Toyotafinn

Please excuse me for I am new to this.
I have an 85 Toyota p/u 4x4 and I would like to find out two things to start. I want to put bucket seats in it and I am wondering if a pair from an 03 tacoma excab would fit and also what would be the best way of boosting hp, engine swap or rebuild? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

desertcamper67

Are you carbed or EFI?

toyotabull

fastest way to boost power is to open the exhaust with a header and muffler, second would be to get a weber carb if your rig is carbed, or start with your intake system for fuel injection, then start going into the motor for more power, cam adjustable cam gear, head work, bore it for bigger pistons. But remember 22r and 22re's are for torque to get you through steep hills and mud holes, not for power on the drag strip and with that Welcome to yotatech, search for 22r upgrades or 22re performance Goodluck

sas'd22re

ive been through this before too....the search for more power.what tire size are you running and what gears are in your axles? what type of driving will this be for mostly? the 261* crawler cam is a great way to get some low end power. when i built my motor we ported and polished the head, put in over-sized stainledd steel valves, had a header, bored .020 over, had the 267* cam, 2 1/4" exhaust with a flowmaster 40 series muffler and no cat (mandrel bent tube) the truck had alot more power but still couldnt go up some hills that i thought it should be able to with all that work done. my buddy has a 261* cam in his bush truck and loves it, but it does not see any highway. im finishing up a 7mge supra swap and wish i went this route the first time instead of building up a motor that disappointed me after all that work and money that went into it.
look at a 5mge or 7mge swap. keep your eyes on craigslist and at the wreckers for an older 5 speed, non turbo supra and you'll be laughing. good luck either way you go!

Toyotafinn

Thank you all for your answers. I am running a 22r with 235000 original miles on it. Truck is 5speed all stock.I am not planning on doing more than turning it into a daily driver with maybe some bigger tires. I was thinking swapping the engine out for a newer 4 banger or even a straight six.

sas'd22re

The 5mge came in early supra's and is an inline 6 that came in 82-86.5. The first year or two had 140hp and the later ones had 160. The 7mge came in supras and cressidas from 86.5-92 and have 200hp and 188lbs torque. If you have the bellhousing and clutch assembly its a fairly easy swap. I pieced mine together over 6 months and had some small problems here and there but got everything sorted out

Toyotafinn

Thank you. I think that it would do it. I don't need alot of power, just enough. 140-160hp will do it. I also am looking into putting 03 Tacoma seats in, I was offered two seats in great shape for $100. I understand that I must move the seat belts, but from what I understand, that should not be too hard even for me.

tried4x2signN

I'm gonna try and keep my composure here...

1st off those Supra motors are debored (and depending on which, destroked) as all get out... And their torque curves are in the 5k rpm power band... A motor just doesnt have "500 hp" it's WHERE that hp is that matters...

2nd off, the fastest way to boost power, is to keep stock size tires on it...

You are changing your gear ratio every time you change the tires diameter...

Compare this,

"The Bore was up again to 83.1 mm (3.27 inches) in the 2.8 L (2759 cc) 5M, produced from 1979 through 1988. Although 2-valve SOHC and carbureted versions were made, it is the fuel injected DOHC 5M-GE that is the most common.

The SOHC engine produced just 116 hp (87 kW) at 4800 rpm and 145 ft·lbf (196 Nm) at 3600 rpm.

In Australia the 5M-E (in 1985) was just 103 kW at 4800 rpm and 226 Nm at 3600 rpm due to the leaded petrol at the time."


to this...

"The 2-valve SOHC 2.4 L (2366 cc) 22R was produced from 1981 through 1995.
Cylinder bore was 91.9 mm (3.62 in) and stroke was 88.9 mm (3.5 in).

Initial output was 97 hp (72 kW) at 4800 rpm and 129 ft·lbf (174 N·m) at 2800 rpm.
By 1990 the 22R was producing 108 hp (81 kW) at 5000 rpm and 138 ft·lbf (187 N·m) at 3400 rpm."

:shakes head in disbelief:

mbaksh

I have a toyota pickup with 198000 mile option works I would like $3,500 OBO

tried4x2signN

Then you need the 20/22R Hybrid motor...

With cam and exhaust... it's "rumored" to produce @150hp...



Well when you do, post it up... I'd love to I6's in little engine bays a 4 cyl is supposed to be...

A torqy bastard would be a 3FE with a 2F crank in it...

IF you want torque...

tried4x2signN

Are you still having problems with your truck? If so, unlike all the other asspost-padders I can tell you what's wrong with it...

But you don't need to be hawking your truck here... And you should clean your choice of wording up as well...

All Toyota PUs have a 198000 mile option of you drive them long enough...

sas'd22re

Hey tried...every single guy that I have talked to or have read their swap threads are very happy with their 5m or 7m swaps. I'll be running 36"tsl's and have 4.88 gears. My 22re was a dog in 5th gear with 33"s and with 90 more horsepower and 50ft.lbs torque I'm sure ill be happy too. And who wants to keep stock sized tires on??? Lmao

tried4x2signN

sounds like a killer set-up for the trail... You know, where you never spend any time idling, or need low-end torque...

uhmm... ppl with stock gearing?

sas'd22re

I don't want to get into a pissing match with you, but the numbers your providing are PEAK numbers. The 7m numbers 'below' its peak are STILL more than the 22re at its peak. I'm on my blackberry so I can't show you the charts, but think about it. More power, more torque = bad? That's a new one. I understand the peak numbers are at a higher rpm, but the middle numbers are still higher than the 4 banger. As I said, the guys that I wheel with with the 5m and 7m swaps love them. I don't do deep mud unless I have to and the higher numbers will help there. at 3000rpms, the 7m has more hp and torque. I agree with that off idle numbers are important, but if you start out with a higher number your better off. What set-up do you have? And I believe your right in pointing out that I'm running 4.88's and 36"s. I regeared my truck to run 33"s when I had my 22re, but as with most projects, my plans changed. My one buddy has a tired 5m in his sas'd runner and has 4.10's and does well and my other buddy in his 83 pickup has a 7m with 100,000km's, 36x12.5 tsl's and 5.29's but does a lot of shifting cause its now kinda 'under-geared'. my truck should be running in a few weeks and ill let ya know how she does. Its a full blown rebuild with all arp head studs, hks 1.2mm mhg....it should be sweet

sas'd22re

7mge
199 hp @ 6000rpm
188 torque @ 3600rpm

22r.
97 hp @ 4800rpm
129 torque @ 2800rpm

22re
116 hp @ 4800rpm
140 torque @ 2800rpm

I completely agree with you when you say that the lower the torque starts the better and is what you want on the trail, but when the 7m makes a higher hp or torque number any number at the same rpm as the 22r or 22re, I'm gonna go with the higher number...which is the 7m

tried4x2signN

We're getting O/T here... Bottom line. That's a lot of work for an engine .6 of a liter larger, and has a torque curve 50% (or more) outside normal driving RPMs...

potato, patato... If you want to go fast, sure! If you want low-end torque for pulling and off-roading, no. You'd be better off Turboing a 22R with a (to my knowledge) still in production RET manifold... and CT26 from a 7MGTE.

4 cyls, fits in the bay... already have the block... 2.4L

Rather than all that fabbing, finding, shoehorning and parts chasing... And all for an engine with a torque curve 50% outside normal operating RPMs and a tranny that'll be right at the limit of even handling the POWA!!!

I guess I just don't get the point of swapping in a motor that you won't see the higher numbers on till a very high RPM...
(I don't think a 7MG is this flat)


And the thread's worth a read to... Very entertaining...

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=139356


And I never said that... I did say WHERE it is, is important though...

sas'd22re

If you find a 5speed 5mge or 7mge, you don't have to do ANY parts sourcing...its all there in the car. 2 of the guys I know that have the swaps got cars for under $400. Turboing a 22r would require fabbing and parts sourcing. Again, I'm on my phone and can't paste a chart for you with the 7m numbers, but with the 7m and 22re side by side, the 7m has higher numbers. Post up the chart if you can please. At 2000rpms, at 3000rpms ect...all higher numbers. Those pages you posted had some good reading, but how much would a stroker 22re using all the lce parts needed to make those numbers? Lots. And you saying that you need these low end torque numbers for wheeling, but who wheels with 29" tires?

Toyotafinn

I am only trying to find out what would be the best i.e. cheapest option to change my old and tired 85 22R stock to something I can drive on a daily basis and not only when I need to go to Home Depot. All help in this matter is greatly appreciated.

sas'd22re

So its basically a stock, non-wheeler, that you want a little more power for cheap. Header, 2.25" exhaust, and either a 261 or 267 cam in the new motor. Are you able to do all of this work yourself or are you talking it to a shop?

Toyotafinn

A buddy of mine does some of it, I am hoping that with research and good luck, I should be able to keep cost down....