indica4r

i searched and didnt find anything. has anybody done a straigth six swap in a 2nd gen? pros cons? to me i think it would be a good idea. i was also thinking abot putting a honda h23 dohc 2.3l. i need sumn with a lil more stroke/trq...

sorry if its been covered.....

or school me on the real potential of the 22re bc i really dont know. i just know that i dont want some sloppy ass v6

Diesel_Freak

UH... So you're thinking about a straight six swap and the other option is a Honduh 4 banger (wich will NEVER make torque Honduh is all together against torque )??? Ok, the 22RE can be built to be a real screamer depending on how intense you want to get... Look at DOA Racing or LC Engineering for the 22RE of your dreams... as for a Straight Six, the Supra Motor is a good swap, but rather time consuming as far as I've read on here... The 4.2L Turbo DIesel would be the ultimate Swap, but it's a LONG and generaly largge motor so it really won't want to fit without ALOT of work...

So what exactly do you mean "sloppy ass v6" ??? I've never heard this term and I'm a bit curious as to what you mean. I persoanly have grown up with Jeep 4.0L's so it's hard to love v-6's (espescialy having owned a Trooper with a Chevy 2.hate litre v-6) but a Toyota 3.4L is a pretty balsy and fairly reliable engine... plus it's been done before so basicly every question you could have has been answered...

Cheers

Dave

F0RSAKEN

Actually, the H23 does make torque...165lbs worth if I remember correctly.

Personally, if I was going to do a motor swap, I would do the 1UZ-FE (Lexus 4.0 V8), but thats just me.

91_4x4runner

I second the Diesel swap... supposed to be incredibly good.

Glenn

You cannot put any Honda engine in there without MAJOR modifications. Front wheel drive transverse-mounted engines don't adapt easily to a vehicle that has a longitude-mounted engine and rear wheel drive.

kyle_22r

what, at 9000RPM?

the V6 has more torque than that off an idle. if it were me, i'd step up to the 3.4L V6 from the later 4runners/tacomas, but it sounds like he's over his head here.

marko3xl3

Yeah look at me! My engine can lift midget's at idle, NOW WHAT?!?!

Forget the honda buddy, it's a stupid idea. The more you think about it, the more stupid it becomes. TD swap = very hard. Supra swap = OK I guess. Turbo 22RE with 250HP = priceless.

IMO, you'll be best off messin' around with the 22RE if the Honduh's 16something torque would satisfy you, a modified 22RE would get you that and then some for much less work than let's say a Supra swap.

Flamedx4

A Jeep 4.0 with bellhousing will bolt right on to the R150, but starting with the 22re I dunno. You could use the available SBC adapters to put a Chev straight 6 in there, but if you were gonna go to all that trouble why not get a V8? Amazingly easy to do and it fits nice.

F0RSAKEN

For all you haters out there (I am by no means a Honda fan), the H23 is a non-VTEC motor, and doesnt have that high of a redline (7k I think?) compared to other honda motors. For a mid sized comuter car (lower model Prelude SI's) it has decent off-idle torque, roughly 140lbs off idle, which is much more than pretty much any other Honda motor and not too far off the 3vz-e considering the size difference. It still isnt a suitable motor for a truck, and as one of you mentioned, extremely difficult to put into one, but anything is possible with the right amount of money.

trythis

You cold maybe put in an old ford 200 in2. They were low compression and low idle. Heck put a tractor motor in there.

Bumpin' Yota

my 3vze makes more torque than that....at the rear wheels

my 3vze is approaching 300,000, when it gets there Im going to be torn as to what to do with her. 7mgte swap? LS2/LS1 swap? Rebuild the 3vze for balls to the walls performance? 496 rat swap? Or a lexus V8 swap?

F0RSAKEN

My FD makes ~280lbft at the rear wheels, so what? I wasnt COMPARING the H23 to anything, just pointing out that its not a gutless motor totally devoid of torque, like some of the people here seem to think, hell I dont even like the motor. As I stated in my first post, if I was going to do a swap (which I will be when my 3vz dies), I would go with a 1UZ-FE, but thats me.

DH6twinotter

If I was going to swap in a straight six, I would only go with toyota. You can swap in a 7mge (3.0), 7mgte (3.0 turbo), 2jzge (newer 3.0), 2jzgte (newer 3.0 twin turbo), 1jzgte (newer 2.5 single or twin turbo--JDM only), or the diesel mentioned earlier.

The cheapest I6 would probably be the 7mge (or older 5mge), but best bang for the buck would probably be the 7mgte. Just my opinion.

Other swaps to consider would be the 5vze (3.4 V6), the 1uzfe (4.0 32 valve lexus V8), 1KZ (4 banger) diesel. Personaly, I'm looking into a 7mgte or 1uzfe for a possible swap in the future.

Well, just my opinions on that.

celica

this is the swap I want to do when the 3.0 dies = the 1uzfe (4.0 32 valve lexus V8)

There is a guy on here with a 2nd gen with this in it & it is the bomb

Bumpin' Yota

Im not one to e-fight but,

first off loose the attitude, you haven't been here long enough to cop an attitude.

second off if you want to get into a pissing match, my other truck puts down 520ftlbs at the rear wheels.

third off I was stating that putting in the H23 into a 5000lb suv would be dumb from a torque standpoint alone. The 22re is a much better option or even the 2.7L I4 that toyota currently produces.

fourth chill out.

regularguy412

I happen to like the 3.0. It's no speed demon nor an economy engine. But it DOES have decent torque in a usable RPM range. The bore is oversquare-- that is: the bore is wider in diameter than the stroke is in length. That's what makes torque. It also lets the engine rev ( due to the short stroke). Oversquare engines then to put out more hp per cu. in. than the others. In engines like the H23, the bore is smaller than the stroke. It's made for fuel economy. Couple that with the headache of needing the honda-car computer to manage the engine and it's likely more than anyone wants to get into-- not to mention that the Honda ECM would prolly not run the electroinc transmission thats already in the Toyota.

The 3.0 is rated at 150 hp. Thats basically on a 180 cu. INCH engine. I once owned a 1979 Z28 Camaro with a 350 cu INCH engine and it was only rated at 178 hp. That's 1/2 hp per cu in. It was once figured that if you could get one HP per cu. in. AFTER engine mods, you were doin great -- for a streetable, normally aspirated engine. The 3.0 comes close to that, stock, @ .83 hp / cu in. That's pretty good, by my estimation.

Mike in AR

indica4r

sorry for striking the "honda nerve"... didnt know where to start so i thought id ask anyway. so now that we got that done with...

im a turbo guy anyway so the 22ret(?) or just turbo the 22re? the main reason why i mentioned the h23 is bc i know the potential and have fully built turbo h23.

i said sloppy bc i of the mpg/hp ratio. id rather have less hp and more mpg.

what does a 22ret go for? what can the 22re handle if i boosted it?

celica

a 22ret is hard to find and would probably need a rebuilt & the turbo rebuilt. Yes the 22re can handle it but you may need to do some mods. There are guys on here a lot more knowledgable about turboing. I think the handle of one of the is suprapeg

Do a search on "turbo" and you will find a ton of info.

phorensic

A 7mgte or 2jzgte would be two mighty fine swaps. Unless you are wealthy, though, you will probably have to stick to the former.

V6's are kind of a better fit for the chassis/engine bay though. Their CG is also further towards the center of the truck on an already nose-heavy platform. An all aluminum v-8 isn't a bad idea either, if you can keep the motor mounts from breaking at the block. LS1 is lighter than the 3vze or 5vzfe with a better CG than an I-6. Turbo I-6's are soooooo cool though, they have the potential for massive power increases, good bang for the buck.

Meh, just throwing things out here.

indica4r

yea i like the thought of a 2jzgte mmmmmmmmm powa.... one good thing is that my good freind is about toget out of wyotech with the next class. so we'll se if the school was worth it ...lol