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jperalta8 Aug 13, 2018 12:37 PM

Power Steering pump issue HELP!
 
Hello, I have a IFS 91 pickup truck with the 3vze, 3" body lift, 3" bj spacers and 35x10 SS (I am pointing the mods out just in case it is neccesary for your recommendation) . Before adding those mods my factory steering pump broke, so I bought a cheap one on ebay, and it is broke too, so I took the truck to a mechanic shop and the guy culd not find one that would work because it would broke almost instantly, so, I would like to know where I could fine one that works fine or if due to my mods I should adapt another one, or which one do you recommend me to use. Thanks a huge lot for your help.

jperalta8 Aug 13, 2018 01:27 PM

Also, where can I get the distributor for the rear brake lines? I have a tire that breaks a hole lot and it is also leaking Thanks again

akwheeler Aug 13, 2018 04:11 PM

Please define "steering pump broke" and "it would broke almost instantly"
did it blow fluid all over?
the shaft broke or "would break almost instantly"?

akwheeler Aug 13, 2018 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by jperalta8 (Post 52405556)
Also, where can I get the distributor for the rear brake lines? I have a tire that breaks a hole lot and it is also leaking Thanks again

Did you mean "brakes a whole lot?" if the axle seal is leaking you should fix that first and replace the oil soaked brake shoes. they pick up brake dust and become very "grabby" when coated with gear lube or brake fluid and you can never clean them enough once they are oil soaked.

akwheeler Aug 13, 2018 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by jperalta8 (Post 52405554)
Hello, I have a IFS 91 pickup truck with the 3vze, 3" body lift, 3" bj spacers and 35x10 SS (I am pointing the mods out just in case it is neccesary for your recommendation) . Before adding those mods my factory steering pump broke, so I bought a cheap one on ebay, and it is broke too, so I took the truck to a mechanic shop and the guy culd not find one that would work because it would broke almost instantly, so, I would like to know where I could fine one that works fine or if due to my mods I should adapt another one, or which one do you recommend me to use. Thanks a huge lot for your help.

Your modifications should have no effect on the power steering pump. It sounds like you may have an issue with fluid not passing through the system either from a plugged pressure hose or something wrong with the steering box (gear).
I have never seen anything similar happen except with a bad batch of replacement parts. I assume in that case they hired a new guy and he messed up a lot before they mended his ways (this case was with alternators). The parts guy was a friend of mine and he told me later (months after I upgraded to a higher quality part) that after 4 or 5 failures on exactly the same part they seemed to work through the bad batch and all was good from then on.

jperalta8 Aug 14, 2018 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by akwheeler (Post 52405564)
Did you mean "brakes a whole lot?" if the axle seal is leaking you should fix that first and replace the oil soaked brake shoes. they pick up brake dust and become very "grabby" when coated with gear lube or brake fluid and you can never clean them enough once they are oil soaked.

I mean that when I slightly step on the brakes there is a rear tire that completely stops instead of a soft stop. My axles are fine, the mechanic found what the issue was, and it is a piece that distributes the brakes fluid between the rear tires. I do not know how the name of the part would be in English, here in DR we called it "repartidor". The thing is that we certainly know because the part is leaking brake fluid and I hoped that somebody could know where I could get that part since I have not found it on eBay.

jperalta8 Aug 14, 2018 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by akwheeler (Post 52405563)
Please define "steering pump broke" and "it would broke almost instantly"
did it blow fluid all over?
the shaft broke or "would break almost instantly"?

I mean that the pump stops working and my steering becomes hard to steer

jperalta8 Aug 14, 2018 08:52 AM

Note that the hoses have been checked and the steering box is OK.

Co_94_PU Aug 14, 2018 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by jperalta8 (Post 52405602)
I mean that when I slightly step on the brakes there is a rear tire that completely stops instead of a soft stop. My axles are fine, the mechanic found what the issue was, and it is a piece that distributes the brakes fluid between the rear tires. I do not know how the name of the part would be in English, here in DR we called it "repartidor". The thing is that we certainly know because the part is leaking brake fluid and I hoped that somebody could know where I could get that part since I have not found it on eBay.

Delivery man,, repartidor. Better translation would be "distribution block".

Doesn't matter what you or I name it, only matters what Toyota named it.

You are maybe talking about the LSPV (load sensitive proportioning valve), this is attached to the frame.

There is a distribution block, splitter, tee connection attached on the axel.

Lspv isn't available.

The other part can be cleaned and remounted, it just joins the three lines no mechanical guts to it.

Alaskans statement still good, you can't be sure it's not just bad/dirty pads untill it's clean and dry, unless you've checked brake line pressure at both brake assembly at which point you want to make sure it's not the lines and need to work your way along the system. Pull it apart clean it up and see if it will hold a seal, then put clean shoes on.

Co_94_PU Aug 14, 2018 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by jperalta8 (Post 52405604)
Note that the hoses have been checked and the steering box is OK.

What are you using for power steering fluid? Most commonly seen failure is the wrong fluid, this system uses ATF (dexron 3, iirc, it's stamped on the older caps.) PS fluid will break them.

Getting a bigger, or different pump is likely to cause issues with the steering box, or some other headache. Look into rebuilding what you have, there are rebuild parts available. If you are determined to upgrade "hydraulic ram assist".

akwheeler Aug 14, 2018 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by jperalta8 (Post 52405602)
I mean that when I slightly step on the brakes there is a rear tire that completely stops instead of a soft stop. My axles are fine, the mechanic found what the issue was, and it is a piece that distributes the brakes fluid between the rear tires. I do not know how the name of the part would be in English, here in DR we called it "repartidor". The thing is that we certainly know because the part is leaking brake fluid and I hoped that somebody could know where I could get that part since I have not found it on eBay.


Originally Posted by Co_94_PU (Post 52405612)
Delivery man,, repartidor. Better translation would be "distribution block".

Doesn't matter what you or I name it, only matters what Toyota named it.

You are maybe talking about the LSPV (load sensitive proportioning valve), this is attached to the frame.

There is a distribution block, splitter, tee connection attached on the axel.

Lspv isn't available.

The other part can be cleaned and remounted, it just joins the three lines no mechanical guts to it.

Alaskans statement still good, you can't be sure it's not just bad/dirty pads untill it's clean and dry, unless you've checked brake line pressure at both brake assembly at which point you want to make sure it's not the lines and need to work your way along the system. Pull it apart clean it up and see if it will hold a seal, then put clean shoes on.

So, your rear brakes are fed by ONE line from the LSPV to a TEE ( T fitting )on the rear axle.
If ONE brake is locking up your issue can ONLY be with the TEE being plugged on ONE side or the tubing/slave cylinder (the side that is NOT locking up) or brake shoes on ONE side (either one side is grabby or the other side is not working).

jperalta8 Aug 14, 2018 06:43 PM

Tha k you for the info very appreciated

jperalta8 Aug 14, 2018 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by Co_94_PU (Post 52405614)
What are you using for power steering fluid? Most commonly seen failure is the wrong fluid, this system uses ATF (dexron 3, iirc, it's stamped on the older caps.) PS fluid will break them.

Getting a bigger, or different pump is likely to cause issues with the steering box, or some other headache. Look into rebuilding what you have, there are rebuild parts available. If you are determined to upgrade "hydraulic ram assist".

I will check with the mechanic and ask him what type of fluid he was poring. I am 90% he was using POWER STEERING fluid not AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID.

jperalta8 Aug 14, 2018 06:48 PM

But are you really sure it uses ATF? Because I always used PSF and it worked fine for many years until the failure on the original pump.

jperalta8 Aug 14, 2018 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by Co_94_PU (Post 52405614)
What are you using for power steering fluid? Most commonly seen failure is the wrong fluid, this system uses ATF (dexron 3, iirc, it's stamped on the older caps.) PS fluid will break them.

Getting a bigger, or different pump is likely to cause issues with the steering box, or some other headache. Look into rebuilding what you have, there are rebuild parts available. If you are determined to upgrade "hydraulic ram assist".

Would it really break my steering box? I was contemplating using the 1650 4.5gpm because I am tired of buying and trying pumps and changing them

mkivbren Aug 17, 2018 08:02 AM

Mine was bad when I bought my 91 in the winter. Flushed it with the old pump in place, then replaced it with a ~$30 rebuilt one from Advanced Auto and performed the factory bleeding procedure. No issues. Did you flush and blead IAW the FSM?

dropzone Aug 17, 2018 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by jperalta8 (Post 52405656)
But are you really sure it uses ATF? Because I always used PSF and it worked fine for many years until the failure on the original pump.


Originally Posted by jperalta8 (Post 52405658)
Would it really break my steering box? I was contemplating using the 1650 4.5gpm because I am tired of buying and trying pumps and changing them

yes, that is probably why your PS pump died. Did you probably bleed it when it was replaced? air bubbles cause cavitation which is not good for the pump


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