dub tek

Title say it
Im looking for some quick interchange help!!..


Can a 22rte Bellhousing be used with W56 flywheel/starter setup?

Or must I match the flywheel/clutch to the bell housing so I get starter contact with ring gear??



I ask cause I plan to use turbo bell with W56 tranz in my 88'extra using a vw TDI swap
And I have the vw pattern drilled into w56 flywheel
I just dont think the starter is gona get the ring gear....................

aztoyman

I put a R151F from a 22RET in my 88 that originally had a W56B.

I used my original clutch, flywheel, TO bearing, fork, slave and starter. It all bolted right up with no problems.

The 22RET bell housing will NOT work with the W56 trans though. The engine side bolts to a 22RE but the trans side fits the R series V6 transmissions. NOT the W56.

dub tek

I dont have the entire R151F just the bell housing.......

Good to know I can keep my clutching assembly


I have been seeing (Or at least I had thought I was seeing)
People using 22rte Bell housings and swapping them ONTO W56 boxes...
This results in a LONGER drive line for us TDI swap guys...


Maybe Ill make my life easy and get a complete R151F and move along....

aztoyman

R151F's are getting hard to find. If you can't find one you have the option of using an early (pre 95) R150F from a 3.0 V6.

The 22RET bell housing WILL fit that trans and you can still use your clutch and starter.

BUT............You will need an adapter to use your gear drive T-case.

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AZTOY

When u did the R151F swap
Did you use the transfer case too?
EVERYTHING was direct swap?

Front+Rear Drive Shaft Patterns Matched, speedo cable, everything?

If its that easy
I might just suck it up and swap a complete assembly in it!!!

dub tek

This I dont want....

Id prefer to do tranz/TCase and ALL!!!

aztoyman

Trans bolted right up to my 22RE using my original clutch, starter, flywheel etc.

I got a T-case with the trans which was good because it needs to be 23 spline and they are forward shift so my shifter location changed. It is about 3 inches forward of stock. So only mods I had to do were for the shifter location. I didn't get a trans shifter with it. I couldn't find one from an R151F so I got a used R150F shifter from Marlin Crawler. It bolted right up but the base had to be flipped backwards.

Everything else fit. Same drive shafts, cross member, speedo cable, everything.

I saved my original 21 spline top shift T-case from my W56B for my recent dual case upgrade.

If you cant find a T-case, you can convert yours and make it work. You would need a 23 spline input gear and the forward shift levers. All interchangeable.

aztoyman

The R151F is essentially an R150F with a different Bell housing and tail housing. I built a hybrid using these two parts on a 94 3.0 trans.

The main case and guts are the same except the 1st and 2nd gear ratios. I hated the super low gears on the street so I went to a more street friendly gear ratio.

I used the bell housing to bolt it to my 22RE and the tail housing so I could keep my gear drive cases. I should have pics.

aztoyman

Here's my W56B alongside my R151F

aztoyman

I'll be glad to post up more pics or answer any questions later.

Worked all night and need to get some sleep. Straight graveyard shift.

I have pics of making a twin stick using factory parts and pics of my hybrid build. Just let me know if you want to see them.

dub tek

This is a total >> BONUS!!!!


This seams easy enough if Im missing these parts!!




I assume the 23 spline adapter your talking about is >>> THIS ??

I have a local with a complete R151F I can get for $75



OK
I did find a ratio chart and DO see the 1+2 of the R151F are MUCH shorter then the R150F from the V6 truck!!! Glad to confirm at street level!!!
This R150F gearing IS something I must also have seeing the diesel swap RPM games




Are you talking about >>> THIS from TG??

SO let me try and make sense of all this

22RTE Bellhousing > R150F GearBox > TG Adapter Plate > 23 Spline gear > Gear Drive Tcase > TG dual plate > Second Tcase > Tail Housing...

My questions are
#1 Am I correct with the adaptor you mentioned for V6>gear driven case??
#2 The FRONT Tcase needs What shifter?? Forward OR Top?
#3 The Rear Case MUST BE TOP SHIFT?
#4 What Tail Housing? I assume to match the rearward most TCase?


IF the answer to #1 is YES
This leads me to a second Question!!! > IS it possible to swap ONLY the 1-2 gears from the 150 INTO the 151 and NOT need the V6>Gear drive tcase adapter??

IF its possible to swap gears VS buying that $350 plate
Im ALL about it!!!





I have a hard time finding threads with pics that work
ANYTHING you can post would really help me a ton!!

The TWIN STICK with factor parts is also something Im all about trying!
PICS!!! I should have more then enough left overs to make it happen!!






AZYOTAMAN gets a HUGE thumbs UP for trying to help out
Thanks man
Really appreciate it!!!
~Tek

dub tek

Heres what Im working with so far





^^ Thats an asian clutch kit (Said 1200lb on label) Paid $90 for it new It seamed like a good deal!!

Also in the pic
ACME adapter plate Vw TDI > 22re
My TG dual case adapter W/21spline gear.. (top shift installed)




The Turbo Bell housing will be here monday
Im going to get that R151F asap

Looks like I need the 23spline gear for the TGDual adapter

And to read on the 1-2 gear swap OR if Im forced into that V6 adapter...

aztoyman

Yes to your questions regarding the V6 adapter and the 23 spline input gear.

If you get that R151F, which you better for $75, you don't need the V6 adapter. The tail housing may be the wrong term. The section of trans housing with the shifters, behind the iron center plate. On the 151 it fits the gear drive cases. On the 150, it fits the chain type cases. By the way, I just sold my Turbo bell housing for $300.

The forward case or crawl box can be either forward shift or top shift. The rear case must be a top shift.

I don't think you can use your 21 spline adapter. You will need 23 spline in both cases.

I have no experience with the VW part of this. I used this setup with a 22RE.

Yes you can swap just the gears. It's the whole cluster. I did it and have pics.

The section of trans behind the bell housing and up to the iron or steel center section is interchangeable between the R151F and R150F. Only the gear ratios are different. This is on a pre 1995 3.0 V6 trans. The later ones are different.

I'm going to scrounge up some pics for you.

aztoyman

The twin stick thing I mentioned only works on a single case. I basically used one forward shift fork and put the shifter in the trans housing and one top shift fork with a shifter in the t-case.

aztoyman

Here is the guts. The entire clusters must be swapped to change ratios. The easiest thing to do if you have both transmissions is to just swap the housings.



The housing on the right is the same for both transmissions. The one on the left with the shifter holes and the bell housing is what needs to be swapped if you don't want to press stuff apart to swap gear ratios.

aztoyman

One thing I don't remember is if I had to swap the shift rails or not. Either way, they can be swapped.

aztoyman

Here's what I'm running now since I did my 3.4 swap and dual cases. I chose to run Davez triple shifters. Far enough forward to have a console or bench seat and far enough behind the trans shifter for clearance. Also have Marlin's short throw trans shifter because my trans shifter is so far forward with the 3.4 swap.





I had the option of putting the crawl box shifter where the TG cover is or where the triples are and have a twin stick at the rear case.

aztoyman

Home built trans tunnel cover and shift boots.

dub tek

My local has a R150F from an 89 V6 truck
I have the 151F bellhousing ONLY
SO From the sounds of it I need 1 of 2 things to make this all BOLT up externally
(The Rear Case half from a R151F "turbo tranz" OR the V6 case adapter from TG)
AND 2 of those 23 spline adapters to make this all SPLINE up internally


Id prefer the OE case half personally.........
Im sure thats going to be easy to find too...................





Yea Im OUT on this
However you get props for making it happen DIY style




THIS is the plan!!!




ALL of this is awesome info!!

Didnt know about that daveZ kit till today!
Thats a super trick little kit!!



Your cover idea is also lookn spot on man!!
Good stuff

aztoyman

Marlin and Inchworm Gear and maybe others also sell the V6 adapter and 23 spline input gears. You have options there. Advance Adapters may too.

The R151F rear case half would save you from getting the V6 adapter plate but you MAY need the shifting parts too. That's the part I didn't remember. Having the whole R151F would be ideal.

I did this on a 22RE. I'm not sure how the clutch will work out with an adapter plate between your trans and a VW engine. Make sure you're OK here.

Another thing I didn't consider when I did my 3.4 swap was having to move things forward. The 3.4 exhaust loops over the bell housing behind the heads and I had to move everything forward 3 inches for firewall clearance. You saw where my shifter ended up under the dash. Had to get a V6 crossmember also because of the move.

I am not familiar with the VW swap. Just thought I'd mention the possibility of having to move the trans forward or rearward.

What side does the exhaust come down? Will it clear the clutch fork and slave and fuel lines? It's the little stuff that gets you.