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big bear 08-06-2013 05:57 PM

I think my coil is bad
 
90 Runner 4X4 3vze 5 speed SR5

Tested coil with ohmmeter, here's the results.

primary: 0.3 ohms (with in spec)

Secondary: no reading

Had to use the coil to distributor wire for the test, the probes on my multimeter would not reach the conductor in the tower terminal.

Link to my other thread regarding the problem I was having.
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116...roblem-271791/

big bear 08-06-2013 06:00 PM

5 Attachment(s)
Pics of the unit in my rig.

Attachment 155651
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big bear 08-06-2013 06:01 PM

Coil and plug wires are brand new out of the box.

big bear 08-06-2013 06:05 PM

Found a used one on ebay. $30 bucks. On a tight budget ATM.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/90-91-TOYOTA...954#vi-content

big bear 08-06-2013 06:24 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Pick-up readings.
Attachment 155642
Attachment 155643

Good old Haynes, only gives 4cyl specs.

lauriepaul 08-06-2013 09:46 PM

looking at your coil
 
That coil wire don,t look like its fully in !
wrap wire around your probe and put the the other end in the the firing hole !:roll:

Scrussanation 08-06-2013 10:10 PM

im replacing my coil and igniter at same time tomorrow or today I would say @ 9am... I had a code 14.... hope it fixes my issue... and your wire is fully inserted mines the same way and worked forever
according to my book you should get 0.4-0.5 ohms on primary side of coil, note this is for cold coils the secondary circuit resistance should be 10.2-13.8k ohms. mine starts failing after it heats up a while

Gamefreakgc 08-07-2013 06:56 AM

You should be getting a reading on the secondary resistance. The fact you got nothing means one of two things:

1. Your coil wire is bad out of the box, somewhere along the line the wire is severed.

2. Your coil wire isn't inserted all the way! The lip of the rubber should be over the tower and should be straight up and down, which it isn't. If you're set on keeping it, cut off the excess rubber so that it fits right. If you don't believe me, take a pencil and measure how deep the tower is. Then compare from the edge of the rubber to the metal tip. Does it reach the bottom to make a firm connection?

big bear 08-07-2013 08:08 AM

6 Attachment(s)
First off, thank you gentlemen for your help.

I'm a good assembler, mechanically, but my electrical skills aren't that great.

Some more pics, more experiments.

Pretty clean in there.
Attachment 155612

Probe extension wire.
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Wire jammed in tight with coil plug. Meter at lowest setting.
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Meter set at 20k
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Without plug jammed in.
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Using 1/4 inch extension bar for probe extension, 2 inches in length

Attachment 155617.

big bear 08-07-2013 08:11 AM

2 Attachment(s)
Coil wires.

Old wire, meter set at 2000.
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New wire, meter set a 20k

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big bear 08-07-2013 08:27 AM

Seems to me the resistance is WAY too high, no where near specs, but I did get readings this time.

big bear 08-07-2013 08:29 AM

Looks like the old wires are better than the new ones.

big bear 08-07-2013 09:04 AM

I re-installed the coil/ignitor with the old coil/dist wire, it fired up, real rough though.
Idle is too low, lots of smoke.
I'll turn up the idle via the adjusting nuts on the cable, smoke may be from all the unburned gas in the exhaust system from the cranking I've been doing without it starting.

Breakfast is ready, so I'll play with it some more after I eat.

Gsolo 08-07-2013 09:14 AM

coil readings look ok to me...wire reading seems too high on the new one, although whether it would cause a problem or not is debatable.

Usually the only problems toyota coils ever have is after they get warm...sometimes though they are DEAD and you'd have no continuity

Gamefreakgc 08-07-2013 09:39 AM

That's way too high of resistance for the new coil wire, that was most likely your problem. Keep the old one!

Might be worth checking your spark plug cables as well.

big bear 08-07-2013 10:46 AM

Put the old wires back on, minus #5 because the plug socket separated from the old wire when I took them apart.

She fired up !!

Oil pressure good, water temp good, battery charging, nothing leaking.
Let it idle for 15 minutes, burn off the Liquid Wrench and clear the exhaust of unburned fuel.

Lots of smoke out of the tail pipe for the first 10 min, then it went away.

She's got a miss, but it is untimed, valves seem loud, muffler sounds shot.

The loud valves worry me. Had a valve grind and adjustment done by a machine shop.

big bear 08-07-2013 11:21 AM

First return I've done from Rockauto, awesome.

I told them I had a bad coil wire in the plug wire pack I bought from them, they said keep the wires we'll refund your bank account.

Ordered a set of NGK plug wires.

Each NGK ignition wire is fitted with a positive locking, corrosion resistant Stainless Steel terminal end for tight fit and maximum resistance to vibration and separation. NGK Wire Sets are numbered for easy cylinder identification and coil wires are color coded for correct and easy installation. Alternate/OEM Part Number(s): TX12
http://www.rockauto.com/getimage/get...94-0&width=450
$50 + shipping.

Gsolo 08-07-2013 11:33 AM

awesome deal on the new wires

I'd be worried about the valves also...that can cause misfire.

Time it first, if still worried about valves tear into it and check valve clearance. Mistakes can happen adjusting valves

Gamefreakgc 08-07-2013 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by Gsolo (Post 52105635)
awesome deal on the new wires

I'd be worried about the valves also...that can cause misfire.

Time it first, if still worried about valves tear into it and check valve clearance. Mistakes can happen adjusting valves

Yeah, adjusting valves is a very, very tedious process. When I did it it took me a whole holiday weekend and some... probably about 20 - 25 hours all said and done. Of course, that's with all the other parts I replaced/cleaned/repaired while I had the engine torn apart.

The previous owner had it adjusted at one point and put WAY too big of a shim in. Probably was looking for a shortcut and instead of buying the correct shim, put another one in that was too big. The result? 10 psi compression and a terrible wobble to the engine (would shake 1-2 inches both ways at idle!).

The downside is that it's not worth tearing the engine apart to just to check... so you kinda just have to take their word for it. I've been burned by sloppy jobs by mechanics too many times so I always do my own work unless I am limited by tools. By the way... if you're looking for a good shop, I go to Quality Auto on Douglas. One of the mechanics there, Ying, used to be a Toyota mechanic and owns a Pickup with the 22RE. He's been very helpful for issues and problems that I haven't been able to do myself. They make mistakes sometimes (like all shops) but when they do they always correct them at no cost. Reasonably priced too. One time the manager gave me a discount of $50 off a $500 job (axle seal leak) just because they were running a coupon and I didn't have it. They even gave me a ride to pick it up!

big bear 08-10-2013 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by Gamefreakgc (Post 52105648)
Yeah, adjusting valves is a very, very tedious process. When I did it it took me a whole holiday weekend and some... probably about 20 - 25 hours all said and done. Of course, that's with all the other parts I replaced/cleaned/repaired while I had the engine torn apart.

The previous owner had it adjusted at one point and put WAY too big of a shim in. Probably was looking for a shortcut and instead of buying the correct shim, put another one in that was too big. The result? 10 psi compression and a terrible wobble to the engine (would shake 1-2 inches both ways at idle!).

The downside is that it's not worth tearing the engine apart to just to check... so you kinda just have to take their word for it. I've been burned by sloppy jobs by mechanics too many times so I always do my own work unless I am limited by tools. By the way... if you're looking for a good shop, I go to Quality Auto on Douglas. One of the mechanics there, Ying, used to be a Toyota mechanic and owns a Pickup with the 22RE. He's been very helpful for issues and problems that I haven't been able to do myself. They make mistakes sometimes (like all shops) but when they do they always correct them at no cost. Reasonably priced too. One time the manager gave me a discount of $50 off a $500 job (axle seal leak) just because they were running a coupon and I didn't have it. They even gave me a ride to pick it up!

Yea, working behind hack mechanics sucks.
If it's worth doing, do it RIGHT.


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