MudHippy

CAUTION: Please CAREFULLY read this ENTIRE thread from beginning to end. Otherwise, not only will the thread's title potentially mislead you, you will gain no understanding of very important details regarding the various designs/types/brands of 3VZ-E head gaskets currently being sold by many OE and aftermarket manufacturers. Though it may be a somewhat confusing read(even to me), pretty much all the way through(due to the need for numerous corrections for mistakes of thought made along the way), I promise you that you'll be SUPREMELY informed on the matter as a result of reading ALL of it. The information obtained may also help you to make your own decision as to which, if any, design/type/brand of 3VZ-E head gaskets you would like to have installed on your 3VZ-E. Since there are several designs/types/brands to choose from, and different reasons to choose/not choose each.

BE FORWARNED!!!

I recently purchased, off ebay(of course), these incorrectly designed look-alike/upside down/counterfeit head gaskets for an 88-95 3VZE. They were in a head gasket kit/set like these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/88-95...item2c58e9a5ad

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/88-95...item20b545f9b2

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyot...item4154e1c585

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Left-...item3a616b8dd4

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Right...item3cb366e675

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-K...item53e704f3c6

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-C...item53e761e749

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Full-...item53e3a75ec5

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyot...item4154efb8ed




If you compare them to the correct style, you'll easily notice what I'm refering to. Here's some I purchased a few days ago that are identical, in construction, to all the 3rd generation 3VZE head gasket designs currently distributed by true OE quality parts suppliers("engineered" by ENGNBLDR, thanks, and your welcome, Ted). They are made by D & J ROCK PRODUCTS, INC. as ROCK GASKET® part numbers HG95L & HG95R, and are equivalent to OEM part numbers 11115-65020 & 11116-65020, Fel-Pro part numbers 9815PT & 9728PT, and Beck/Arnley part numbers 035-1877 & 035-1876.



NO!!! YOU CAN NOT JUST FLIP THEM OVER!!!!

For one thing, they won't fit if you flip them over(tried). For another, the opposite side of the gasket is not the same. And the graphite/white silicone side must face the block.

The other side faces the head. It's the Slipperplate™ side. See below.


I don't even want to know whether or not they would work. I'm just happy I noticed the difference before I installed them!

So nows ya know......

Robert m

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dont use those crappy evergreen gaskets! they were used in a remand 22re that i have in my truck and the head gasket blew in about 15k. throw them away and use either the rock or toyota gaskets.

MudHippy

Thanks for the "heads-up", pardon the pun.

I, personally, have no intention on using them. They're being kept strictly for demonstration now. Sorry you had to learn that's all they're good for the hard way.

Better luck next time!

Jay351

Damn... I wonder how many time bomb 3vze's are out there because of those...

Jay351

you can see that the rock gaskets are just rebranded Fel-pro.

But I agree, the hg's are one thing I would never use aftermarket, not something I want to re-do...

Dirt Driver

Are you guys talking about the spot on the Rock package that says "Fel Pro" followed by a part number?

RMA

I dont think rock gaskets are made by felpro , that felpro # might just be a cross refrence number or replaces number. Rock just leaves the "replaces" word out for some weird reason.

RMA

Here are a couple pics of some 22re gaskets I have here.

THese people leave the word out.

Notice the word " Replaces " this is a ROL gasket
http://www.rolmfg.com/#

Dirt Driver

That is exactly what I was thinking when I asked.

MudHippy

You guys could be right. I have no real way to say for sure who makes them. I haven't looked that far into it yet. It was only an assumption and I should have stated that. Sorry.I'll edit that into my previous post, if no one minds...

I have come upon a thread saying "Rockproducts"(same company that distributes ROCK GASKET)was one of the first companies to bring this latest style to the market. Pre-Toyota or Fel-Pro even. I'll see if I can dig that up.

Here ya be...https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116...61/#post861292

Tubbyfatty

I bought an ITM kit from napa the other day, just the top end. I would of gone Felpro but they wanted $260.

I was looking that this thread, https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116...askets-191393/ , and it got me kinda spooked.

Heres pics of what i have. Are they backwards/upside down?

RMA

They do look like the ones in the other thread , Did you try them yet?


Wait what happened .. this is freaking me out...

Tubbyfatty

I havent tried them out. They look backwards according to my friend who just got finished rebuilding his 3vz.

I got these in a kit from Napa, Its made by ITM.

#1Grunt

don't use those crappy carquest ATK gaskets either,I just redone mine and used OEM Toyota head gaskets

MudHippy

Yes, they indeed are.

I recommend trashing those and going with the ones I used instead. http://www.store.partsdinosaur.com/page28.html
They're very high quality and you CAN'T beat $22 each!

Tubbyfatty

Thank you for that link!!!! Ive heard rock gaskets are awesome.

clocklaw

I hope so, that is what my motor has.

skyratcalls

How much would OEM toyota head gasket for a 22re cost? I am sadly in the market.

rowdy235

The Fel-Pro Gasket set (as in HG plus intake, exhaust, etc.) was about $100 for my 82.

ceb5

I used the same gaskets from Ebay also and have now got steam out the tailpipe, had to add water everyday. I had the heads pressure checked and they are not cracked and are flat. This time I bought a set of Fel-Pro gaskets but they are made the same as the Ebay ones. The graphite faces the head and the slipperplate faces the block. When I asked at the machine shop I was told a HG could go either way. Since they will only fit one way on this toyo 3.0 I can't believe that Fel-Pro also makes a bad HG.