Fake/Upside Down 3VZE Head Gaskets!
#1
Registered User
Thread Starter
Fake/Upside Down 3VZE Head Gaskets!
CAUTION: Please CAREFULLY read this ENTIRE thread from beginning to end. Otherwise, not only will the thread's title potentially mislead you, you will gain no understanding of very important details regarding the various designs/types/brands of 3VZ-E head gaskets currently being sold by many OE and aftermarket manufacturers. Though it may be a somewhat confusing read(even to me), pretty much all the way through(due to the need for numerous corrections for mistakes of thought made along the way), I promise you that you'll be SUPREMELY informed on the matter as a result of reading ALL of it. The information obtained may also help you to make your own decision as to which, if any, design/type/brand of 3VZ-E head gaskets you would like to have installed on your 3VZ-E. Since there are several designs/types/brands to choose from, and different reasons to choose/not choose each.
BE FORWARNED!!!
I recently purchased, off ebay(of course), these incorrectly designed look-alike/upside down/counterfeit head gaskets for an 88-95 3VZE. They were in a head gasket kit/set like these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/88-95...item2c58e9a5ad
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/88-95...item20b545f9b2
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyot...item4154e1c585
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Left-...item3a616b8dd4
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Right...item3cb366e675
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-K...item53e704f3c6
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-C...item53e761e749
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Full-...item53e3a75ec5
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyot...item4154efb8ed
If you compare them to the correct style, you'll easily notice what I'm refering to. Here's some I purchased a few days ago that are identical, in construction, to all the 3rd generation 3VZE head gasket designs currently distributed by true OE quality parts suppliers("engineered" by ENGNBLDR, thanks, and your welcome, Ted). They are made by D & J ROCK PRODUCTS, INC. as ROCK GASKET® part numbers HG95L & HG95R, and are equivalent to OEM part numbers 11115-65020 & 11116-65020, Fel-Pro part numbers 9815PT & 9728PT, and Beck/Arnley part numbers 035-1877 & 035-1876.
NO!!! YOU CAN NOT JUST FLIP THEM OVER!!!!
For one thing, they won't fit if you flip them over(tried). For another, the opposite side of the gasket is not the same. And the graphite/white silicone side must face the block.
The other side faces the head. It's the Slipperplate™ side. See below.
I don't even want to know whether or not they would work. I'm just happy I noticed the difference before I installed them!
So nows ya know......
BE FORWARNED!!!
I recently purchased, off ebay(of course), these incorrectly designed look-alike/upside down/counterfeit head gaskets for an 88-95 3VZE. They were in a head gasket kit/set like these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/88-95...item2c58e9a5ad
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/88-95...item20b545f9b2
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyot...item4154e1c585
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Left-...item3a616b8dd4
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Right...item3cb366e675
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-K...item53e704f3c6
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-C...item53e761e749
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Full-...item53e3a75ec5
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyot...item4154efb8ed
If you compare them to the correct style, you'll easily notice what I'm refering to. Here's some I purchased a few days ago that are identical, in construction, to all the 3rd generation 3VZE head gasket designs currently distributed by true OE quality parts suppliers("engineered" by ENGNBLDR, thanks, and your welcome, Ted). They are made by D & J ROCK PRODUCTS, INC. as ROCK GASKET® part numbers HG95L & HG95R, and are equivalent to OEM part numbers 11115-65020 & 11116-65020, Fel-Pro part numbers 9815PT & 9728PT, and Beck/Arnley part numbers 035-1877 & 035-1876.
NO!!! YOU CAN NOT JUST FLIP THEM OVER!!!!
For one thing, they won't fit if you flip them over(tried). For another, the opposite side of the gasket is not the same. And the graphite/white silicone side must face the block.
The other side faces the head. It's the Slipperplate™ side. See below.
I don't even want to know whether or not they would work. I'm just happy I noticed the difference before I installed them!
So nows ya know......
Last edited by MudHippy; 12-07-2012 at 07:32 AM.
#3
Registered User
Thread Starter
Thanks for the "heads-up", pardon the pun.
I, personally, have no intention on using them. They're being kept strictly for demonstration now. Sorry you had to learn that's all they're good for the hard way.
Better luck next time!
I, personally, have no intention on using them. They're being kept strictly for demonstration now. Sorry you had to learn that's all they're good for the hard way.
Better luck next time!
Last edited by MudHippy; 09-14-2009 at 10:51 AM.
#5
Contributing Member
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: maple ridge, British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 9,055
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes
on
5 Posts
you can see that the rock gaskets are just rebranded Fel-pro.
But I agree, the hg's are one thing I would never use aftermarket, not something I want to re-do...
But I agree, the hg's are one thing I would never use aftermarket, not something I want to re-do...
#6
Registered User
#7
Contributing Member
I dont think rock gaskets are made by felpro , that felpro # might just be a cross refrence number or replaces number. Rock just leaves the "replaces" word out for some weird reason.
Last edited by RMA; 09-14-2009 at 08:21 PM.
Trending Topics
#8
Contributing Member
Here are a couple pics of some 22re gaskets I have here.
THese people leave the word out.
Notice the word " Replaces " this is a ROL gasket
http://www.rolmfg.com/#
THese people leave the word out.
Notice the word " Replaces " this is a ROL gasket
http://www.rolmfg.com/#
#9
Registered User
#10
Registered User
Thread Starter
I have come upon a thread saying "Rockproducts"(same company that distributes ROCK GASKET)was one of the first companies to bring this latest style to the market. Pre-Toyota or Fel-Pro even. I'll see if I can dig that up.
Here ya be...https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116...61/#post861292
Last edited by MudHippy; 09-23-2009 at 02:00 PM.
#11
Registered User
Are these fake/upsidedown HGs?
I bought an ITM kit from napa the other day, just the top end. I would of gone Felpro but they wanted $260.
I was looking that this thread, https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116...askets-191393/ , and it got me kinda spooked.
Heres pics of what i have. Are they backwards/upside down?
I was looking that this thread, https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116...askets-191393/ , and it got me kinda spooked.
Heres pics of what i have. Are they backwards/upside down?
#12
Contributing Member
They do look like the ones in the other thread , Did you try them yet?
Wait what happened .. this is freaking me out...
Wait what happened .. this is freaking me out...
Last edited by RMA; 01-01-2010 at 12:27 PM.
#13
Registered User
I got these in a kit from Napa, Its made by ITM.
#15
Registered User
Thread Starter
Yes, they indeed are.
I recommend trashing those and going with the ones I used instead. http://www.store.partsdinosaur.com/page28.html
They're very high quality and you CAN'T beat $22 each!
I recommend trashing those and going with the ones I used instead. http://www.store.partsdinosaur.com/page28.html
They're very high quality and you CAN'T beat $22 each!
#16
Registered User
Yes, they indeed are.
I recommend trashing those and going with the ones I used instead. http://www.store.partsdinosaur.com/page28.html
They're very high quality and you CAN'T beat $22 each!
I recommend trashing those and going with the ones I used instead. http://www.store.partsdinosaur.com/page28.html
They're very high quality and you CAN'T beat $22 each!
#20
I used the same gaskets from Ebay also and have now got steam out the tailpipe, had to add water everyday. I had the heads pressure checked and they are not cracked and are flat. This time I bought a set of Fel-Pro gaskets but they are made the same as the Ebay ones. The graphite faces the head and the slipperplate faces the block. When I asked at the machine shop I was told a HG could go either way. Since they will only fit one way on this toyo 3.0 I can't believe that Fel-Pro also makes a bad HG.