Hey all the 77 experts! R20 chinook wont crank after hot
So I have recently purchased a project . 1977 chinook camper 2wd . R20 engine. It was all original except for a new starter. The problem is after it's been running for awhile, it wont crank. Period. Lights come up on the dash ,but go dark when key is turned to start. Push it, and it'll pop instantly. Doesn't always happen, just in the worst times!
I'm fairly new to the whole mechanical world as well, which doesn't help when it comes to a problem like this. |
Sounds electrical. Bad battery, bad ground somewhere, bad starter. You said the starter is new but that doesn't mean it isn't already failing. Just enough energy to turn on dash lights but not enough to spin the starter over. Or the starter brushes aren't always contacting.
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Originally Posted by Punjab
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Sounds electrical. Bad battery, bad ground somewhere, bad starter. You said the starter is new but that doesn't mean it isn't already failing. Just enough energy to turn on dash lights but not enough to spin the starter over. Or the starter brushes aren't always contacting.
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Really the only things you can do are try jumping the starter with a screwdriver. It will always spin if it's working. But it could also spin it if it's going bad.
On one of these occasions when it won't crank, you can climb under and give it some taps with a hammer. This can knock enough crud loose or move the brushes a little and then it might contact and work. It's an old shade tree mechanic fix for getting home when stranded but if this does work then your starter is definitely going bad. Any Autozone or O'Reilly's will test your battery and alternator for you for free to make sure it's all charging properly and producing enough cranking amps. |
You need to add a starter relay.
Originally Posted by Punjab
(Post 52415165)
Really the only things you can do are try jumping the starter with a screwdriver.
(1) Tighten ALL connections to the battery. Absolutely ALL between batt and statter. (2) ADD battery negative to engine block ground (mid80s and later trucks have it) (3) Have battery tested (4) Last but not least, fix what Toyota did wrong at the factory, add a starter relay Here it is explained. https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f199...l#post52297396 The problem was not caused by the starter that's why after replacing the starter, the problem remained. Your new starter is most likely good, and so was your old starter |
Would be cool to see your Chinook. I used to own one.
Just so you sound like you know what you're talking about, it's a 20R. Says it right on the engine. Not sure why so many people reverse the order. :) |
Originally Posted by 83
(Post 52415276)
Would be cool to see your Chinook. I used to own one.
Just so you sound like you know what you're talking about, it's a 20R. Says it right on the engine. Not sure why so many people reverse the order. :) Here she is . 20R is correct ,I wasnt thinking clearly where composing the question. I think everyone got what I meant by it. I try better next time :help: |
That Chinook is sweet! :wrench:
I have always wanted one. I have always felt that the mid to late 1970s Chinooks were the perfect size camper. They were much more reasonable in size for the chassis and driveline than the large ones form the mid 1980s - early 1990s. For the cranking issue, I would do what RAD4Runner suggested. Many people have fixed similar issues following RAD4Runner's post. If you need help navigating through it, I bet he will be willing to answer your questions. Just be aware that wire colors will probably be different as Toyota loved to change up wire colors all the time. I am not sure if the Chinook wiring differs from factory Toyota wiring, as coach builders do alter stock systems to fit all of the camper add-ons. Just something else to be aware of. :safari: |
Originally Posted by RAD4Runner
(Post 52415184)
OP, you can try more things...
(1) Tighten ALL connections to the battery. Absolutely ALL between batt and statter. (2) ADD battery negative to engine block ground (mid80s and later trucks have it) (3) Have battery tested (4) Last but not least, fix what Toyota did wrong at the factory, add a starter relay Here it is explained. https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f199...l#post52297396 The problem was not caused by the starter that's why after replacing the starter, the problem remained. Your new starter is most likely good, and so was your old starter |
Originally Posted by old87yota
(Post 52415292)
That Chinook is sweet! :wrench:
I have always wanted one. I have always felt that the mid to late 1970s Chinooks were the perfect size camper. They were much more reasonable in size for the chassis and driveline than the large ones form the mid 1980s - early 1990s. For the cranking issue, I would do what RAD4Runner suggested. Many people have fixed similar issues following RAD4Runner's post. If you need help navigating through it, I bet he will be willing to answer your questions. Just be aware that wire colors will probably be different as Toyota loved to change up wire colors all the time. I am not sure if the Chinook wiring differs from factory Toyota wiring, as coach builders do alter stock systems to fit all of the camper add-ons. Just something else to be aware of. :safari: |
Surprised it survived in Pennsylvania!
For whatever reason, R20 is a really common mistake. Here's mine. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.yot...f1218b36d4.jpg |
Originally Posted by 83
(Post 52415302)
Surprised it survived in Pennsylvania!
For whatever reason, R20 is a really common mistake. Here's mine. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.yot...f1218b36d4.jpg I'm excited to move into it in April and head west. maybe we'll see each other someday ? Who knows happy travels. |
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.yot...70568b78c8.jpg
Day one ,demo! Check out my instagram, @livingontheesch for my progress so far. |
Could be! I sold mine to a guy in Idaho a few years ago and I moved into a camper trailer. I needed more space after spending most of a couple years in the Chinook.
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If you haven't solved the problem, you might consider opening up the distributor and checking that. I was having an issue with mine and it would run, get hot and just die. It would crank, but not start and I wasn't getting a spark. Ended up needing to rebuild my distributor.
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Originally Posted by Dzhezzi
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If you haven't solved the problem, you might consider opening up the distributor...
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Originally Posted by RAD4Runner
(Post 52415563)
Distributor does not affect cranking..
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Originally Posted by Dzhezzi
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Darn! You are right, I re-read the question and noticed it "won't crank", disregard what I said, ha.
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LOL!
add starter relay and block ground and ul be good to go :) |
Originally Posted by RAD4Runner
(Post 52415184)
OP, you can try more things...
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