2''-3'' lift??
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2''-3'' lift??
I would like to put a 2''-3'' lift on my extra cab 94 4x4. I found a few on ebay that are fairly inexpensive. (300ish) with shocks. Anyone have any luck with any of the following lifts? Also any pics/info on small lifts would be great. I would like to run a 32'' or 33'' tire with lift. Thanks! Below are the 3 I have stumbled across. I also have checked out toytec 2'' lift but they don't come with shocks and I am not sure which shocks the kit would need :/
#1....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/85-98-Toyota-IFS-Pickup-2-5-Front-Rear-AAL-Lift-Kit-w-Shocks-Diff-Drop-4WD/261087144644?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222008%26algo%3DSIC.MOTORS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20467%26meid%3D5423494517894592026%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D9138%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D270765147849&rt=nc
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/270765147849
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/280946893937
#1....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/85-98-Toyota-IFS-Pickup-2-5-Front-Rear-AAL-Lift-Kit-w-Shocks-Diff-Drop-4WD/261087144644?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222008%26algo%3DSIC.MOTORS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20467%26meid%3D5423494517894592026%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D9138%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D270765147849&rt=nc
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/270765147849
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/280946893937
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I bought #2 about 3 times now. Yeah that's right I said 3 times lol. I bought it for my 87 pickup, 93 pickup, and my 95 t100.
I ran 33" tires on the 87 and 93. The shocks are pretty good shocks. Rest the hardware is good quality too.
They also give you a little key chain item when you buy from them.
34/10.50r15 tires in this pic
I ran 33" tires on the 87 and 93. The shocks are pretty good shocks. Rest the hardware is good quality too.
They also give you a little key chain item when you buy from them.
34/10.50r15 tires in this pic
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Keep in mind that all of those advertisement say 2.5" of lift in the front. What none of those ads tell you is that the ball joint spacers are only 1.5" tall, therefore you net 1.5" of lift in the front. Where the other 1" of lift comes from is torsion bar cranking, which I and most others on here don't recommend doing with ball joint spacers for multiple reasons. Reasons I won't type out here because this has been beat to death thousands of times.
While I'm here, I'll post the kit that I used on my truck. It doesn't include anything for the rear or the shocks. All I did to lift the rear is make a set of lift shackles. For shocks, I found a set of cheap Skyjackers on ebay. It's easier to buy a whole kit like the three you posted above, but I found it cheaper to put my own together (college student budget).
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-IFS-Pickup-4Runner-2-5-Front-Lift-Kit-4WD-/270441652053?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A1993%7CMake%3AToyota&hash=item3ef7941f55&vxp=mtr
Note in the description that it says "These solid aluminum ball joint spacers add up to 2.5” of front lift with torsion bar adjustment".
All this being said, I would go with kit #1 or #3, just because they have the differential and sway bar drop brackets. The differential drop is the more important of the two, just because a lot of people remove the sway bar entirely to gain flex. It's well worth the extra $20 for the CV protection.
While I'm here, I'll post the kit that I used on my truck. It doesn't include anything for the rear or the shocks. All I did to lift the rear is make a set of lift shackles. For shocks, I found a set of cheap Skyjackers on ebay. It's easier to buy a whole kit like the three you posted above, but I found it cheaper to put my own together (college student budget).
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-IFS-Pickup-4Runner-2-5-Front-Lift-Kit-4WD-/270441652053?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A1993%7CMake%3AToyota&hash=item3ef7941f55&vxp=mtr
Note in the description that it says "These solid aluminum ball joint spacers add up to 2.5” of front lift with torsion bar adjustment".
All this being said, I would go with kit #1 or #3, just because they have the differential and sway bar drop brackets. The differential drop is the more important of the two, just because a lot of people remove the sway bar entirely to gain flex. It's well worth the extra $20 for the CV protection.
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Keep in mind that all of those advertisement say 2.5" of lift in the front. What none of those ads tell you is that the ball joint spacers are only 1.5" tall, therefore you net 1.5" of lift in the front. Where the other 1" of lift comes from is torsion bar cranking, which I and most others on here don't recommend doing with ball joint spacers for multiple reasons. Reasons I won't type out here because this has been beat to death thousands of times.
While I'm here, I'll post the kit that I used on my truck. It doesn't include anything for the rear or the shocks. All I did to lift the rear is make a set of lift shackles. For shocks, I found a set of cheap Skyjackers on ebay. It's easier to buy a whole kit like the three you posted above, but I found it cheaper to put my own together (college student budget).
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-IFS-P...941f55&vxp=mtr
Note in the description that it says "These solid aluminum ball joint spacers add up to 2.5” of front lift with torsion bar adjustment".
All this being said, I would go with kit #1 or #3, just because they have the differential and sway bar drop brackets. The differential drop is the more important of the two, just because a lot of people remove the sway bar entirely to gain flex. It's well worth the extra $20 for the CV protection.
While I'm here, I'll post the kit that I used on my truck. It doesn't include anything for the rear or the shocks. All I did to lift the rear is make a set of lift shackles. For shocks, I found a set of cheap Skyjackers on ebay. It's easier to buy a whole kit like the three you posted above, but I found it cheaper to put my own together (college student budget).
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-IFS-P...941f55&vxp=mtr
Note in the description that it says "These solid aluminum ball joint spacers add up to 2.5” of front lift with torsion bar adjustment".
All this being said, I would go with kit #1 or #3, just because they have the differential and sway bar drop brackets. The differential drop is the more important of the two, just because a lot of people remove the sway bar entirely to gain flex. It's well worth the extra $20 for the CV protection.
How much does this small of a lift affect horsepower/ drivability?
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I bought #2 about 3 times now. Yeah that's right I said 3 times lol. I bought it for my 87 pickup, 93 pickup, and my 95 t100.
I ran 33" tires on the 87 and 93. The shocks are pretty good shocks. Rest the hardware is good quality too.
They also give you a little key chain item when you buy from them.
34/10.50r15 tires in this pic
I ran 33" tires on the 87 and 93. The shocks are pretty good shocks. Rest the hardware is good quality too.
They also give you a little key chain item when you buy from them.
34/10.50r15 tires in this pic
How long have you had it? I have a 3.0 and was more worried about losing power. Any complaints?
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Here is the ride height of my 93 with about 2" lift:
1.5" BJ spacers, OME Dakar medium leafs, OME shocks, stock shackles, stock t-bars with slight crank. Measures 22.5" from center of F/R axles to bottom of fender lips. Tires are 33x12.5x15 Toyo's on 15x8-3.75" wheels.
Lift is JUST enough to clear the tires with some minor sheet metal modification in front (pinch weld area and bumper/valence).
Good luck!
1.5" BJ spacers, OME Dakar medium leafs, OME shocks, stock shackles, stock t-bars with slight crank. Measures 22.5" from center of F/R axles to bottom of fender lips. Tires are 33x12.5x15 Toyo's on 15x8-3.75" wheels.
Lift is JUST enough to clear the tires with some minor sheet metal modification in front (pinch weld area and bumper/valence).
Good luck!
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Here is the ride height of my 93 with about 2" lift:
1.5" BJ spacers, OME Dakar medium leafs, OME shocks, stock shackles, stock t-bars with slight crank. Measures 22.5" from center of F/R axles to bottom of fender lips. Tires are 33x12.5x15 Toyo's on 15x8-3.75" wheels.
Lift is JUST enough to clear the tires with some minor sheet metal modification in front (pinch weld area and bumper/valence).
Good luck!
1.5" BJ spacers, OME Dakar medium leafs, OME shocks, stock shackles, stock t-bars with slight crank. Measures 22.5" from center of F/R axles to bottom of fender lips. Tires are 33x12.5x15 Toyo's on 15x8-3.75" wheels.
Lift is JUST enough to clear the tires with some minor sheet metal modification in front (pinch weld area and bumper/valence).
Good luck!
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I don't see why it would change the horsepower as it's not an engine mod. Since the truck is lifted by an inch and a half, aerodynamics is decreased a bit, but I wouldn't worry about it. I've found that it doesn't make any difference in fuel economy or anything like that. Driveability should be about the same for the front if you get the truck aligned afterwards and as long as you don't mess with the torsion bars. However, the ball joint spacers do change the steering geometry in a way that adds more stress to the idler arm. For the rear, I'm not sure because the kits you posted all have add-a-leafs and I installed shackles. I'd imagine add-a-leafs would make the rear stiffer, but I can't vouch for that.
Basically, I've had my ball joint spacers installed for almost two years and about 98% of my driving is on road and I have yet to have an issue.
Basically, I've had my ball joint spacers installed for almost two years and about 98% of my driving is on road and I have yet to have an issue.
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OP - i looked at your truck in the other thread you started, looks like you have larger than 31" tires already? possibly 32s?
if you're adding the lift and larger tires at the same time, you'll likely notice a drop in MPG and power (depending on your gearing - 4.30?). probably only 1-2, but still might notice a change. I definitely noticed power drop and maybe 1+mpg once I put my heavy ass Toyo's on my truck. Perhaps with a lighter tire, or even a skinnier 33x10.5 BFG, there wouldn't be as much notice. Upgrading my exhaust kinda brought the power back, dunno if it changed my MPG. If you take off your camper you might notice a similar change. Dunno if I'd ditch the topper permanently, they're handy and yours has lots of head room!
The lift, I installed pre-33s. I didn't really notice much change in anything at the time. If you're going to lift your truck, you may think about replacing some items in the front end - like idler arm, tie rods, ball joints, etc. If they're the originals, you've got almost 300k on those parts, which have been accustomed to being at a certain angle all that time...now you're changing that angle if you lift it. Not saying they will fail, Toyota parts are built well, but it's just a lot of miles on moving parts - preventative maintenance and you get a trail spare at a minimum, 1) replace bushings in stock idler arm and if you can afford it get a brace, or 2) install a new beefier idler with the brass bushings (and brace) keep old for trail spare, or 3) cough up the coin for a Total Chaos idler.
For my lift, I'd say my truck rides significantly better after everything's been done. The leafs, shocks, and steering stabilizer probably made the biggest difference - as did removing my swaybar. That plus going through my front end with fresh parts, bearing repacking, etc - the truck drives very good. I've had the lift installed for maybe 5yrs (?) and with 33s added for 2yrs. If you search my name, you can find pics of my rig.
if you're adding the lift and larger tires at the same time, you'll likely notice a drop in MPG and power (depending on your gearing - 4.30?). probably only 1-2, but still might notice a change. I definitely noticed power drop and maybe 1+mpg once I put my heavy ass Toyo's on my truck. Perhaps with a lighter tire, or even a skinnier 33x10.5 BFG, there wouldn't be as much notice. Upgrading my exhaust kinda brought the power back, dunno if it changed my MPG. If you take off your camper you might notice a similar change. Dunno if I'd ditch the topper permanently, they're handy and yours has lots of head room!
The lift, I installed pre-33s. I didn't really notice much change in anything at the time. If you're going to lift your truck, you may think about replacing some items in the front end - like idler arm, tie rods, ball joints, etc. If they're the originals, you've got almost 300k on those parts, which have been accustomed to being at a certain angle all that time...now you're changing that angle if you lift it. Not saying they will fail, Toyota parts are built well, but it's just a lot of miles on moving parts - preventative maintenance and you get a trail spare at a minimum, 1) replace bushings in stock idler arm and if you can afford it get a brace, or 2) install a new beefier idler with the brass bushings (and brace) keep old for trail spare, or 3) cough up the coin for a Total Chaos idler.
For my lift, I'd say my truck rides significantly better after everything's been done. The leafs, shocks, and steering stabilizer probably made the biggest difference - as did removing my swaybar. That plus going through my front end with fresh parts, bearing repacking, etc - the truck drives very good. I've had the lift installed for maybe 5yrs (?) and with 33s added for 2yrs. If you search my name, you can find pics of my rig.
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yep I have 31x 10.5 x 15 mud rovers. I can prob squeeze a few more miles out of them. I think since the truck is new to me and I am coming to find out the guy who sold it to me "rebuilt" isn't looking to rebuilt. After a month or so of feeling the truck out I will prob get a bj spacer/leaf spring lift with 32s.
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