bruzer1123

Alright, I am coming to my wit's end so I thought I would post and see what you folks suggest. I'll give some background first.

Heard a rattle and ignored it for as long as I could...removed valve cover and realized driver's guide was broken therefore I knew I would need to do the timing chain. Ordered the full front end kit from Engbldr (fast service and only $155!!).

Carefully replaced the timing chain, gears, tensioner, guides (new metal backed on the driver's side), timing chain cover, oil pump, and water pump. Had some difficulties removing the oil pan due to the truck being from the Northeast and the front suspension not cooperating.

Got it all back together and it started and ran!! Of course, I then noticed a leak from the oil pump. Through emails with Ted, I thought it might be due to not silicone sealing the top bolt on the oil pump so I did that. Still leaked.

Started the truck up and attempted to re-adjust the timing since it sounded off and it died and would not start again. Pulled oil pump and found kinked gasket. Installed new gasket and re-installed oil pump but it still won't start.

It would turn over and hiccup/backfire but would not start. I pulled the plugs and they smelled like gas (and were old). Cranked the motor without plugs. Sounds funny like something isn't working. New NGK plugs and same result.

I have spark, jumpered the fuel pump per 4crawlers instructions, and attempted to read code but I had already pulled the EFI plug in hopes of resetting the computer (didn't realize I shouldn't have done this). I get a continuous blinking check engine when I try to check the codes (I stopped counting at 140).

Any thoughts? What bugs me is that it was running and then just died and wouldn't start. Getting close to bringing it to a mechanic...which defeats the purpose of doing the timing chain myself. I know this has happened to others, lets hear some advice.

DeathCougar

iTrader: (23)

YOu have the dizzy a tooth off, or 180` out. Happens all the time.

Check and recheck your dizzy.

Remember, an engine needs 4 basic things: Air, Fuel, Spark, and Timing.

You are getting Air, fuel and spark, so that would lead you to timing!

bruzer1123

So, by having the dist off one tooth...that would allow it to run? How do you get it back one tooth (pull the valve cover gasket to see?). This was my first 22re major job and I was stoked that it ran-but I am no mechanic. Thanks for the advice.

DeathCougar

iTrader: (23)

yea, it could run albeit crappy

Set the timing to TDC on the compression stroke, then line the dizzy up pointing to the #1 spark plug wire in the cap. Then it will be right on time. Like i said, may take a time or two but it will go.

Where in WA are you located?

just a 22re

yeah sounds like you had it a tooth off and you moved it with out jumping the ecu and now it thinks its still were it was before in timing but its not cause you moved it jump the ecu(just like when you got codes) and have someone crank her when you spin it it should work out there

if your spining the dizzy and you get close to the end od the bolt hole then your off a tooth that way makes sence right?

bruzer1123

DeathCougar-located in Forks out on the Olympic Penninsula-too bad you aren't closer!!

just a 22RE-how do you jump the ECU? Same spot for the jumper as the codes or different?

Thanks guys. I was starting to go crazy. I will have to give it a shot tonight and see if I can get it to run again.

bruzer1123

So, I got some time this morning to dig into the problem. Pulled the valve cover off to make sure I was getting TDC and I noticed that the cam gear is missing a chunk from near the alignment pin! Not only that but the alignment pin from the cam is nowhere near the notch on the cam gear. What the hell did I do wrong?

bruzer1123

abecedarian

well, it looks like you need a new cam sprocket and have to re-set the pin in the distributor drive. as for what was done wrong... hard to say

DeathCougar

iTrader: (23)

Looks like you forced it on there, and it broke. Bad times

bruzer1123

abecedarian: could I re-use the cam gear that I took off? or would that be bad...

DeathCougar: no forcing went on during the install, everything went on smoothly. That is why I was a bit surprised...

abecedarian

it looks like the recess in the gear that the distributor drive sets in may be slightly elongated due to the breakage so I wouldn't recommend it- it'd play hell getting the distributor timed right. It also appears that the dist drive is not centered on the cam shaft and that may have caused the busted gear.
Can you take some pictures as you take things apart and post them?

And DC's comment about force is likely because of the breakage and the pin in the distributor drive appearing to be forced out the front from tightening it down... am I correct DC?

Bruzer1123- can you see the shiny part on the pin? That should've been inside the drive gear. You can tell from the oil staining that it once was.

superjoe83

is the cam sprocket installed on the cam properly? from that pic it looks like its not centered on the cam

and depending on how far it is out of time you may have some bent valves

bruzer1123

Thanks guys.

abecedarian-I was meaning re-using the cam gear that I took off originally (stock one). I will take pics as I go. When I installed it all, it felt right and looked good. This morning as I was taking it apart...I think that it was off 180 degrees. poop. Also I see the shiny pin...poop again.

superjoe-I sure hope I didn't bend any valves...that is way beyond me....as you can see!

Maybe I should have brought it too a pro...oops.

bruzer1123

This was the original stuff...


distributor cap alignment

abecedarian

I see no immediate harm in using the old cam gear. However I can't figure how you'd get the gear 180 out since it's keyed.

bruzer1123

new timing chain, guides, tensioner, gears, cover, water pump, and oil pump

bruzer1123

and this is what I discovered this morning...


blue indicates where chunk is missing, red is where the alignment hole is, yellow is where the pin sits...ouch

abecedarian

so the alignment pin on the cam is bent now too?
oh boy.

bruzer1123

ok-going outside to take more pics as I take it apart. I was thinking the timing was out 180 degrees, but I don't know...I am thinking I wasn't TDC when I started, but the alignment of the rotor has me confused. I am hosed I think...