swerks

I have an 86 turbo 4Runner with 186000 mi. running fairly well right now. The problem is, I have leaks in the rear main engine seal and the timing cover as well as the oil pan. I am also burning oil in two of my cylinders. The dealer wants over $3000 to make this all right (LOL) Do I rebuild?? Do I drop in remanufactured?? Could I drop in a standard 22re. For now I will just drive it but what are some of your thoughts and opinions on what I should do????
Don't worry taking it to the dealer is not an option:pat:

ae86MOmo

My friend bought one, and it needed help and he swapped in a 22r. I ended up buying it from him and aside from some OTHER issues, it seems to be fine. I even considered looking for a diesel and trying to make a bio-diesel turbo 4runner.

22rs can be had for around 1k under 2k for sure. My advice, hold onto the manifold and turbo if you can, and one day try and rebuild it. My friend when he did it, was poor and ended up trading w/ a Toyota guy here in town (specializes in nothing but Toyotas) and getting some of the parts he needed.

22r is solid and reliable for sure. I'd love to put another turbo motor in it at some point.


MOmo

dcg9381

Oil leaks on the timing cover and oil pan are trivial and can be replaced very inexpensively.. Labor may be a few hours.

Rear main seal is much harder, as it requires transmission to be pulled (do it when you do the oil pan, as the pan has to come off too).

Why do you think you need a rebuild? You need to do a compression test OR a leak down test. Post the results. You may just have the oil leak blues!

Only other item I'd recommend is a new timing chain and guides. This could be done if you fix the front timing cover.

I've got a 22RE that had over 200k on it. It had 162-164 psi on all 4 cylinders.. With a good timing chain, no reason why it wouldn't make it to 250 or 300k.


You can't drop in a standard 22RE without replacing the ECU also... Ideally you'd use the 22RE wiring harness, as it actually supports more signals than the 22RTE version. It's not a small job.


I don't know if you can actually get a reman'd 22RTE.. Rebuild wise, it shouldn't cost much more - if any more than a standard 22RE.

toyota_mdt_tech

swerks

hey man I cant afford those prices

dcg9381

I can't afford to pay $90/hr to some kid making $20/hr to work on my junk either..

ae86MOmo

Great time to DIY! I am trying to do as much as I can. Thankfully I know people who ARE toyota trained or have experience and doing certain tasks, Ican help and learn.


MOmo

swerks

87 4Runner (SR5 Turbo w/o the Turbo)
hey, Momo what does this mean ??

pruney81

Not to sound like an asshole but it seems pretty self explanatory to me, also if you read his above post you will understand

swerks

I get it now:pat: I found a remanufactured engine from JER. $1500 any one use these guys?

swerks

any other remanufacturer recomendations???

dcg9381

It's about the same as rebuilding a 22RE - talk to your local machine shop.

pruney81

www.orientengine.com

toyota_mdt_tech

Well, here is something to consider. Its not how much you pay an hour, its how much you can get for an hours labor. I'd be willing to bet if you have a runnability problem, some glitch etc, you'd get a lot quicker and lower cost (dont want to use the word cheap, none of us want cheap) than an independent with a lower hourly rate. I've seen it so many times. Many times, they end up having it towed to us, after they spent days on it, but maybe charged the customer only for 3 hours only because they were unable to fix it. The independent said "you'll need to take it to the dealer" and you'd be suprised, once I know the conditions and circumstances of the glitch, I can probably get a real good idea where to go. See, we've probably seen this problem hundreds of times already and know the exact fix. Not to mention, the valuable resources we have acces too, ie all TSB's all factory repaim manuals, combined Toyota tech knowledge, and in my store, the top 8 have 191 years of combined expereince! And all those combined years are at "at that store" not prior from a previous employer etc. If you counted that, its much more. Now if you want to DIY, no problem. I get calls all the time from DIY'r at work and always help them out.

dcg9381

I don't dismiss the toyota tech's experience at all.. I just think that you guys should get paid better. However, you don't know who is working on the vehicle - it the job of the "service advisor" to provide a barrier... I mean interface with the customer..

The #1 thing that irks me about mechanics:
Guessing with my money in regard to fixing an issue.
If you don't know what it is, say so... Don't replace part A, replace part B, replace part C, replace part D until you get it right...
Course, part D was the problem. A-C were just collateral damage to the wallet.

toyota_mdt_tech

Cool. But this is also where an independent shop is at a disadvantage. We have an "outside parts dept" sometimes know as a "used car lot" and we can "try components" to confirm a problem component from a donor vehicle. Someting most independent shops cant. Much easier on the wallet as we replace only whats wrong. If we dont fix it, you dont pay for it and you dont pay for anything it doesnt need. Now if you have a runnability problem, have plugs that are so worn out and the gap is .120" of an inch, we like to replace items like that to eliminate an area that could easily be the problem, but if it turns out not to be the problem, its not like they werent needed anyway. If you avoid the obvious like this, you can spend a bunch of time looking elsewhere, when this was the problem all along.

CyMoN

after my dealings with a ford dealer ship I will not go to a dealer hell I won't take my truck to anyone.
when I was younger I used to pay people to fix my trucks.
NOT anymore I do it myself.