4RocRunner92

Yes, thank you DudeBud. You guys are atomic at this ˟˟˟˟˟.

Cebby

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW

And your freshly rebuilt trans with bits from Dellows or Castelmann Automotive (both from Australia).

You can run an aftermarket ECU if doing a manual trans. You just need an AFM and Harness. Some custom brackets and maybe a relocated fan and call it a day.

4RocRunner92

Thanks Cebby.

kyle_22r

yeah, i'd compare a 302 ford to a 305 chevy, since they're similar in displacement. 305 should weigh about the same as a 350, same as a 283, 327, 400 etc. they're all small blocks. 351w is heavier than a 302(though it's still technically a smallblock) but still a lot lighter than a 350.

327, 331 and 347 strokers(302) are very cool, i'd get one made that has a lower compression height to do well on pump gas -- my boss has one with 13:1 compression in his '65 cyclone and needless to say it doesn't run well on pump gas.

NCSU-4runner

few more weeks on my truck and i'll let you come drive it. You'll forget all about a V8. I just have a small oil and coolant leak to tie up, and an exhaust to put on to be street legal again.

DudeBud

yeah a stroker 302 would be the ticket but a stroker 351w would be very nice too. what is your boss running for heads on his motor?

kyle_22r

not sure, they are iron though.

351 stroker comes in some very cool flavors, like 392(393?) and 427...

as for the 305, both that and the 350 met a "performance" end...the smog engine argument is pretty null in my view, if you can rebuild an engine, you can make even the maligned 351m and 400m ford engines into a good engine -- and no engine was considered more "smog" than those.

JD

Go the HO 5.0

HO 4Runner

mastacox

The caburetor on that engine would probably be too tall to fit, plus it would be better to go with a vortec for the fuel injection, just more reliable all around...

Plus, 430hp will probably cook your tranny

mastacox

You know what would be cool is a Northstar V-8 (w/o the DOD), might be kind of expensive but a potent powerplant and LIGHT (all aluminum).

I've always thought it would be a cool idea, maybe i'll do it in the future

kyle_22r

the northstar is indeed cool, but i think it's pretty wide? i know the shortstar(V6 version of the northstar V8) is popular with the ultra rich guys who build rock buggies.

dlbrunner

If you have spent a bunch of cash on the runner already go with the lexus v8. My next conceptual project has this motor in mind.

With the chev/ford swaps, you will probably get worse gas milage, and suffer with reliability vs. toyota (in general). If you don't feel you can do the swap yourself, I would be hesitant to undertake this, even a professionally installed v8 will have bugs to work out. If you are out on the trail that may not be the best place to work out those "bugs". Granted the "bugs" encountered from a professional will probably be less of a pain vs. unprofessional.
In retrospect, I did a sb350 and sm465 in an old FJ. It was the best and worst thing I did to the vehicle. A better option would have been a built 2f and H55 IMHO. The 350 was a hot rod for sure, but There were always issues, minor mostly, but PTA. As for off road performance, putting in the granny gear helped, the increase in HP was nice for long freeway uphills and Donner Summit, but overall, I should have stuck with the 6. The v8 drove so much different, not worse, just different and took a little getting used to.

Besides the welding, and driveshaft work, and exhaust, I did all the work myself and it was a gratifying. I was also able to diagnose and correct problems right away which was nice at 2AM in BFE.

You may also have to consider smog....

My suggestion for anyone who is doing the v8 would be to find a professional that would allow you unlimited access to be involved with the swap (I hope you have a mechanic buddy) or a professional that could be available to assist you. Also plan to take a few weeks off work, the first to do the majority of the work, the second to wrap up all the stuff you don't get done during the fist week, the details killed me.

Don't entirely trust the Advance Adapter instructions, I realize this is custom work and only a guide, but a few things were left out that really shouldn't have. Remember, measure 2x cut once.

Also, make sure you have a good work area, clean, organized and free of extraneous B.S. be religious about organization of tools and small parts, the reassembly will be so much less frustrating.

Do ALL the research first. Get the FSM for your truck, get the FSM for the vehicle the donor engine comes from, surf yotatech, ask questions, and lots of them.

Good luck!

4RocRunner92

Thanks, you guys have definately helped out!

DH6twinotter

Hey!
I've been considering a swap myself for a while now. I'm seriously looking into a turbo I6 (7mgte) from the Supra. They are suppose to handle 500hp with stock internals. I found a turbo I'd like to use that is suppose to put out 500 ft/lb of torque at 3500 rpms. Not sure if I can afford it right now, but just dreaming. My second choise would be a Lexus 4.0 V8 or a Toyota/Lexus 4.7. You can get the Lexus 4.0 on ebay cheap and, from what I've heard, they are suppose to be great engines. The newer versions have around 310hp I think. If I were to do an American engine, I would go with 350 (or a 383 stroker).

Just to clarify, the chevy 305 and 350 are identical in external size.


Well, have fun all.
Daniel

Randomness

I saw a Mk. II Volkswagen GTI with the Northstar V8 in it... Heaps of power, and he was still getting like 30+ mpg, because that engine has so much low end, and the GTI's so light...

That was pretty unrelated. Oh well

Ethan Elmer

Reasonings???

Ethan Elmer

I just bought a 1994 4runner and I was going to do a ford 302 swap on it, looking for all the ins and outs on trying to do a build like this one. Anything helps, also really trying to take the time and effort to make this thing beautiful and not a hunk of s$%#

Jomoka

Maybe there was some advantage to the 302 Ford 15 years ago? But these days, it's hard to argue against the LS engine family. Great motors, make great power, pretty reliable, cheap as hell and pretty much every junkyard will have multiples to choose from. Save money by getting a 4.8 or 5.3 version, hot rodders gotta have that 5.7 or 6.0 displacement, but a cam swap and some valve springs later and they all make pretty similar HP. If you're feeling sassy, spend a bit extra and get an alu-blocked version, the end result will (almost certainly, too lazy to look up some numbers) weigh less than the steel blocked 5VZ.

And you start off at 300 - 400 hp (depending on cam, heads, displacement). And you can get more than that easily. Performance parts are everywhere. Turbos, multiple kinds of superchargers including the factory LSA style that sits in the V and doesn't take up any extra room under the hood.

I've seen Advance adapters to hook the LS to the R150F (my '99 is a manual). If the 5vZ died (lololol not holding my breath) and I didn't just take a couple of days to swap another 5VZ in I'd be doing an LS swap.

I LS swapped my Volvo 240 station wagon. 6 spd manual trans (Nissan), turbo, about 550 hp in a 3100lb RWD car. It's a lot of fun. I don't think it added more than 100 lbs to the wagon - the iron blocked Volvo 4 cylinders are not lightweight engines.

JD

Wow, you dug up a 15 year old thread and I received an email after all that time as I had subscribed to it and commented at #48 which unfortunately is now an out of date url.

Ethan could I suggest you ask the mods to transfer your request etc to a new thread in the now correct forum, ie 86-95 Trucks and 4Runners.

Re your comment "build like this one" where is it ?

Oddly enough I still have my 347 4Runner which was the worlds first Gen 2 V8 swap which I did in early 1993 but I rarely use it nowadays.

JD
Western Australia

JD

For information, I just wiped the dust away as she just sits in the garage and took a few pics of the engine which is modified. The last dyno tune it had afr alloy heads and with a custom mpg cam it made 381rwhp but I then changed to ported Dart Iron Eagle heads which outflowed the afr's so its probably closer to 400rwhp now. Awesome to drive.