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The Hammers In Serious Trouble! Virtual Rally 3/12/08
Johnson Valley (The Hammers) OHV area is in serious trouble! The Marine Corps want to take over most, if not all of Johnson Valley as part of a massive expansion project. There is going to be a rally next Wednesday (3/12/08 on pirate4x4.com. I urge ALL of you, wether you have been, plan on going, or even if you dont ever plan on going to get on pirate tomorrow and let your VOICE BE HEARD!!!
Johnson Valley is the Mecca of 4 Wheeling on the West Coast. To lose it would be devastating not only to our sport but our industry. We are already losing record amounts of trails, to lose the most famous trail in the West would be very devastating!! I have never been to the Hammers myself but I have always wanted to go and I would be very upset if it was to be closed. Please, in the name of preserving our trails log on next Wednesday and help us fight their decision!! Write your representative: https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml The Virtual Rally Thread on PBB: Important Announcement! Rally For The Hammers! - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board
Originally Posted by PIRATE 4X4
Announcing the first ever, Pirate4x4.com: VIRTUAL RALLY FOR THE HAMMERS
Please read the following very carefully! We need your help to pull this off and make it effective. Any and all input is greatly appreciated and will be carefully listened to. First, let me be VERY clear. It does not look good for the Hammers. John Stewart for Cal4Wheel is working extremely hard on this with several other people and organizations, but they cannot do it all alone. Like never before, the OHV community needs to develop a grass-roots effort to show that we have strength in numbers and that we care about our trails being taken away from us. Here is the goal: In a four hour time frame pack Pirate with so many people the server fries and Pirate crashes. (OK, just kidding…but that would sound awesome on a press release! LOL!) All politicians care about is numbers. If you have ever taken a poly-sci class you may remember hearing that 1 letter from a person is seen as roughly equaling 300 votes. The greatest number of users ever logged into Pirate was 3,305 on 2/11/2008. The goal is to CRUSH that number and have all of those people post up in the Rally thread what the Hammers mean to them and to the OHV community. When the rally is over, we will lock the thread and fab-up ANOTHER press release to the powers that be, showing how many people attended this virtual rally, how many posts there were, and invite them to read the thread and our concerns if they did not attend. Here is the Plan: 1. We will issue a press release this Friday to politicians, media outlets, companies etc. announcing a virtual rally on Pirate4x4.com and invite them to come. 2. Lance will do a mass e-mail to ALL PBB members this Friday asking them to participate in the rally from 2-6 by posting their concerns in the thread. 3. We will come up with “sample” post to put in the thread to give people an idea of what we are looking for. (post them here please) Even people that have NEVER been to the Hammers need to post their concerns. This is all about showing how many of us there are and that we have a VOICE as a community. 4. The Rally will be on WEDNESDAY MARCH 12th from 2 to 6 pm Pacific Standard time. 5. Mustard Dog will start the “Rally” thread at 2pm that day. As of now, it will be in chit-chat, but we may be able to have it in all forums at once. 6. In the thread people will post their concerns about our trails being taken away, why the Hammers should remain open, pictures of them and their FAMILIES in the Hammers (appropriate ones!), etc. etc. People are encouraged to post multiple times. ALL CHIT-CHAT BULL AND INAPPRIOPRATE POSTS WILL BE DELETED! We plan on having important people read this thread. If we are not on our best behavior, the OHV community will look bad. 7. As stated above, after the rally another press-release will be issued showing the number of people attending the rally, the number of posts, data on how fast the thread grew etc… We will also invite those in power that did not attend to read the thread. What I am asking from all of you: 1. PLEASE: Get the word out! E-mail everyone you know, put something about it in your sig-line, go to other boards and sites and announce the rally, send out bulletins on Myspace etc. etc. 2. Write sample “posts” for people to see and post them here. Hopefully, they can type something up over the weekend and just cut and paste it on the day of the Rally. Will this Rally save the Hammers? I do not know. But if it shows politicians and land-managers that we are a force to reckon with because of our numbers, it may make them think twice. Why am I doing this if I have never been to the Hammers? During the ELDO fiasco last summer, I asked for help in chit-chat. People asked me, “Why should we help you guys? Where were YOU when OUR trails were being closed?” After I though about it, they were right. Where was I? It seems that we only fight for our own backyards. Not anymore. I promised the PBB in that thread I would fight route closures EVERYWHERE. So I am. In a few, I will post up what I plan to post in the rally thread on the 12th. A huge thanks to John Stewart, Del Albright, Randy Burelson, Cal4, BRC, and the other “Land-use” guys for their help, guidance and support. Many of them are working VERY hard behind the scenes on this issue. I would also like to thank Lance and Camo for letting us do this on their site. For all of those that e-mailed and PM’ed me on this: A huge thanks for your input and help. I am asking you to all step up in leadership roles in this. I am sure there are people I forgot to thank. I am sorry….it’s been a long day already! LOL!! It’s AWN like Donkey KONG! GET IT! Kurt Schneider The Friends of Eldorado National Forest. CHEERS AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATES!!! :beer: |
Im so sick of land for wheeling being taken away for any reason. Its sad to see and I hope my kids someday will be able to play somewhere. Ridiculous :pissed:
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Gotta train in order to protect the homeland.
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Bump, this requires your attention.:helo:
I believe that the military needs land for training, but just leave the Hammers alone. |
Originally Posted by stevrock
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Gotta train in order to protect the homeland.
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Bottom line here is that the govt, pretty much does what it wants. I've never been to the hammers, nor do I know where it is(northern California, that's it), and I don't have any plans to visit it in the near future, but I think it shoud remain open, and in the hands of the public.
The military has many other locations that they can train on, hell, if I had 1,000 acres to spare, I'd let em train on that, but being that i"m probably only a few hundred miles away from this, it affects me. What is wrong with using a closed military base for training purposes? |
we have enough training grounds in the south and south east parts of the US...
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Originally Posted by JohnnyRanger54
(Post 50772045)
we have enough training grounds in the south and south east parts of the US...
I too think it's a little crazy to just take away that much pristine OHV playground just because they can. I've never been to The Hammers either, but I truly enjoy my off-roading experiences and can sympathize with those at risk of losing their area. Also, I'd like to have the opportunity to go there in the future when my beast is up to the trip. I'll be showing my support at the Vrally for sure on the 12th. Andy |
I too think the military deserves the best training BUT there are plenty of places that can expand to that doesnt involve getting rid of places like JV. I dont have the exact quote on me but from the USMC's plan on their website, the expansion is to allow 3 battalions 36 hours of training as opposed to 2 battalions 28 hours of training (what they currently have).
Johnson Valley is located in Southern California and is largely renowned as the most hardcore/extreme trail on the West Coast. Thank you everyone who will participate. It will be a long time before I have the time nor the money to take a trip down to JV, but I hope when that time comes the Hammers will still be there. |
If they take away the land from the people, whose homeland are they protecting? Public land should be exactly that: public. I'd participate, but I don't think the US government would car what a Canadian has to say...
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Originally Posted by HuskyRunner
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If they take away the land from the people, whose homeland are they protecting? Public land should be exactly that: public. I'd participate, but I don't think the US government would car what a Canadian has to say...
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I especially like this part:
Why am I doing this if I have never been to the Hammers? During the ELDO fiasco last summer, I asked for help in chit-chat. People asked me, “Why should we help you guys? Where were YOU when OUR trails were being closed?” After I though about it, they were right. Where was I? It seems that we only fight for our own backyards. Not anymore. I promised the PBB in that thread I would fight route closures EVERYWHERE. So I am. ...and he is right. We all need to start thinking in terms of the whole community, not just our own immediate, local concerns. |
You can also add this to your sig:
SAVE THE HAMMERS Online Rally MARCH 12th 2pm-6pm PST. ON PBB. Be there and please post POSITIVE COMMENTS!! |
regretfully i cannot make it, due to work, but theyd better not close that trail. and for TRAINING purposes? they have ENOUGH 'training terrain' in NEVADA!!! its hard to find a place to 4x4 out here due to the thiefment taking everything for itself. i mean hell most of nevada that isnt populated is owned by the military.. sucks
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I don't understand.. what happened to "Support our troops"??!
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before 9/11 you COULD 4x4 on Ft. Lewis.. not the restricted parts but they have A LOT of land dedicated to Ft. Lewis and you can NO LONGER mess around out there. You cant go play on the forest roads and WAVE and bs with the troops. now you get arrested and fined hardcore.
SAD to say the least, it irrates the $^$%&^%$#%*U@#$$#@$#$% out of me to no end but thats the price we pay for others #%%$%^&$%%$ ups. ie terrorist. The people who trash the remaining trails and areas we are allow to play also SUCK and if i caught someone dumping trash on one my trials id probably be in jail for murder.. if they found the body. It sickens me. I cant make the rally that pisses me off to cuz i work. If I someonhow get there when it goes down i will post. It's already hard enough to find good places to wheel here. To take our woods away anywhere agravates me. |
Originally Posted by NPE701
(Post 50774311)
I don't understand.. what happened to "Support our troops"??!
I really don't see how this has a lot do with supporting troops or not supporting them. What could they possibly need that area for? The government already has to much power over the people. |
im an admin over on clubxterra.org
we are lending our support im gonna push for our sister sites (clubtitan/frontier/armada to join and help too) i only wish i had seen this earlier than today! |
Originally Posted by Ricer-X
(Post 50775643)
im an admin over on clubxterra.org
we are lending our support im gonna push for our sister sites (clubtitan/frontier/armada to join and help too) i only wish i had seen this earlier than today! |
tow this behind my runner and fight BACK! :banger:
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