Yukon

looking at getting the n91S and N86 shocks with the

882 front coils, and the 891 rears. And the diff drop.

I want the truck to sit level, I hate the stinkbug look.

I run with the spare tire in the stock spot, a few tools, a sub box, and a bike rack, so probably around 150 pounds in the back at all times. Except winter when Ill put a sandbag of hte same weight as the bike rack in the back. Then I put bikes on the rack alot, and am thinking of getting a highlift soon.

Do you think the 891's will be too harsh? Really i need somthing right in the middle of the 890s and the 891's, but dont we all.

Also will it sit more or less level with this set up?

Thanks

Godzilla

Searching 890 891
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f2/a...-891-a-144659/
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f2/h...e-help-186271/
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f2/o...up-q-s-187466/
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f2/4...arrier-180764/

FogRunner

Go with the 883s instead of the 882s. I have had both and the 882s SAG bad after a couple of months. The 883's are thicker and don't sag at all and IMHO give a really good ride. The 883s have a higher "spring rate" over the 882s. Also go with the 891s they won't sag as much as the 890s and they are not ruff riding at all. I just finished a 3000 mile trip last month after putting on a set of 883/891s and the ride was great.

Just be sure to get a extended length traction bar from Sonora steel if you use the 890s or 891s because the stock trac bar is too short and will push your rear axle to the side and cause your shocks to break at the top bracket.

sschaefer3

Just to keep accurate data here, since I was mentioned already.

Our front coil overs that are fully adjustable will give the following lift on the following years and support the following equipment.

You can also run them on a bone stock truck, both stock and modified have an outstanding on road ride and of course they compress really well off road which is all that matters with IFS.

1996 = 3.5"
1997 = 3.5"
1998 = 3.0"
1999 = 2.5"
2000 = 3.5"
2001 = 3.5"
2002 = 3.5"

Of course no CV issues and holding the following aftermarket hardware:

Shrockworks or ARB front bumper (100 pounds)
Warn M8000 Winch wioth cable (85 pounds)
Full BudBuilt Skids (150 pounds)

All that weight and still the full lift. Also adjusts for stock as well.

Now since I only post on here once every 6 months. What was all the time Ron spent worth? Time is money. If he would have bought our kit as he confessed to me he wanted to do originally but did not want to spend the extra money. Would he be ahead now? Is it a good value to buy twice?

I can give you the exact formual and answer for everything out there, these kits are so refined at this point, there is zero guessing on anything. You buy once and you are done.

Another interestign note is that we do not use the Tundra coil for lift. They are used because they are progressive sporings and have a thicker wire. All fo the lift is done with the shocks body, just like King, Icon, Sway-A-Way and all the others. A spring is a spring, the shock dictates the ride height. In the end it all comes down to the shocks. The foundation the entire unit is built off of.

jrock

can/should i install 890 coils and N86c shocks and run prior to replacing panhard bar with an adjustable one?

I have the extended brake line as well.

Ron Helmuth

[QUOTE=4Runner202020;50823845]the 891 springs are actually a little shorter than the 890 but they have a higher weight load capacity but without a lot of weight they will ride harsh!!! For what you have describe you want I would suggest the 881's and the 890's you might have a little rake which I like but if you don't you could get a toytec.com topplate spacer in the front to level it out. (end quote)

4runner2020's advice did ring true....

Had my lift on for several months as 881s front and 891s rears and he was dead on that the 891 set up was way too stiff for my normally unloaded vehicle.

With 500 lbs of rock in my back end-the 891s rode like a dream. But during normal everyday street driving I ended up hating every pothole I came across.

As you can see from my updated signature now-I am running the 890s in the rear, and more satisfied with my truck as a daily driver.

Thanks to CSL for wanting to swap out his 890 springs with me for my 891s and for doing 97% of the work to make the swap happen.

I felt like I had done my homework, but butt time behind the wheel quickly showed me that 891s were not the best choice.

Thanks to all who helped out-gave opinions. And I wanted to re-mention the help available on the Sonoran Steel website is very comprehensive for our 3rd gen 4Runners. Some day I hope to get one of their complete packages-and I have yet to hear or read of anyone ever dis-satisfied with their setups. Thanks Steve S. for answering all my questions and concerns.

Do I have the ultimate lift now?-probably not-but for me and my use of the vehicle it works just fine. I needed no diff drop, my CV boots have never shown any signs of leakage and the on and off road feel is truck like and yet still comfortable.

Can't say enough good things about the folks on this fine forum. It took a minute to get this thread going and actively discussed-but once we did I should have listened a little closer to the first reply....

scuba

Care to share where you got that info or saw that table?
I found this table.. But I can't do the conversions..
http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/tech_OME_coils.html
Thanks.

Thinking about going 883's on my single cab taco. I have manual hubs, and between bumper and skids on the nose I have 115lbs (no winch,yet). The 881's sagged out quick after a year of hard wheeling and DD. I've added 2 trim packers on each side but after just 2 trips they've sagged out some more..
Or.. Maybe I should just quit spending money on OME junk and buy some adjustable coilovers with a 650# spring..

sschaefer3

The one and only reason we use the very expensive Genuine Toyota TRD Coils is they do not sag over time. There are plenty of 2000 Model Year Tundras out here and I have yet to see a sagged out stock one even 10 years later.

115 is not a lot to support, we went to the 5100 in 2008 to support the new configuration at the time of:

Shrockworks: 110
Warn M8000: 75
Full BudBuilt Skids: 150

335 Pounds to support which our units will do. Now back to my cave for the next 6 months.

scuba

Thanks for the info Steve. Hope the cave is treating you well


Here's what I put together.. Found a site to convert the newton mm's..

880- 502in/lbs- 365mm's tall
881- 502in/lbs- 375mm's tall
882- 502in/lbs- 395mm's tall
883- 588in/lbs- 375mm's tall
884- 588in/lbs- 385mm's tall
885- 588in/lbs- 395mm's tall
886- 656in/lbs- 402mm's tall

85 PICKUP

Here is my experience with the OME lift, but I could be wrong. I run the 881's and TO spacer in the front and 890's in the rear.

To me the front feels fine, its the rear that gives it that harsher ride. But, aside from a small Delta gear box I am not running much weight in the back which is what the springs are intended to handle.

The OME kit is a good value, I paid $736 for coils, shocks, diff drop, and TO spacers. This also included shipping.

I like the idea of the SS kit, however I couldnt justify the additional cost for my old runner. Plus I still would have run the 890's in the rear as the LC coils are too tall for my liking as the rake doesnt appeal to me.

And Ron, it sounds like you want to bring the front end up but dont like the idea of spacers. I hear ya' on that one as I dont really either. However, I think its worth a try as the 1/4 one from Toytec (1/2" lift) are only $40 and dont require disassembling the strut assemby. Or just step up to the bigger ones and level out your truck. (3/4" will level the 881's with the 890's) I would do that before changing out the entire front suspension or going with a BL.

Ron Helmuth

thanks guys for some scientific type opinions and factoids going on here on revive a thread.Steve-always good to hear from the master.

85 pickup-thanks but I now have the 1" 4crawler.com body lift and for my needs I have the ultimate street and trail friendly setup. No real rake to speak of-just enough lift to have people notice and to clear the water crossings I rarely encounter.

scuba

Basically, I've realized it would be retarded for me to go with 882's.
The spring rate of 502 is retarded.

I do have a friend that has 883's on his 4Runner, said if I do the work I can swap struts for a day and see how she does...

brian2sun

I like my 883s on my runner (w/ ARB) a lot scuba. The ride is just a little bit stiff on the street when I'm at 35 psi, but it rides plush on the dirt aired down to like 15 psi.

scuba

Stiff on the street? Harsh ride?


Its a truck....



LOL
Thanks Brian.

Ron Helmuth

Revive a thread-shopping now for a friend's 01 Limited encountering butt sag. I am steering her towards OME 906 rear springs for their mild amount of lift.

Ran across this chart from our good friends at TRDPARTS4U.com

http://mrtoyotaparts.com/Scripts/pro...&sortField=sku

brian2sun

Hey Ron, you might want to add OME 861s for the rear. I just ordered up a set from Toytec so I'll let you know how I like them on a 4runner. They are a mild (I think light-medium duty front coil for an FJZ80 Landcruiser). Looks like they give about the same lift as LC 9 wrap coils (~5.5"), but they 220# coils so they'll support more weight for guys like me with 6-700 lbs of bumpers and armor. I'm hoping to sit ~1.5-2" taller than my 891s.

Ron Helmuth

thanks Brian but that would be too much lift for my friend's rig. She's not a hardcore off roader like us!

brian2sun

Oh ok. I meant if you wanted to add the 861s to the list of spring options on the original post on this thread. I think Toytec is going to add them to the options for a 4runner soon. I just bought a set so I'll give my feedback afterwards.

scuba

PPPPfffffftttt

I ended up going with 882's anyway. I like em.

4biker

If she doesn't want any lift, you may want to get some '99 springs for the rear. I have 881 front coils (no spacer) with 906 rears and it's perfectly level. 906's will put her 1-1.5 inches high in the rear after they settle. If she's okay with that, they are great rear springs. Good luck!