed the tre (got the stabilizer off the tie rod by hitting it with a nut on the end of the stud, used 5-10 lb hammer) and then heated an Oxy Acetylene torch I was able to get from some one (map torch didn't work, guessing it was because it was heating too slowly) and then braced the thing on a jack and hit it with all the force I had in me. Thing came off.

The other side, I used the same hammer and hit it as hard as I possibly could about 5 times (on the knuckle arm, but perpendicular to the stud) and it knocked it loose. SOBs!!!! Finally conquered.

Finishing up the cleaning process and then it will all be painted and that one side will be assembled, then I will disassemble the other side and do it all over except I expect it to go twice as fast.

Etype R · 11-11-2009, 05:09 AM

Awesome news, glad you finally got it out!

11-04-2009, 02:52 AM	#27 (permalink)
tmcorbin Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 149	pick up a can of pb blaster at the parts store. soak it everyday for a few days, then take it to a shop with a large press and see if they can press it out. about the only other suggestion I can give. good luck __________________ 85 4runner 22re, 170K, clean and straight. Still working through 20 years of scheduled maint. Future plans, engbldr street RV head, cam and OS valves, engbldr over haul kit, Marlin Crawler trany rebuild kit, T-case rebuild, 2" lift, interior, repaint. Currently 20mpg, Sound great, using 1qt of oil every two days.

11-06-2009, 11:06 AM	#29 (permalink)
tmcorbin Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 149	I think if I in your possition at this point I would take the TRE and steering arm of, and litteraly put them down in a bucket of pb blaster for about a week, take it out a few times a day and tap with a hammer to set up a vibration. Then take to a shop with a heavy floor press and see if they can press it out. __________________ 85 4runner 22re, 170K, clean and straight. Still working through 20 years of scheduled maint. Future plans, engbldr street RV head, cam and OS valves, engbldr over haul kit, Marlin Crawler trany rebuild kit, T-case rebuild, 2" lift, interior, repaint. Currently 20mpg, Sound great, using 1qt of oil every two days.

11-06-2009, 12:45 PM	#35 (permalink)
Etype R Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 294	Have you been soaking it in PB blaster? Try more heat every time too. __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner - Full SR5 package - 4 inch lift - 35" tires

11-09-2009, 11:48 AM	#39 (permalink)
Etype R Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 294	What about taking the arm to a shop, let them deal with popping it out? Really the only steering upgrade with be a crossover high steer setup, but they require a 3 inch lift to clear all the parts. In the end its far from a cheap upgrade. __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner - Full SR5 package - 4 inch lift - 35" tires

11-09-2009, 11:57 AM	#41 (permalink)
theAuthority Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Lynnwood, WA Posts: 1,625	pb blaster is terrible. go with ATF and Acetone ... mix it up and let it sit overnight. best penetrator ever. __________________ Proud sponsor of the re-poster thread. Where there is Substance. http://www.yotatech.com/f5/you-re-poster-193103/

11-06-2009, 07:31 AM	#28 (permalink)
live4soccer7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 437	new update. Still no progress. i got a bigger pickle fork and this thing is stout. I could not pry this thing off or shim it in there enough to make it pop it off. It will not come off. I am going to plan G and that is to remove the tie rod end (which seems it may present the same problem, hopefully not) and then I should have some more room to work and be able to use some other tool or take it somewhere so I can salvage the steering/knuckle arm.

11-06-2009, 11:13 AM	#30 (permalink)
live4soccer7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 437	I may end up doing something like that. Thanks.

11-06-2009, 11:43 AM	#32 (permalink)
live4soccer7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 437	That's what i did last night. I used the pickle for as a wedge and smashed the hell out of it with a 10lb sludge hammer. Didn't move. It's actually tearing the ball out of the joint, which I'm getting a new tie rod end anyways, so I don't really care. I just need it to all come apart so I can use the knuckle arm again.

11-06-2009, 12:01 PM	#34 (permalink)
live4soccer7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 437	I tried all of the above. Thanks though

11-06-2009, 01:03 PM	#36 (permalink)
live4soccer7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 437	Yep, it's soaking as we speak. I'm going to get another puller (hopefully better quality) and remove the tie rod end with the knuckle then I believe I can devise something to get the two separated.

11-07-2009, 07:33 PM	#37 (permalink)
live4soccer7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 437	another update, still not progress. I got another puller today at napa and it broke that puller also. It was supposed to be a stronger one. I was going to remove the stabilizer from the tie rod and it's the same freakin situation. I can't try the puller on it b/c it's already broken. Is there something I can rent or that is much much stronger that can get the job done? I am not going to be able to remove the tie rod end or move the vehicle.

11-09-2009, 11:44 AM	#38 (permalink)
live4soccer7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 437	alright, i may have to just replace the whole damn steering arm too. This is getting ridiculous. What kind of upgrades would be suggested if I'm going to be replacing this much stuff?

11-09-2009, 11:56 AM	#40 (permalink)
live4soccer7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 437	Yeah, I got you on that one. I was just looking at all of that info. Maybe down the road more. I can't get the stabilizer off the tie rod either. Same problem. I could remove it from the other side I suppose. Just getting really pissed off over the situation b/c this is holding the entire project up. I've got someone coming over to help out in a day or two. I guess I'll continue cleaning parts and what not. Got the POR 15 a few days back for the coating of the knuckle and all that good stuff.

11-09-2009, 12:00 PM	#42 (permalink)
live4soccer7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 437	I'll have to give it a shot. Thanks. I'm going to work on it more this evening. I'll post up about the progress

11-09-2009, 12:37 PM	#44 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 7,835	One other thing that often works wonders is to heat up the stud of the rod end (to the point the opposite end starts to smoke), than apply a candle to the bottom of the stud and let the heat wick the molten paraffin up into the joint. You can try to remove the rod end when the end is still hot and if that does not work, try it after it cools. And try tapping on the side of the arm where the rod end stud passes through. I also have found that putting on a puller, tightening it up and leaving it for a while with repeated re-tightening works also. Have use this to pull pitman arms off of steering boxes. I have a puller that broke on my first all-in-one-shot attempt, but I welded up the broken arm and then used it in the slow and steady approach and it has worked fine since then. __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs or 35x12.50 MTRs r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

11-09-2009, 08:57 PM	#45 (permalink)
tmcorbin Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 149	ATF and Acetone....I'll have to give that a shot. I have some old stuff of both around and was wondering what I was going to do with them. Might want to give 4crawlers way a try. Another option would be to find a pick a part and get the TR and steering knuckle. Might be the cheapest way to replace them. I have been using some stuff called "Freeze Off", you can get it at AutoZone. Picked up the first can when I first got my runner. You spray it on the nut or bolt for 10 seconds, then hit it with a bfh. I have yet to break a bolt using the stuff. I ran out working on the 87 one day, had some PB blaster, used it, and broke 4 bolts on the stabilizer bar. Went back to AZ and got some more freeze off, and have not had a problem. It must be filled with CO2 to freeze the nut. I dont know if it will work on your TRE, the threaded end and steering arm is much larger than anything I have tried it on. Hope you get it soon. __________________ 85 4runner 22re, 170K, clean and straight. Still working through 20 years of scheduled maint. Future plans, engbldr street RV head, cam and OS valves, engbldr over haul kit, Marlin Crawler trany rebuild kit, T-case rebuild, 2" lift, interior, repaint. Currently 20mpg, Sound great, using 1qt of oil every two days.

11-10-2009, 03:12 PM	#48 (permalink)
Spookee Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4	Are you removing this to upgrade to high streee? If so remove the other side and throw it away. Use the puller to apply pulling pressure on the TRE while you are tring everything else. Thightin the puller till you see it flex. Then smak the end of the puller or the side of the J arm (im assuming that you are replacing the TRE) with a hammer while heating it. Then tightin it alittle more. Whatch for the ends of the puller slipping off the edge of the TRE. Good luck. Last edited by Spookee; 11-10-2009 at 03:32 PM.

11-10-2009, 10:35 PM	#49 (permalink)
live4soccer7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 437	yes, I'm replacing the tre's. No upgrades this go round. I did get them removed. The snow is suppose to fly thursday or wednesday night so I'm working double time on this thing. I've go the parts cleaned and ready for the POR 15. I will probably do a high steer when I get a lift, but that's out of the question for this year because I need the truck for winter and it is knockin on my back door. I removed the tre (got the stabilizer off the tie rod by hitting it with a nut on the end of the stud, used 5-10 lb hammer) and then heated an Oxy Acetylene torch I was able to get from some one (map torch didn't work, guessing it was because it was heating too slowly) and then braced the thing on a jack and hit it with all the force I had in me. Thing came off. The other side, I used the same hammer and hit it as hard as I possibly could about 5 times (on the knuckle arm, but perpendicular to the stud) and it knocked it loose. SOBs!!!! Finally conquered. Finishing up the cleaning process and then it will all be painted and that one side will be assembled, then I will disassemble the other side and do it all over except I expect it to go twice as fast. Last edited by live4soccer7; 11-10-2009 at 10:36 PM.

11-11-2009, 05:09 AM	#50 (permalink)
Etype R Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 294	Awesome news, glad you finally got it out! __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner - Full SR5 package - 4 inch lift - 35" tires

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