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YodaPala 10-19-2011 05:47 AM

6 speed in a 4th gen?
 
Has anyone put a 6 speed from a tacoma or an FJ in a 4th gen 4Runner? Are the bellhousings the same for the V8 and V6?

blake.nemitz 10-19-2011 05:50 AM

i am also interested

xxxtreme22r 10-19-2011 06:02 AM

this would be double sweet if someone were to put it on a 1st or 2nd gen. I bet the 22r would scream with a 6 speed. :)

Someone call up advance adapters tell them to make a bell adapter. :great:

ravenlord 10-19-2011 06:11 AM

It is an R series transmission right? If so wouldn't any R series bellhousing bolt up to it?

Either way they would make a wicked transmission for a 7MGTE swap.

CitrusTheDragon 10-19-2011 06:57 AM

I think 1grfe would bed amazing in a 1st or 2nd gen plus the 6speed and after looking in all theory a taco tranny would work in the 4runner

stockwell45 10-19-2011 11:53 PM

It will bolt right up to a 3.4, I saw this demonstrated on another forum. Since the 3.0 is the same block, it can be done on 1st and 2nd gens as well. And yes, I have seen a writeup on toyota-4runner.org of someone successfully swaping the 6 speed into a 4th gen. I'll try to find the link...

Personally, I've been toying with the idea of instead of swapping the 5 speed tranny I got for my 4runner, sell it and try to find the 6 speed. Then set that up with an Atlas 4 speed transfer case with the manual shifters. That would be sweet.

blake.nemitz 10-20-2011 06:30 AM

is this 6 speed used behind any v-8's or share a bell somewhere. might be a good option for a uz swap if it can all bolt together. IF

CitrusTheDragon 10-20-2011 11:54 AM

Transmission gear ratios
 
I was really thinking if you could swap the R60/R61 6-speed into a truck or 4runner with a 22re it would be sick, so I did some research on what the different gear ratios are and what the different rpm shift points might be along with the speed. I used a final gear of 4.10 with a 28" tire(stock for an 80's truck/4runner)

G52&G54
First Gear: 3.93:1___15mph@2900rpm
Second Gear: 2.33:1___30mph@3439rpm
Third Gear: 1.45:1___45mph@3210rpm
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1___60mph@2952rpm
Fifth Gear: 0.85:1___75mph@3137rpm

W56
First Gear: 3.954:1___15mph@2915rpm
Second Gear: 2.14:1___30mph@3159rpm
Third Gear: 1.38:1___45mph@3055rpm
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1___60mph@2952rpm
Fifth Gear: 0.85:1___75mph@3137rpm

R150F
First Gear: 3.83:1___15mph@2827rpm
Second Gear: 2.06:1___30mph@3041rpm
Third Gear: 1.44:1___45mph@3188rpm
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1___60mph@2952rpm
Fifth Gear: 0.84:1___75mph@3100rpm

R151F
First Gear: 4.31:1___15mph@3181rpm
Second Gear: 2.33:1___25-30mph@2866-3439rpm
Third Gear: 1.44:1___45mph@3188rpm
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1___60mph@2952rpm
Fifth Gear: 0.84:1___75mph@3100rpm

R61F
First Gear: 4.17:1___15mph@3077rpm
Second Gear: 2.19:1___30mph@3232rpm
Third Gear: 1.49:1___45mph@3299rpm
Fourth Gear: 1.19:1___50-60mph@2927-3513rpm
Fifth Gear: 1.00:1___65-70mph@3198-3444rpm
Sixth Gear: 0.80:1___75-85mph@2952-3346rpm

If it where to work it would be really awesome to have the 6-speed manual bolted up behind the 3vz or 5vz. Mind you with 37s 5.29 in 6th @ 75mph 2882rpm compared to 3026(R151&R150) or 3062(w56):king:

xxxtreme22r 10-20-2011 12:16 PM

You forgot the G58. :great: And why just the 22re? Us Carb guys need some lovin too with our G52/G54's as well. :cry2:

CitrusTheDragon 10-20-2011 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by xxxtreme22r (Post 51806122)
You forgot the G58. :great: And why just the 22re? Us Carb guys need some lovin too with our G52/G54's as well. :cry2:

Didn't know what the other transmission were. If you want me to run numbers for other trans too I can do that... just give me the transmission and I will try to find the numbers but honestly the 6-speed swap can only be done with the 1grfe, 2grfe, and 5vzfe swaps

xxxtreme22r 10-20-2011 12:53 PM

na just bustin yur :booty: :D

Oh while I am thinking about it someone on I believe ihatemud did this swap in an FZJ80 but don't remember what engine he used. And the photos I believe were either moved or taken down.

CitrusTheDragon 10-20-2011 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by xxxtreme22r (Post 51806135)
na just bustin yur :booty: :D

I posted it for you already

CitrusTheDragon 10-20-2011 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by stockwell45 (Post 51805866)
It will bolt right up to a 3.4, I saw this demonstrated on another forum. Since the 3.0 is the same block, it can be done on 1st and 2nd gens as well. And yes, I have seen a writeup on toyota-4runner.org of someone successfully swaping the 6 speed into a 4th gen. I'll try to find the link...

Personally, I've been toying with the idea of instead of swapping the 5 speed tranny I got for my 4runner, sell it and try to find the 6 speed. Then set that up with an Atlas 4 speed transfer case with the manual shifters. That would be sweet.

If you can find that post I would love to read it

CitrusTheDragon 11-05-2011 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by stockwell45 (Post 51805866)
It will bolt right up to a 3.4, I saw this demonstrated on another forum. Since the 3.0 is the same block, it can be done on 1st and 2nd gens as well. And yes, I have seen a writeup on toyota-4runner.org of someone successfully swaping the 6 speed into a 4th gen. I'll try to find the link...

Personally, I've been toying with the idea of instead of swapping the 5 speed tranny I got for my 4runner, sell it and try to find the 6 speed. Then set that up with an Atlas 4 speed transfer case with the manual shifters. That would be sweet.

has anybody found this post, I can't seem to find it... I would love to do the research about it

kirkerik 12-27-2011 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by CitrusTheDragon (Post 51806100)
I was really thinking if you could swap the R60/R61 6-speed into a truck or 4runner with a 22re it would be sick, so I did some research on what the different gear ratios are and what the different rpm shift points might be along with the speed. I used a final gear of 4.10 with a 28" tire(stock for an 80's truck/4runner)

That sounds sweet for sure! anyone know what the deal is w/ the 22RE bell housing and R61F tranny compatibility.:)

seems like a custom bell housing is needed. No?

Did they go lefty on the later (2005+) transfer cases?

anyways it does not sound too hard to make it work, w/ the appropriate spline shaft and bolt patterns.:think:

advance adapters or marlin crawler?

RMA 12-27-2011 05:58 PM

i just recently picked up a 4.0 v6 and the matching 6 speed from a 2005 tacoma .. I really dont know much about them yet but i can tell you that the tranny wont just bolt up to the 3.0 or the 3.4 .. the tranny is massive with very unique bolt pattern , starter on the left slave bolted on the left also.. here is a pic of a 3.0 auto bell and the 6 speed ..
unless were talking about another 6 speed this one wont bolt up ..
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/t...e/104_3224.jpg
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/t...e/104_3225.jpg
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/t...e/104_3226.jpg

stockwell45 01-02-2012 08:12 AM

Well I guess that is solid proof.

Heres the thread I read back in the day I got my info from:

http://www.customtacos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31496

Maybe they didnt know what they were talking about back in 2004.

Are you gonna try to make some sort of adapter plate to make it fit RMA, or are you just gonna leave it on the 4.0?

Citrus, finally found the link. It was a 4th gen with a swapped in 6 speed, but the motor isn't a 4.0

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-ge...nual-swap.html

CitrusTheDragon 01-04-2012 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by stockwell45 (Post 51844717)
Well I guess that is solid proof.

Heres the thread I read back in the day I got my info from:

http://www.customtacos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31496

Maybe they didnt know what they were talking about back in 2004.

Are you gonna try to make some sort of adapter plate to make it fit RMA, or are you just gonna leave it on the 4.0?

Citrus, finally found the link. It was a 4th gen with a swapped in 6 speed, but the motor isn't a 4.0

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-ge...nual-swap.html

Thanks man I'll check it out

jeffe 01-04-2012 05:00 PM

So can this be done? Mounting a 6spd to a 5vz?

ThatGuy1295 01-04-2012 05:41 PM


R151F
First Gear: 4.31:1___15mph@3181rpm
Second Gear: 2.33:1___25-30mph@2866-3439rpm
Third Gear: 1.44:1___45mph@3188rpm
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1___60mph@2952rpm
Fifth Gear: 0.84:1___75mph@3137rpm

R61F
First Gear: 4.17:1___15mph@3077rpm
Second Gear: 2.19:1___30mph@3232rpm
Third Gear: 1.49:1___45mph@3299rpm
Fourth Gear: 1.19:1___50-60mph@2927-3513rpm
Fifth Gear: 1.00:1___65-70mph@3198-3444rpm
Sixth Gear: 0.80:1___75-85mph@2952-3346rpm
Taller first and second gears, And your overdrive gear is taller. Not so sure that would help you with a smaller motor. The problem is usually not being geared low enough, not the other way around, especially with big tires. :nono:


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