Sleepr71

Trying to plan out how I want to replace the tired 22RE in my 85 4x4 5-spd.It's smoking a little,sounds like the timing chain needs replacing(?may just be valves need adjusting,idk). I am seriously thinking of just re-building the 22RE...Re-built shortblock, home ported head,tri-y header,small(260-268) rv cam, and free-flowing 2.25 '' exhaust(already have). I also already have a "re-built" head(stock valves/springs) for a 22RE,like the reliability & fuel mileage of the 22RE, and absolutely want to keep the A/C,thus eliminating "most" swaps like a 7mge. What kind of realistic power& seat of the pants difference have you noticed? If it helps..my truck has the stock 4.1 gears,5-spd, and I seriously doubt that I'll ever run bigger than a 32x11.50 tire on this one(DD/long distance, all purpose hunting rig). Thanks,Sleepr71.

waskillywabbit

iTrader: (-1)

You go from 2 squirrels to 4 squirrel wapow.

:wabbit2:

Sleepr71

Wow..I didn't realize that so few mods. would DOUBLE my S.P. #'s. No wonder everybody wants to keep their 22RE! Seriously..I was hoping for 20-25 HORSE power/ft. lbs torque gain. Pipe dream I guess on a 22RE? Sleepr71

xxxtreme22r

which motor do you have in that truck tall deck or short deck, I think some of those 85's had either or. did the tall decks even come EFI, newb question I guess I should already know that. lol.

merfal

I did a EB 261 cam a rebuilt head with oversized valves and a full LCE exhaust when I rebuilt mine...I wish I had kept the money and done something else

Enprize

I'll let you know in a few days. I'm currently having a 22re engine built in Denver with an rv cm and headers so I can continue on to Ft Knox from Seattle dragging a 5x8 utility trailer with a BMW 1150 GS loaded on it. Decided to have it done there after pulling Elk mountain in second gear. the shop said I should get an additional ~30 hp with the mods. With 260,000 miles on the stock motor the crank was scored and the loss of power was due to flattened cam.

Sleepr71

Thanks for the opinions/experiences so far! I guess,sometimes the truth hurts. I'd prefer to make the right choice on powerplant the FIRST time around & spend $$$ on worthwile mods... Enprize, hopefully you can give some real world feedback after you break-in your rebuilt 22RE. Sleepr71.

peow130

better off just swapping a chevy 4.3, or a toyota 3.4..

sebastianholmes

because thats so simple and cost-friendly...

Greg_Canada

Ummm... 89+ intake, supra AFM, header, exhaust, head, cam, 130-140 crank hp.
add some higher compression pistons... and you can get more, just will need to run premium.
Want more power? a good tune, with a SMT-7, or standalone like an SDS or megasquirt...

olharleyman

I can say I have about 140-145 hp after a full rebuild everything new but connecting rods but they were shot peened and with my 35 x 12.5's I can roll about 80-85 till a hill then it falls off. I have a L.C.E. Pro street head ( if I did it again I would go with the engnbldr head same set up as L.C.E. half the price ) engnbldr 268 cam .20 over piston rings tri y header 2.25 to cat and 2.5 out with a flowmaster 40 5.29 rears 5 speed.
If I could have done it at the time (and I will do it some time soon) I would just do the 3.4 swap for just about the same cost as my complete rebuild , don't get me wrong I am very happy with my 22re but it is a work out to keep it rolling with the traffic at 75-85mph and there is not much more I can do to get any more out of her , but it is what it is and I am happy just not satisfied if ya know what I mean.

MudHippy

Save your money, get real squirrels instead. Then you'll know exactly how many you've got working for ya under the hood!

Sleepr71

Lol..the negativity. So,it sounds like there are gains to be had w/ the right parts combo..but yur just not going to make a 4 cyl push a ~4,000lb. 4x4 truck like a v6 or v8 will. I have seen a pro-built 22RE w/ aftermarket efi/turbo setup on a 2wd & it HAULS @$$! I'm guessing ~250-300hp as it runs low 8's through the 1/8 mile!

What is the main weakness on the 22R/RE's(from a power building standpoint)..poor head/port design & flow #'s? Poor flowing intakes/throttle bodies?The bore/stroke #'s look o.k. to me(almost square). I've seen 2.3 Fords make good power,yet remain torquey & very streetable(on 89 oct. gas).Sleepr71.

peow130

The main cons?
Well, heres the way you should look at things
The 22R is an engine with a stock output of roughly 100HP...
However, the 22R is capable of going through hell and back..
Now, it's not a powerful engine by any means and was never designed to be..
If you want a really fast truck or car, go buy a honda and rice it out.
If you want a cheap and fast car, go buy any car from the 70's with an SBC350 and build a 383 for under 2500..
but you'll never see the gains that those engines make from a 22r, without spending an extreme amount of money..

You can, however, make the 22R have a different delivery of it's available power through cams, and timing.
You can even go as far as to put a 20R head on a 22R block (not 22RE), and build the 20R head to have even larger flowing valves, a cam, etc etc. But you're not looking at a 300 HP engine..

tried4x2signN

Finally! Some common sense!

I wonder why they don't make foot-long Swiss Army knives?

Is it b/c there is no use for one? Or it'll be useless as a survival tool at that size?

I don't know?

Now the 22R... A "Survival knife" of a motor.. Not really a new motor, with new electronics that can be manipulated, or things like "Twin Cam" or, Variable Valve timing...

It just goes. Cave-man simple...

So, why would somebody want a foot-long Swiss Army knife, or a "more powerful" 22R again?


...find another engine.

Search a 7MG, 3Rz, 4.3 or a 5Vz swap.

PS, if anyone knows where I can find a foot-long Swiss Army knife, let me know...

sebastianholmes

holy negativity, the OP says he wants maybe 20-25 horse power, from what i read i would say he can do what he planned on for about $1200 probably less, and its pretty straightforward and easy. an engine costs at least $2000 and is alot more complicated and difficult. he never said he wants a 300 horsepower engine. all he wants is...

seems easily doable to me

benelli

Wow, this sure ain't my chevy.

I just rebuilt my 22r and should be dropping it in next weekend, I'll let you know how the power is. I can't compare to a stock engine because it didn't ran when I got it. I wonder how it'll feel vs my 400HP K10, but I got it for gas mileage - not to haul ass.

NARFALICIOUS

Possibility /what's needed for 205 Crank HP ?

Cam (which one, what profile ?)
Ported head
Ported intake
Supra MAF
Header
Exhaust
Higher compression (10.1, 10.5, 11.0, higher?)
Tuned


What else?

wyoming9

iTrader: (1)

You forgot bigger valves and perhaps bigger injectors depending on the cam.

Then I doubt you can get that horse power without forced induction

Till your done you will have about $ 4000 to 5000 in the engine

A stock 3.4 puts out more Horse power !!