need advice on my first 4x4 yota.
 

ight well im looking into buying this yota. Its a 1989 Toyota Pickup 4X4 ext. cab, white, 3vz-e, 5spd, i wanna say its an SR5 cuz it has all the works. I just went to go see it today and the guy only wants 1500 for it but there are some areas of concern. Which are.....

When the motor kicked over theres a loud knock coming from the motor.

When turn the steering wheel the power steering squeals.

Can you guys help????



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The power steering is a relatively simple fix so that would not concern me too much. The knock would however. My guess is that it may need a motor rebuild or a used replacement motor, which can sometimes be hard to come buy. It all depends on how much time and money you are looking to invest.

With 271K on the odometer and a knock, it's pretty clear the engine is out of life. Did the power steering pump have fluid? It may be dead too. I think the speedometer is broken too, as the needle position looks odd to me. Is the body free of rust and major dents? The interior looked sort of shabby. This looks like a great project truck for about $500-$1000, if free from significant body damage and not missing any parts.

Don't fall in love with trucks like this, pay what they are worth. You will have several thousand dollars in it before you can reliably take it on the road, and it would only be worth a few thousand. As it sits, it may be worth more to a junkyard.

Good luck with your search.

At least it's clean.


Really though,
1500 bucks isn't too bad, even if you had to do a motor swap. But I'll bet you can find a better deal (as in a truck that doesn't need a rebuild) if you look around.

I think you could do better than that for $1500. It is an SR5. Did it knock only while cranking? Or did it even start? I'm with GeorgiaDave on the speedo, that doesn't look right. Another thing to consider is that vehicles that have been sitting outside like that are prime nesting grounds for mice and rats- the rats are a real problem, as they are compelled to chew on everything. Look for droppings in the low spots on top of the motor. Only buy it if you can test drive it extensively and check all the electrical functions, rats like chewing on wires. Oh and run the heater at all positions after it's warmed up, to make sure there isn't a dead one in the ducts. If it does need a motor, go to kbb.com and check it's value, then subtract the cost of the needed major repairs, that will give you an amount for a decent offer and a good point to negoitate with.

The power steering squeel may just be the belt. I'd have a mechanic do a leak down test on the cylinders to see if that is ok but it sounds like you might have a bad crank bearing or crank.

the knock could simply be rod knock. Yank off the oil pan and see how the bearings look underneath. For $1500, you could throw another $500 into it and have a decent running trail rig.

If it is in need of a motor swap/rebuild, I would say $800 is more reasonable.

The motor will need to be rebuilt with that knock. If it's rust free...kinda looks that way from the pic.... it's only worth about $700 +/-. Atleast, they go for that around here in that kind of shape.

You're also looking at what kind of shape components are in. Fuel pump, tank, transmission, transfer case, brakes, VAF meter, fuel pressure regulator, vacuum hoses and switches, sensors, radiator, etc., etc. Give it a complete go-over and decide how much work you want to put into it. You could buy it but not be able to actually drive it for a while.

Get a good history on it with paper work and such.

If it were me, and the vehicle was maintained pretty well, and it's free from rust, I'd haggle the price starting at $700 and settle for no more than $850. Then, I'd get it home, rebuild (or even drop a 3.4 in!) and put some manual hubs on it. It's a good looking truck and it's a 5spd.

yea im gonna go up with a buddy of mine that is a great mechanic to find out the problem. im hoping that he could really drop his price. i would want this truck to be my daily driver, once i start with my new motor in my yota.

but as for rust there was none that i could see, didnt really get to check underneath, and also there were no mice droppings.
yea and i believe most likely that the speedo cable is broken!

How much do you guys think i should get it for?? cuz his not buggin from 1500, i didnt think it needed that much work. but lemme know what you guys think?

yea im not trying to do a motor swap, i mean i would love to but i dont have to money to.

You're right about that. Although, yanking the pan is a chore.

You could just get a sample of the oil and check it for particulates. If the bearings are going, there will be a copper tone to the oil.

yea ill hafta see if its that easy.

Okay, then a good look underneath. And get the history. A history may give you an idea of what all may need replacing in the near future. If it's running now with just a knock, it might be an easy rebuild.Then, you can take care of any aging components down the road.

He's not budging from that price? Hmmm....not at all? Buggers! Well, if everything else..drivetrain, etc....is in good shape and you have $1500, then it's probably worth a shot.. Even if you only have to put in another $1k (at most!) I suppose it's a pretty good deal. But, try to even get him down a couple hundred. Is he aware the motor needs rebuilding?

Another thought...for leverage...get a blue book value on it.

yea thats what im gonna do, and also having my buddie there to tell him the extent of the damage. i want it for at least a G. that seems the only problem with it.

and also the clutch pedal wont spring back up, it will just stay on the ground. could it just be that the spring is broken that would bring the clutch pedal back up?

also KBB.com wont even give me a price for poor all it says N/A have someone appraise it.

Call a friendly dealership, shoes. They should give you a value. If not, I'll give the dealer here a call. I'm on real friendly terms with them.

Look at the pedal assembly and the bracket. It may be as simple as a spring.

that seems a little much for what kinda shape the truck is in.
If it looks in that bad of shape you can pretty much guess how the truck was taken care of.

Personally I would pass on that one.
Looks like you would need an engine rebuild and probibly a clutch right off the bat, but perhaps the mc or slave is gone or pedal is cracked.

I would save the money and find another one.

Pass.

If it was a 22RE, maybe. But with gas prices what they are, there's no reason to accept a marginal deal on a 3VZE gas hog.

Yeah, pass on that one. It does sound like it needs some work.

There are a lot of Toyota's out there for sale for that kind of money.

For example:
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/car/369237056.html

I know it's $1000 more (and a pretty long drive), and it's not a P/U, but it's got a 22RE and it's in great shape. These kinds of trucks (4Runners and P/U's) are what you should look for IMO.

There are really good deals out there, just be patient and as stated before, don't fall in love with the truck.

a truck is like a woman. u don't marry the first one u test drive. most have baggage u don't know about. and the previous owner probably rode the hell out of it. take it for a spin, if u can live with the problems get it cheaper. if not find one better if more expensive. either way you will spend lots of money and feel satisfied once a week. just my .02 my fathers wisdom to all his sons

Wow! Wish I had $2500. That's in my neighborhood.

Ugh...yeah, shoes. Look into shipping prices, man. I'm having a vehicle shipped from Texas to Ark. for $800. This '86 is a nice vehicle you'd be real happy with, I'm sure. If not, I'd gladly accept it for an early Christmas present.:nerd:

Look at it this way:

I paid 3500 for my 87 Runner with, well, who knows how many miles. You could buy this Runner (from the CraigsList link), have it shipped for 500-800 bucks, and it's got a killer sound system (from what the description says). Looks like very little rust, and still spend less than I did on mine. Which by the way, I drove 8 hours round trip to buy.

perhaps he wants the 3vze and not a 22re?

Way overpriced for something that has a dead engine that is a crappy engine even in good shape.

Pass.

:guitar:

keep shopping. No telling what kind of shape the diff's, tranny and transfer case are in. With 4x4 it is a crap shoot, unless you know the history. There are plenty of deals out there. Keep looking, you will find one.

Your 4x2 is a 3VZE V6 right? If so swap it over if you can.

My advice- don't buy a vehicle that needs work if you can't do it yourself. If you have to ask why the clutch pedal isn't returning you would probably be in over your head. Sorry if that sounds harsh but I'm just giving it to you straight! :) If you have a mechanic that you trust then by all means have him look at it and listen to his opinion. But like I said you need to sutract repair costs from KBB value. If the website gives a fair value just take 15% off that.

Jesus christ...why going insulting the mans intelligence? A clutch is not a big thing. He's already done work on his own motor, which is complicated enough. I'll bet he could figure out a clutch real quick.

The word will be soon enough, but if there's no rust at the body chances are there's little to no rust on the frame...which gives something pretty farkin' solid to build on. It's an '89 Toyota truck guys. Unless it's really been beat to hell...and it doesn't look that way....I'll bet the drivetrain is just fine. A little investigating is all it will take. Any used vehicle anyone buys is gonna need some work. I know I've put more money than what it would cost for him to put a brand new motor in into the two 4rnrs I own sans any motor rebuild...just to get them road worthy. Yeah, $1500 is excessive, but I paid $2500 for an '86 that's a rust bucket. Am I sorry I did it, fark no! It's taken a few years, but I've got a solid little mf'r. Plenty of folks have rebuilt a 3vze with good results. (TNRabbit comes to mind. Ask him if he's sorry. I think not.) So what if he has to dump another $1500 even to get a good truck. It's a Yota...and built by him! And I'll bet he could do it.

thanks thooks for standing up to me. and yes my yota right now has a 3vz-e. I dont want to swap my motor in my yota into this one, i would just want to fix the one in it. but im gonna still look around to see what else is out there. But im gonna look at it again but its gonna stay there for a while, the seller said its not going anywhere.

i took some of your guys advice and found one way out of state. this one is nice it has all the same features but has rust issues on the bed. tell me if this is a good find or just keep looking http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/car/365075848.html

It runs, no rust, clean, good price. It is MUCH better then what you were originally looking at.

It has some minor rust but nothing that couldnt be fixed easily.
worse comes to worse, go to a junkyard and cut the panels out of a junker and get them welded on, paint , new bumper and youre good! :hillbill:

Oooo...hey! One that runs! Sounds pretty good. The person didn't screw around on parts, either. It's a deal.

does anyone live in minneapolis? if anyone does could they do me a big favor and take a look at it! also how much does it cost for shipping vehicles?

Minnesota?! Holy crap...that is way out of state. I live in Arkansas, otherwise I'd look at it for ya. As for shipping, I don't know. I could do a little investigating, I just don't how it all works. The folks shipping my wife a vehicle went through a broker. It's coming from Texas for $800....broker fee included.

My father in-law bought my wife an 89 Pickup before we got married and only paid $2500 (was only a year ago), and the truck is in perfect shape. I have had offers to buy it that where over $5000 and turned them down. My advise is there are deals out there to be found, just keep looking and you will find it. Like my 86 pickup I bought for $400 that needed a new engine. I picked up a built 22r for $1000 and dropped it in so I only have $1400 in a good running truck.

yea these truck are hard to find for a good price, mostly all of them are costin over 5Gs. i found out the price of shipping also it was gonna be at least a G. Thanks thook for the thought.

my throwdown is this. we're talkin bout shoes guys. he can handle whatever happens. lol.

shoes, srsly keep lookin. even drive around town some with ur eyes out. i found 2 4x4 yotas, one with the 3.4 and one with the 22re, and pretty low mileage, semi cheap, but of course too expensive for me to buy and pay more insurance on.

thats just drivin around. course it was nice cause they were right across the street from each other and on my way to work, but its all bout keepin an eye out.

good luck man. and if u find one, buy it, make it rly awesome, then dont like it anymore.... hehehe.

thanks that prolly what im gonna have to do.