Cebby

I've got PP rear coils on my rig. My understanding is that longer rear coils move the rear axle sideways since the panhard rod is no longer the right length to keep it centered.

Would this off center position of the rear axle cause my Runner not to track straight? Would this require constant corrections while driving and result in some uneven tire wear?

Or is this really just a negligible issue, no harm done, except maybe the driveshaft whacking the gas tank on max articulation?

My jump to 33's soon has made me think it's time to correct this if it's a problem.

asudan96Runner

Get one from Steve. Very solid and easy to deal with.

Dan

Cebby

I thought he was only making 3rd gen ones.

TDiddy

That's true, he only makes 3rd gen brackets, but the issues would be the same. I'm not sure about uneven tire wear, but it will help out with rubbing as demonstrated by Keisur's pics; which incidentally I think are also on Steve's site.

sschaefer3

A longer bar will re-center the axle but will not give you the extra articulation as the mounting point is still too high for the lift.

The axle only move 1/4" so the fact the the bar can droop further is really the main reason for the drop bracket.

Downey makes a great one for 2nd gens, saw Adrians in person.

sschaefer3

Oh yeah the Downey 3" bracket is really only a 2" drop.

Flygtenstein

I have been running better than 40k miles with assorted rear lift and drop brackets as well as wheeling it pretty good during that time, so I will reiterate what I often say on this.

First, Downey coils, no drop bracket, stock length Bilsteins. No issues at all. I don't recall the specific angle of the rod as that was some time ago, but there were no problems wheeling or on the street.

Then, Downey coils, longer rear shocks. Occassional issues with the driveshaft skid and gas tank getting friendly. No other issues.

Then, Downey coils and spacers and longer shocks still but now with a Downey drop bracket. Gas tank skid and driveshaft get really friendly now. Axle looks slightly offset to the passenger side at ride height. No problems on road.

Now Cruiser coils, same length long shocks, and a Downey bracket. I listed this separetely because I am getting more lift frmo the cruise coils. Gas tank, not skid, and driveshaft hump like rabbits. With trail gear, the axle is slightly off-set, that is 3+ inches of lift. No problems on the street.

I have noticed absolutely zero issues with not completely flat panhard angles on the street in more than 40k miles of driving. My issues have occurred with longer than stock shocks and wheeling.

As Steve said, my bracket is only 2". He paid close attention to it and didn't seem enthused about making one. He also did get to see and hear my tank and drivehsaft getting cozy.

Honestly, I don't think that adding a bracket is that huge a deal if you have less than 3" of lift and wheel it. The brackets is clearly the way to go instead of simply longer than so that pivot is moved.

Downey sells the bracket, it just comes with some spacers and stuff.

bikerunner

Custom bracket welded up for a 6pack of good beer. Sits perfectly level with Eibach springs (~2.5" lift). Haven't been off road w/ swaybar disconnected since I've had it done, but doesn't sit as crooked as it used to on level ground.

44Runner

not to mention a longer panhard rod will make your driveshaft and your gas tank become very friendly with one another...

RTdawgs

are you using a panhard anymore? modified?

44Runner

Nitro Hotpants

ive got a question regarding panhard rods...
the reason i ask is because my roommate just recently lifted his 2000 Isuzu Rodeo, and their rear suspension is practically the same as 2nd and 3rd Gen runners. and with his lift kit, they didnt include a drop bracket for the panhard, but rather a new bar that is bent. what is the benefit of this if at all? here is a pic to illustrate what im talking about...


im just curious if this will do away with the need to drop the bracket. does it increase flex? im just not exactly sure what the need for the bend is

-Casey

sschaefer3

That's a bolt on solution so you don't have to drive all the way to Arizona to get one installed.

Someone could make those for 3rd Gens but they would be a heck of alot more expensive than 75 bucks.

Nitro Hotpants

yea, good point.

I heard somewhere that the bend increases flex, but i dont see how that would work?

JHupp

bought the extended pnahard bar from Steve for my 3rd gen from Steve, and I love it, I noticed better handling on road, especially after taking bumps, it used to feel weird with my stock bar after the lift, but it seems to ride like stock, with stiffer springs of course. I would definately reccomend the extended bar, never tried the brackets though. I use mine as a DD so, thats where I notice the most difference, on road. Aside from that, I believe if the back axle is off a 1/4" to the right, wont the drive shaft and joints wear quicker too?

44Runner

not to any extent that you would ever worry about..

4Crawler

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I have recently started carrying a bolt-on 2nd gen panhard drop bracket:
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/ForSale/...anhardDropBrkt

Sized for a 4" drop, can be redrilled for less drop if needed:

cootees

I can vouch for it. I just put my bracket in from roger this past weekend and it is very stout. It will definately handle some punishment if needed and it worked out excellent with my lc coils.

hlpressley

I know this is a old thread guys but I was still wondering which one would be better for the LC coils in the rear? I understand that the bar gives more articulation but is it really that much? I guess what I am asking is should I buy the drop bracket or the adjustable drop bar from Steve??? Please tell me why one is better than the other.

BTW. Mine is actually a 97 but I think it is the same as the 2nd gen.

slosurfer

I have the 4crawler bracket. It works great with my cruiser coils. Everyonce in a while my driveshaft will scrape my gas tank skid, but it really is just enough to scrape the dirt off. That being said, I think there is a difference between the 2nd and third gen in this department.