Would you buy a 3/4ton tundra in with a cat underhood?
01-20-2005, 02:29 PM
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Would you buy a 3/4ton tundra in with a cat underhood?
Been doing some dreaming...lol
Who would buy a tundra set up for heavy duty use that would be analogous to a 3/4 ton or so and have a Catapiller C7 (7.2L inline 6 turbocharged diesel)?
Keep in mind such an engine would be capable of
330bhp @ 2500rpm and have
860ftlbs @ 1450rpm!!
and the torque would only fall off to 725ftlbs at 2500rpm!!
I say it's time to write to toyota for some REAL diesel competition in the states!
Who would buy a tundra set up for heavy duty use that would be analogous to a 3/4 ton or so and have a Catapiller C7 (7.2L inline 6 turbocharged diesel)?
Keep in mind such an engine would be capable of
330bhp @ 2500rpm and have
860ftlbs @ 1450rpm!!
and the torque would only fall off to 725ftlbs at 2500rpm!!
I say it's time to write to toyota for some REAL diesel competition in the states!
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01-20-2005, 02:39 PM
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Some rumors with actual merit are that we'd have 3/4 ton and 1 ton Tundras in 07/08 here in the states, with either a larger V8 or a turbo diesel option, touting something like 400HP and 700-800lbs of torque. They're workin on it, hang in there... 
01-20-2005, 03:42 PM
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too small?? How do you figure that? It's the same size as the domestic offerings in half tons. And the domestic half tons are no smaller than their 3/4 and 1ton counterparts except for perhaps height but that doesnt really matter.
(we own a '94 chevy 6.5LTD K3500, '98 dodge 3500 with the cummins, and an '05 ford with the 6.0L powerjoke so Im used to full sized trucks... )
The chevy c/k has a nice look to it but that damn 6.5LTD is a joke, the dodge is just a POS with a SWEEET engine, and the FORD is just a fix or repair daily....
If toyota and cat teamed up I think we'd see the first diesel consumer truck that could reliably last at least 500,000 miles. The engine is rated by cat to last 1,000,000 miles, but I doubt many truck bodies would last that long....
(we own a '94 chevy 6.5LTD K3500, '98 dodge 3500 with the cummins, and an '05 ford with the 6.0L powerjoke so Im used to full sized trucks...
)The chevy c/k has a nice look to it but that damn 6.5LTD is a joke, the dodge is just a POS with a SWEEET engine, and the FORD is just a fix or repair daily....
If toyota and cat teamed up I think we'd see the first diesel consumer truck that could reliably last at least 500,000 miles. The engine is rated by cat to last 1,000,000 miles, but I doubt many truck bodies would last that long....
01-20-2005, 05:55 PM
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Why would anyone want such enourmous numbers for a non-commerical vehicle?
The new Cummins in the Dodge is rated at 600ft-lbs of torque and the average person does not and will never use all of that.
The new Cummins in the Dodge is rated at 600ft-lbs of torque and the average person does not and will never use all of that.
01-20-2005, 07:12 PM
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The first time you hook up to a 18,000lb goose neck and try to climb a 5% grade you'd not be so quick to say that....
The Ford we have now has 570 ftlbs and lemme tell you it isnt enough!!
Over on the diesel forums most of us are going nuts for more power no matter what diesel engine we start with...
The Ford we have now has 570 ftlbs and lemme tell you it isnt enough!!
Over on the diesel forums most of us are going nuts for more power no matter what diesel engine we start with...
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Toyota knows something about diesels. Think Hino. Think they build their own diesels for all sorts of places around the world. Think Toyota's big deep pockets that they can put into R & D of a solid contender. If Toyota puts a full size diesel truck into the fold I think the "Big 3" will probably crap their pants.
01-20-2005, 11:50 PM
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I would buy a toyota deseil truck. Then I turn to Banks performance add upgrade it. You can never have to much power. I hope by then the prices fall on Desiel though.
06-07-2005, 11:17 AM
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This would make me very happy because i am looking for a tow vehicle...not to mention it would just be plain bad a#s to have a big toy to compete with the others.
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[QUOTE=Bumpin' Yota]too small?? How do you figure that? It's the same size as the domestic offerings in half tons. And the domestic half tons are no smaller than their 3/4 and 1ton counterparts except for perhaps height but that doesnt really matter.]
???? Go park one of your full sized trucks next to one. The Tundra is the same size as a Dakota - they can call it 'full size' in their ad buzz all they want but it is NOT full size.
???? Go park one of your full sized trucks next to one. The Tundra is the same size as a Dakota - they can call it 'full size' in their ad buzz all they want but it is NOT full size.
Don't know how well it would sell though....
06-07-2005, 12:31 PM
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I would like a Ford F-250 but powered by a Cummins. Even if Toyota builds a diesel it wont be a solid front axle(like a Ford), something needed for a true heavy duty truck.
06-07-2005, 12:42 PM
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[QUOTE=Flamedx4]
The double cab Tundra is actually bigger than the other Tundra models. It's wider, taller, longer. It's the size of the domestic Ford, GM, (and German, Daimler Chrysler Dodge) trucks.
Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota
too small?? How do you figure that? It's the same size as the domestic offerings in half tons. And the domestic half tons are no smaller than their 3/4 and 1ton counterparts except for perhaps height but that doesnt really matter.]
???? Go park one of your full sized trucks next to one. The Tundra is the same size as a Dakota - they can call it 'full size' in their ad buzz all they want but it is NOT full size.
???? Go park one of your full sized trucks next to one. The Tundra is the same size as a Dakota - they can call it 'full size' in their ad buzz all they want but it is NOT full size.
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[QUOTE=02SE]
The double cab Tundra is actually bigger than the other Tundra models. It's wider, taller, longer. It's the size of the domestic Ford, GM, (and German, Daimler Chrysler Dodge) trucks.
Oh fer... Have you SEEN them? The DC uses the same windshields, dash, seats, tailgate, bumpers, grill etc as the other Tundras. Exactly how then can it be bigger. The DC is just a stretch Tundra, with a different interior layout. Go to a dealer and park them side by side and see for yourself. (And while you are at it park an F150 next to one...) Do you really think Toyota would have spent a hundred millions dollars to engineer an entirely new truck just to add the 4 door model, without taking the opportunity to change the appearance and upgrade the other models too? Or does it seem more likely they just retooled a cab? Economic stupidity is not the Japanese way....
BUT, I would like one in a diesel too!
edit : I give up - MY partner and I just went out to the parking lot and ran a tape across my 98 F150 (normally there is a new 05 F150 but he isn't here today) and a spankin new Tundra DC - there really isn't all that much difference. The F is bigger but only by about 3" width. The width of tire track is wider on the F too by about 4". All in all not as much as it seems when you sit inside - the Tundra is wayyyy smaller feeling inside. Mostly I think because the F150 floor is lower, so the floor-to-roof size is much bigger and when you sit in there it just seems a lot bigger. That few inches of width is noticeable though - I am a tall guy. All in all, though, I guess I will have to start calling the Tundra full size...
Originally Posted by Flamedx4
The double cab Tundra is actually bigger than the other Tundra models. It's wider, taller, longer. It's the size of the domestic Ford, GM, (and German, Daimler Chrysler Dodge) trucks.
Oh fer... Have you SEEN them? The DC uses the same windshields, dash, seats, tailgate, bumpers, grill etc as the other Tundras. Exactly how then can it be bigger. The DC is just a stretch Tundra, with a different interior layout. Go to a dealer and park them side by side and see for yourself. (And while you are at it park an F150 next to one...) Do you really think Toyota would have spent a hundred millions dollars to engineer an entirely new truck just to add the 4 door model, without taking the opportunity to change the appearance and upgrade the other models too? Or does it seem more likely they just retooled a cab? Economic stupidity is not the Japanese way....
BUT, I would like one in a diesel too!
edit : I give up - MY partner and I just went out to the parking lot and ran a tape across my 98 F150 (normally there is a new 05 F150 but he isn't here today) and a spankin new Tundra DC - there really isn't all that much difference. The F is bigger but only by about 3" width. The width of tire track is wider on the F too by about 4". All in all not as much as it seems when you sit inside - the Tundra is wayyyy smaller feeling inside. Mostly I think because the F150 floor is lower, so the floor-to-roof size is much bigger and when you sit in there it just seems a lot bigger. That few inches of width is noticeable though - I am a tall guy. All in all, though, I guess I will have to start calling the Tundra full size...
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[QUOTE=Flamedx4]
Oh fer... Have you SEEN them? The DC uses the same windshields, dash, seats, tailgate, bumpers, grill etc as the other Tundras. Exactly how then can it be bigger. The DC is just a stretch Tundra, with a different interior layout. Go to a dealer and park them side by side and see for yourself. (And while you are at it park an F150 next to one...) Do you really think Toyota would have spent a hundred millions dollars to engineer an entirely new truck just to add the 4 door model, without taking the opportunity to change the appearance and upgrade the other models too? Or does it seem more likely they just retooled a cab? Economic stupidity is not the Japanese way....
BUT, I would like one in a diesel too!
edit : I give up - MY partner and I just went out to the parking lot and ran a tape across my 98 F150 (normally there is a new 05 F150 but he isn't here today) and a spankin new Tundra DC - there really isn't all that much difference. The F is bigger but only by about 3" width. The width of tire track is wider on the F too by about 4". All in all not as much as it seems when you sit inside - the Tundra is wayyyy smaller feeling inside.
According to Toyota's own dimensional specs, the Double cabs ARE bigger in height, width, and length.
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2005/...specs_4x4.html Access cab 4x4
http://toyota.com/vehicles/2005/tundra/specs_dcab.html Double cab 4x4
Click on the links, then click on dimensions, and you will see that what I stated is correct. The double cabs are taller, wider, and longer.
Originally Posted by 02SE
Oh fer... Have you SEEN them? The DC uses the same windshields, dash, seats, tailgate, bumpers, grill etc as the other Tundras. Exactly how then can it be bigger. The DC is just a stretch Tundra, with a different interior layout. Go to a dealer and park them side by side and see for yourself. (And while you are at it park an F150 next to one...) Do you really think Toyota would have spent a hundred millions dollars to engineer an entirely new truck just to add the 4 door model, without taking the opportunity to change the appearance and upgrade the other models too? Or does it seem more likely they just retooled a cab? Economic stupidity is not the Japanese way....
BUT, I would like one in a diesel too!
edit : I give up - MY partner and I just went out to the parking lot and ran a tape across my 98 F150 (normally there is a new 05 F150 but he isn't here today) and a spankin new Tundra DC - there really isn't all that much difference. The F is bigger but only by about 3" width. The width of tire track is wider on the F too by about 4". All in all not as much as it seems when you sit inside - the Tundra is wayyyy smaller feeling inside.
According to Toyota's own dimensional specs, the Double cabs ARE bigger in height, width, and length.
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2005/...specs_4x4.html Access cab 4x4
http://toyota.com/vehicles/2005/tundra/specs_dcab.html Double cab 4x4
Click on the links, then click on dimensions, and you will see that what I stated is correct. The double cabs are taller, wider, and longer.
